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Reply #255 - Jan 11th, 2017 at 12:50pm
 
Good op-ed on Meryl.

Meryl Streep's rant on Donald Trump was hateful and ignorant

    Mark Davis

In view of what follows, I should say that I disagree with Donald Trump about Meryl Streep being "overrated." From the Holocaust TV miniseries in 1978, through her 19 Oscar nominations and three wins, she has become, on film, a national treasure.

At Sunday night's Golden Globes microphone, not so much.
I could not care less about her politics or the views of all of the actors and musicians whose work I consume. But if they take a particular pleasure in spewing derisive venom at every American who shares my views, then, as the saying goes, silence is complicity.

Wait, you may say, her remarks were reserved only for Donald Trump. No sale. In a tirade as filled with malice and slander as her Globes speech, the message is clear: no decent human being could have voted for a monster such as she described.
But what she described was a work of fiction as craftily concocted as Ricki and the Flash or The Devil Wears Prada. Except in her case, the devil wears Brioni suits and red ties.

Let's review. After describing an impressive cross-section of actors of a variety of races and national origins, she cobbled together this gem: "If we kick them all out, you'll have nothing to watch but football and mixed martial arts, which are not the arts!"

Last time I checked, Donald Trump was not planning to deport any of the bejewelled millionaires in the crowd. This colossal straw man is as telling as the clumsy attack on two forms of entertainment that are currently a far bigger deal than she is.

This ham-handed outburst, a textbook example of why Hollywood is so widely reviled, showed how low the pop-culture left will go to demonise Americans who oppose their views.

In her characterisation of Trump as mocking a disabled reporter, she is merely presumptuous. Evidence abounds of the president-elect using the same gestures to refer to many people flustered in a variety of settings from Ted Cruz to Donna Brazile to himself.

But in describing that misunderstood moment as making "its intended audience laugh and show their teeth," which "sank a hook in my heart," she makes clear the object of her derision. It is you, if you were a Trump voter. It is me. It is 63 million people.

So how are we to react to such rank political bigotry, this obvious characterisation of our next president – and his voters – as racists, xenophobes and bullies?

We can cancel our plans to catch Florence Foster Jenkins, I suppose. Maybe it sparks the urge to tell all the actors to just shut up and make movies.

You'll never hear that from me. I want all of Hollywood to show us exactly who they are, what they think and whom they despise. First of all, it is their right. But it is also of great benefit. Clarity is always useful, no matter what we learn.

And there is much to learn from this latest in a long series of insults from the preening ranks of Hollywood privilege. On one level, perhaps it is worthy to note that a woman (and an entire room) that applauded child rapist Roman Polanski for a 2003 directorial Oscar does not have much of a foundation for lecturing other people about much of anything.

But a larger truth is that there is nothing about making movies or music or playing a sport or any other platform of fame that makes anyone's opinions any more worthy. Or any less. So from actresses to plumbers to doctors to burger flippers to columnists, let everyone speak freely, and be judged by what they actually say.

And no matter from whom it may have come, that Sunday night rant was a wave of hateful condescension that added to the spectacle of sore losers incapable of coping with a White House that will no longer be an echo chamber for their views.

Dallas Morning News.http://www.smh.com.au/comment/meryl-streeps-rant-on-donald-trump-was-hateful-and...
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Reply #256 - Jan 11th, 2017 at 12:57pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 12:50pm:
In her characterisation of Trump as mocking a disabled reporter, she is merely presumptuous.


No - she's telling the absolute truth.

He mocked a disabled man. Fact.

He's also admitted to sexually assaulting women, and he's been accused of raping, beating, and threatening children.

He doesn't pay tax, underpays workers, and has a long list of failed business ventures.

A worthless POS.  Nothing more.

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Reply #257 - Jan 11th, 2017 at 1:00pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 12:47pm:
lee wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 12:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 11:32am:
I'm glad you've finally admitted defeat.



Truncating responses, to give a false narrative,  is the admission of defeat.



"Many more voted for neither."

Nope.

8 million is less than 129 million.

Year 9 maths, innit?



Who's going to be Mr President in 10 days? That's the only thing that matters.
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Reply #258 - Jan 11th, 2017 at 1:04pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 1:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 12:47pm:
lee wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 12:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 11:32am:
I'm glad you've finally admitted defeat.



Truncating responses, to give a false narrative,  is the admission of defeat.



"Many more voted for neither."

Nope.

8 million is less than 129 million.

Year 9 maths, innit?



Who's going to be Mr President in 10 days? That's the only thing that matters.


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Reply #259 - Jan 11th, 2017 at 1:04pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 1:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 12:47pm:
lee wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 12:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 11:32am:
I'm glad you've finally admitted defeat.



Truncating responses, to give a false narrative,  is the admission of defeat.



"Many more voted for neither."

Nope.

8 million is less than 129 million.

Year 9 maths, innit?



Who's going to be Mr President in 10 days? That's the only thing that matters.


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Reply #261 - Jan 11th, 2017 at 1:24pm
 

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Reply #262 - Jan 11th, 2017 at 1:54pm
 
Sorry, but no, the Clinton Syndicate didn't wood anyone's arse in the popular vote.  She actually had less votes than Obsma did in 2012, despite a larger voter pool.
From the Atlantic:
As of Thursday, ballot counts collected by the Atlas of U.S. Presidential Elections show Clinton received fewer votes than Obama did in 87 percent of U.S. counties
Without a few counties in New York and California, Trump won most of the country.  There are 3,141 counties in the United States.  Like him or not, Trump won 3,084 of them.
People just hated Clinton more than they hated Trump.
And then there is this...

[i]There were officially 14 voter fraud cases this year, 60,000 felons in Virginia being pardoned in time to vote, more than 1,000 illegal voters on the rolls in three Virginia counties and the troubling statistic of California's L.A. County as the repository for the most provisional ballots—40%—cast in the country.

The Election Integrity Project tells Independent Journal Review that 'voter impersonation' is easy and happens all the time.

Now, retired ICE special agent Claude Arnold has the answer to the question of whether illegal aliens vote in elections.

He told Fox News's Bill O'Reilly that he's worked in six states, arrested at least 1,000 illegal immigrants during his career and found that most of them had voter registration cards. He claimed that about 10% of them actually voted.

Arnold told O'Reilly:

“I routinely encountered people with voter registration cards. And as a part of my interview with them when they're arrested, I would ask them do you or have you voted? And often I would get the answer yes. So, that's not just anecdotal there are probably close to 100 people that did that in my career.”

The 'Motor Voter' law requires that all people receiving driver's licenses be offered voter registration cards. After 9/11, some states stopped giving licenses to illegal immigrants, though most have now reverted back to giving them out.[/id]



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Reply #263 - Jan 11th, 2017 at 1:59pm
 
AuntieM wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 1:54pm:
Sorry, but no, the Clinton Syndicate didn't wood anyone's arse in the popular vote. 


Yes, it most certainly did.

Clinton receive almost 3 million more votes than Trump.

She won it, easy.



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Reply #264 - Jan 11th, 2017 at 2:33pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 11:32am:
lee wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 11:31am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 11:26am:
Don't bring the non-voters into this.



Thank you .



You're welcome.

I'm glad you've finally admitted defeat.

The main thing to remember is, Clinton whooped his arse in the popular vote.

1st place: Clinton

2nd place: Trump

3rd place: Johnson



The main thing to remember that clinton is not the president elect; even in Australia you can win the popular vote and not get into power. Just look at the tuckshop lady in QLD came in a very poor second in the vote and yet there she in handing out the sammies from the premiers chair. The popular vote is nothing in the world of politics.

Trump won, you and clinton lost; leave this site immediately.

Trump = president elect

Clinton = has been loser

Johnson = never was loser

Greggy = sad pathetic loser

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Reply #265 - Jan 11th, 2017 at 2:55pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 11:14am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 7:31am:
lee wrote on Jan 10th, 2017 at 10:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 10th, 2017 at 8:45pm:
Incorrect.

Your statement limits the group to only those who voted.



No. The voter pool is those eligible to vote.


Incorrect.

Your statement limited it to only those who voted.

"voted for"  No ambiguity whatsoever.

In which case, approx. 8 million voted for neither (i.e. the other candidates).

Thus, you were wrong.




So, according to you, those voters who don't actively participate (write down their intentions) are non-voters whose non-votes are ignored.

Yet

According to you those who don't actively participate (write down their intentions), in disavowing Trump are non-voters whose non-votes (participation) are included as Trump supporters.

It seems your your stance depends on which barrow you are pushing. Wink



I think the problem is a simple one. You are trying to include non-voters in a discussion about voters. To do so is beyond absurd.
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Reply #266 - Jan 11th, 2017 at 2:55pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 1:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 12:47pm:
lee wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 12:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 11:32am:
I'm glad you've finally admitted defeat.



Truncating responses, to give a false narrative,  is the admission of defeat.



"Many more voted for neither."

Nope.

8 million is less than 129 million.

Year 9 maths, innit?



Who's going to be Mr President in 10 days? That's the only thing that matters.



If you read today's report, the next President with be Vladimir Putin.
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Reply #267 - Jan 11th, 2017 at 2:57pm
 
AuntieM wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 1:54pm:
Sorry, but no, the Clinton Syndicate didn't wood anyone's arse in the popular vote.  She actually had less votes than Obsma did in 2012, despite a larger voter pool.
From the Atlantic:
As of Thursday, ballot counts collected by the Atlas of U.S. Presidential Elections show Clinton received fewer votes than Obama did in 87 percent of U.S. counties
Without a few counties in New York and California, Trump won most of the country.  There are 3,141 counties in the United States.  Like him or not, Trump won 3,084 of them.
People just hated Clinton more than they hated Trump.
And then there is this...

[i]There were officially 14 voter fraud cases this year, 60,000 felons in Virginia being pardoned in time to vote, more than 1,000 illegal voters on the rolls in three Virginia counties and the troubling statistic of California's L.A. County as the repository for the most provisional ballots—40%—cast in the country.

The Election Integrity Project tells Independent Journal Review that 'voter impersonation' is easy and happens all the time.

Now, retired ICE special agent Claude Arnold has the answer to the question of whether illegal aliens vote in elections.

He told Fox News's Bill O'Reilly that he's worked in six states, arrested at least 1,000 illegal immigrants during his career and found that most of them had voter registration cards. He claimed that about 10% of them actually voted.

Arnold told O'Reilly:

“I routinely encountered people with voter registration cards. And as a part of my interview with them when they're arrested, I would ask them do you or have you voted? And often I would get the answer yes. So, that's not just anecdotal there are probably close to 100 people that did that in my career.”

The 'Motor Voter' law requires that all people receiving driver's licenses be offered voter registration cards. After 9/11, some states stopped giving licenses to illegal immigrants, though most have now reverted back to giving them out.[/id]






You cant seriously believe that a person who lost the popular vote by a huge amount still managed to win almost all of the counties? I know Trump supporters are bozos, but surely that must stretch credulity even for you.
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Reply #268 - Jan 11th, 2017 at 3:14pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 2:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 11:32am:
lee wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 11:31am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 11:26am:
Don't bring the non-voters into this.



Thank you .



You're welcome.

I'm glad you've finally admitted defeat.

The main thing to remember is, Clinton whooped his arse in the popular vote.

1st place: Clinton

2nd place: Trump

3rd place: Johnson



The main thing to remember that clinton is not the president elect; even in Australia you can win the popular vote and not get into power.



Correct.

However, Clinton won the popular vote ... comfortably.

Just as I predicted, all along.

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Reply #269 - Jan 11th, 2017 at 3:15pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 2:55pm:
lee wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 11:14am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 7:31am:
lee wrote on Jan 10th, 2017 at 10:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 10th, 2017 at 8:45pm:
Incorrect.

Your statement limits the group to only those who voted.



No. The voter pool is those eligible to vote.


Incorrect.

Your statement limited it to only those who voted.

"voted for"  No ambiguity whatsoever.

In which case, approx. 8 million voted for neither (i.e. the other candidates).

Thus, you were wrong.




So, according to you, those voters who don't actively participate (write down their intentions) are non-voters whose non-votes are ignored.

Yet

According to you those who don't actively participate (write down their intentions), in disavowing Trump are non-voters whose non-votes (participation) are included as Trump supporters.

It seems your your stance depends on which barrow you are pushing. Wink



I think the problem is a simple one. You are trying to include non-voters in a discussion about voters. To do so is beyond absurd.



You sir, are 100% correct.

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