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Reply #30 - Jan 10^th, 2017 at 7:14am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 10^th, 2017 at 6:41am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 10^th, 2017 at 6:00am:

Have some compassion - it's a genuine case:

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he has been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder and bipolar disorder ....

Give me a break!

This snowflake has turned a bad situation into a life-long excuse to avoid carrying his own weight. He's turned his story into a Victimhood Industry money-earner as a professional drama queen.

Countless men have returned from combat situations where they've heard and a lot worse than a girlfriend being forced to have involuntary intercourse with some strangers.

Yes. Countless men have returned from wars having experienced a lot worse. And some of them have gone on to do well. My father did, luckily. And some of them are never quite as well as they were before. And some of them end up killing themselves.

This guy was a young man sitting in his girlfriend's family's home, watching TV, and he was victimized. He didn't have the benefit of 13 weeks of basic training and weapons training and the mental preparation for what was going to happen. As it turned out, she went on to survive better than he did. Obviously she was stronger.

Some of us have stronger survival skills than others. I'm not saying that this man represents a successful survivor of his experience. He's weak.

The difference between us is you seem to hate him for being weak, and I just find him sad.

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Reply #32 - Jan 10^th, 2017 at 7:22am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 10^th, 2017 at 6:45am:

AuntieM wrote on Jan 10^th, 2017 at 4:19am:

mothra wrote on Jan 9^th, 2017 at 12:00pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 9^th, 2017 at 10:15am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 3:29pm:

I have had things worse than this guy.

It was Sex Without Consent in which for a very few brief moments her freedom to chose was denied her.

Until recent times this was the common experience of women everywhere due to raiding parties, wars, the Vikings and the Danes, slavery, harems, inter-tribal fighting, mixed jails, initiation rites, and then sharing your wife as an act of hospitality in some societies, etc.

It's only in very recent times that sex-without-permission has been elevated to being a hanging offence.

In fact, I once saw a news item in which a lofty British judge, all dressed up in his finery, told his audience that there can be no such thing as 'rape within marriage' - and that he would dismiss any such charges against a husband brought before him for judgment.

So let's get some perspective here, UnSubRocky.

There are a hell of a lot more 'worse things' that can happen to a woman than that somebody has uninvited sex with the same sex organ as she will use voluntarily for over 50 years of her adult life.

Being caned for 7 years as a captive child in a boarding school is to my reckoning astronomically worse than a brief encounter with a male who uses a woman's vagina in exactly the same way as her lover does.

Perspective, ladies and gentlemen.

Just thought that Herbie's sentiments in full bore repeating.

I can't read that without wanting to vomit. Excuse me.

I do excuse you. It's 'confronting' isn't it?

Did you also want to vomit while reading all those reports of priests buggering small boys?

No?

I didn't think so.

again Herb.
priests buggering boys is "bad stuff".
but if you identify with the "bad stuff"
if you have counsellors make you lie on a couch and talk about the "bad stuff"
if you sit there glued to the reports from the royal commision on the "bad stuff", then you are building connections in your brain that are totally focused on the "bad stuff" and your brain will just replay it over and over.
People need to understand the power of positive thinking and the power of negative thinking and they need to understand that emotional states are very very addictive and the brain WANTS to keep going back to them.

Its tough to be buggered by a priest and then just put it behind you and power on to have an awesome life.

But if you join victims groups, think about your pain all day and dont follow the very well understood processes that lead to success in life then YOU will have a sh*t life.

They love to poo poo my self help advice.
If i said that people who have been thru trauma should do 20 minutes of gratitude meditation every day and think about all the positive things in their life, i will undoubtedly get the usual haters posting pics of a horse taking a dump.

but do the leftie haters and do-gooders actually help improve lives?
Or are they just using people in pain as pawns to build careers and pay off their mortgages. i feel the whole victimhood industry is simply a scam

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Reply #34 - Jan 10^th, 2017 at 7:27am

AuntieM wrote on Jan 10^th, 2017 at 4:19am:

mothra wrote on Jan 9^th, 2017 at 12:00pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 9^th, 2017 at 10:15am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 3:29pm:

I have had things worse than this guy.

It was Sex Without Consent in which for a very few brief moments her freedom to chose was denied her.

Until recent times this was the common experience of women everywhere due to raiding parties, wars, the Vikings and the Danes, slavery, harems, inter-tribal fighting, mixed jails, initiation rites, and then sharing your wife as an act of hospitality in some societies, etc.

It's only in very recent times that sex-without-permission has been elevated to being a hanging offence.

In fact, I once saw a news item in which a lofty British judge, all dressed up in his finery, told his audience that there can be no such thing as 'rape within marriage' - and that he would dismiss any such charges against a husband brought before him for judgment.

So let's get some perspective here, UnSubRocky.

There are a hell of a lot more 'worse things' that can happen to a woman than that somebody has uninvited sex with the same sex organ as she will use voluntarily for over 50 years of her adult life.

Being caned for 7 years as a captive child in a boarding school is to my reckoning astronomically worse than a brief encounter with a male who uses a woman's vagina in exactly the same way as her lover does.

Perspective, ladies and gentlemen.

Just thought that Herbie's sentiments in full bore repeating.

I can't read that without wanting to vomit. Excuse me.

It's not you requiring excusing AuntieM.

It is Herbert. But, alas, he's too busy trolling.

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Reply #35 - Jan 10^th, 2017 at 7:35am

AuntieM wrote on Jan 10^th, 2017 at 4:17am:

I gather he and her father were both beaten very badly, as well. However, I agree. I believe enduring something on your own, as horrible as it is, is not nearly as difficult as being unable to save someone you love.

As awful as it was, I don't for a moment believe this young fellow was so shattered and psychologically damaged as to be unfit for any kind of work for a whole 12 years afterwards. And it was only his girlfriend : Not his mother, sister, or daughter.

At age 12 my mother stood on the deck of a ship waving to her parents on the wharf below, and then witnessed them both being killed before her eyes.

Thereafter nobody gave her a special dispensation to live off other people's earnings as a victim of the School of Hard Knocks.

That's not how it worked in those days. It was a case of 'stiff upper-lip' and you hauled yourself out of self-pity and 'Tallyhoo!' - off you went to meet your future in the best way you could. The last thing you did was flop back into the foetal position and ask society to fund your indolent lifestyle.

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Reply #36 - Jan 10^th, 2017 at 7:41am

AuntieM wrote on Jan 10^th, 2017 at 7:08am:

Well, then you just proved yourself as a wrong-thinker again, I guess.

I'm experimenting with ideas here, AunieM, to see where it leads us. What I've been saying is not set in concrete. Stay flexible and don't be afraid to venture outside the square on experimental forays into the Twilight Zone.

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Reply #37 - Jan 10^th, 2017 at 7:46am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 9^th, 2017 at 10:15am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 3:29pm:

I have had things worse than this guy.

It was Sex Without Consent in which for a very few brief moments her freedom to chose was denied her.

Until recent times this was the common experience of women everywhere due to raiding parties, wars, the Vikings and the Danes, slavery, harems, inter-tribal fighting, mixed jails, initiation rites, and then sharing your wife as an act of hospitality in some societies, etc.

It's only in very recent times that sex-without-permission has been elevated to being a hanging offence.

In fact, I once saw a news item in which a lofty British judge, all dressed up in his finery, told his audience that there can be no such thing as 'rape within marriage' - and that he would dismiss any such charges against a husband brought before him for judgment.

So let's get some perspective here, UnSubRocky.

There are a hell of a lot more 'worse things' that can happen to a woman than that somebody has uninvited sex with the same sex organ as she will use voluntarily for over 50 years of her adult life.

Being caned for 7 years as a captive child in a boarding school is to my reckoning astronomically worse than a brief encounter with a male who uses a woman's vagina in exactly the same way as her lover does.

Perspective, ladies and gentlemen.

A reminder.

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Reply #38 - Jan 10^th, 2017 at 7:49am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 10^th, 2017 at 7:35am:

AuntieM wrote on Jan 10^th, 2017 at 4:17am:

I gather he and her father were both beaten very badly, as well. However, I agree. I believe enduring something on your own, as horrible as it is, is not nearly as difficult as being unable to save someone you love.

As awful as it was, I don't for a moment believe this young fellow was so shattered and psychologically damaged as to be unfit for any kind of work for a whole 12 years afterwards. And it was only his girlfriend : Not his mother, sister, or daughter.

At age 12 my mother stood on the deck of a ship waving to her parents on the wharf below, and then witnessed them both being killed before her eyes.

Thereafter nobody gave her a special dispensation to live off other people's earnings as a victim of the School of Hard Knocks.

That's not how it worked in those days. It was a case of 'stiff upper-lip' and you hauled yourself out of self-pity and 'Tallyhoo!' - off you went to meet your future in the best way you could. The last thing you did was flop back into the foetal position and ask society to fund your indolent lifestyle.

I'm sorry your mother went through that. My mother-in-law watched her brothers thrown into a well when the Nazis decided their village was aiding the resistance. She survived, as well. I imagine some who weren't as strong, simply gave up and died.

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Reply #39 - Jan 10^th, 2017 at 8:06am

AuntieM wrote on Jan 10^th, 2017 at 7:14am:

This guy was a young man sitting in his girlfriend's family's home, watching TV, and he was victimized. He didn't have the benefit of 13 weeks of basic training and weapons training and the mental preparation for what was going to happen.

This is the Achilles Heel of your post. It's where reality ends and fantasy begins. There is no preparation for combat experience except combat experience itself.

AuntieM wrote on Jan 10^th, 2017 at 7:14am:

Some of us have stronger survival skills than others. I'm not saying that this man represents a successful survivor of his experience. He's weak.

Rather than him being 'weak', I think it's more the case of it being the times we live in, and how The Nanny State and its myriad professional handmaidens have created a comfortable niche for people like him to claim Victimhood from at others expense ... year after year after year.

And what does it say about all those 'professional' medicos such as psychologists and psychiatrists who given a full 12 years have still not yet been able to shift him into even the easiest and least demanding of jobs? Taxi driver, etc. What it says is that the mental health 'professionals' are even more inept and pathetic than their patients.

AuntieM wrote on Jan 10^th, 2017 at 7:14am:

The difference between us is you seem to hate him for being weak, and I just find him sad.

What I 'hate' is when The Nanny State acts as apologist for people like this - and our Aborigines - to the extent that it deprives them of a real life if only they could be weaned off the government's teat.

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Reply #41 - Jan 10^th, 2017 at 8:12am

Ah, well when you're talking about whole groups of people, you're talking about failed social engineering.
Here in the US, black families have been destroyed by 40-50 years of Federal government policies that have demoralized black men as fathers and husbands, marginalized the importance of parents on their children, and created a hostile environment for black Americans.
The economist Thomas Sowell has written very well -- and at great length -- on this subject.
"Dismantling America" is a particularly good -- and chilling -- essay.

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Reply #42 - Jan 10^th, 2017 at 8:13am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 10^th, 2017 at 8:06am:

AuntieM wrote on Jan 10^th, 2017 at 7:14am:

This guy was a young man sitting in his girlfriend's family's home, watching TV, and he was victimized. He didn't have the benefit of 13 weeks of basic training and weapons training and the mental preparation for what was going to happen.

This is the Achilles Heel of your post. It's where reality ends and fantasy begins. There is no preparation for combat experience except combat experience itself.

AuntieM wrote on Jan 10^th, 2017 at 7:14am:

Some of us have stronger survival skills than others. I'm not saying that this man represents a successful survivor of his experience. He's weak.

Rather than him being 'weak', I think it's more the case of it being the times we live in, and how The Nanny State and its myriad professional handmaidens have created a comfortable niche for people like him to claim Victimhood from at others expense ... year after year after year.

And what does it say about all those 'professional' medicos such as psychologists and psychiatrists who given a full 12 years have still not yet been able to shift him into even the easiest and least demanding of jobs? Taxi driver, etc. What it says is that the mental health 'professionals' are even more inept and pathetic than their patients.

AuntieM wrote on Jan 10^th, 2017 at 7:14am:

The difference between us is you seem to hate him for being weak, and I just find him sad.

What I 'hate' is when The Nanny State acts as apologist for people like this - and our Aborigines - to the extent that it deprives them of a real life if only they could be weaned off the government's teat.

Yes. Herbert really said all of that.

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Reply #43 - Jan 10^th, 2017 at 8:15am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 9^th, 2017 at 10:15am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 3:29pm:

I have had things worse than this guy.

It was Sex Without Consent in which for a very few brief moments her freedom to chose was denied her.

Until recent times this was the common experience of women everywhere due to raiding parties, wars, the Vikings and the Danes, slavery, harems, inter-tribal fighting, mixed jails, initiation rites, and then sharing your wife as an act of hospitality in some societies, etc.

It's only in very recent times that sex-without-permission has been elevated to being a hanging offence.

In fact, I once saw a news item in which a lofty British judge, all dressed up in his finery, told his audience that there can be no such thing as 'rape within marriage' - and that he would dismiss any such charges against a husband brought before him for judgment.

So let's get some perspective here, UnSubRocky.

There are a hell of a lot more 'worse things' that can happen to a woman than that somebody has uninvited sex with the same sex organ as she will use voluntarily for over 50 years of her adult life.

Being caned for 7 years as a captive child in a boarding school is to my reckoning astronomically worse than a brief encounter with a male who uses a woman's vagina in exactly the same way as her lover does.

Perspective, ladies and gentlemen.

Rape has been raised to nearly the worst status of crime by men.

Men have a biological imperative to prevent other men from impregnating their women, so when bigger uglier hairier men from the other valley take a woman by force it's something.

The fear of women being raped is still a clarion call for war.

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AuntieM Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 444 Gender:	Re: Whoaa! - Hold it right THERE, Bucko! Reply #44 - Jan 10^th, 2017 at 8:17am Indeed, Gordon, rape of a community's women is used as an act of war, isn't it? Just look at what Daesh and Boko Haram have been doing...demoralizing cultural groups by raping, enslaving and mutilating their women.
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