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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal
Reply #75 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 12:07pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 11:34am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 11:06am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 8:41am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 8:39am:

What about Jobs & Growth?

takes more than a 3 word phrase to create jobs ... turdball hasn't a clue how to go about it.

Turnbull hasn't got a clue what to do.

Not true - he knows exactly what he will do.

He's going to crush the unemployed

using them as scapegoats for the mess he's created.

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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal Reply #76 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 12:33pm Centrelink’s debt recovery failures referred to auditor general by Labor This scandal is getting worse and worse for the government.
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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal -> Gov't Agent
Reply #77 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 12:37pm

BEWARE PLEASE:
As similarly Dun and Bradstreet is doing the same with method of speculative invoicing sent to Australian Businesses - - with the most aggressive letters DEMANDING payment of a non-existent legal debts acting for Getty Images, for supposed copyright infringement And, a recent federal court case says this is deceptive and misleading plus unconscionable conduct under the Australian Consumer Law Act. Sections 18 , 21, and other laws. Search "Dallas Buyers Club " at austlii for reported cases

The same applies to this CentreLink issue in the media as of January 2017

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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal
Reply #78 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 12:40pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 11:33am:

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“The complaint rate is running at 0.16 per cent ... only 276 complaints out of 169,000 letters and that process has raised $300 million worth of money back to the taxpayer,” he told ABC Radio on Tuesday.

The federal government is looking to claw back $4 billion in overpayments. Mr Porter characterised the letters as polite.

Porter is a clown if he thinks he's doing a good job. The voters in his seat will let him know otherwise at the next election. He holds the Division of Pearce (WA) by a margin of 3.5% and the Liberals are strongly on the nose in WA at the moment. He's committing electoral suicide with his gross incompetence.

He's going by the complaint rate? Really? He's being wilfully misleading. Not everyone goes to the trouble of making a formal complaint. A more accurate figure is that 20% of people who received this nasty mail over the Christmas people will not be paying anything, and a much higher percentage (actual figures unknown at this stage) will have their "debt" reduced.

Porter is going to have a very difficult year.

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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal
Reply #79 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 12:53pm

Bam wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 12:40pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 11:33am:

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“The complaint rate is running at 0.16 per cent ... only 276 complaints out of 169,000 letters and that process has raised $300 million worth of money back to the taxpayer,” he told ABC Radio on Tuesday.

The federal government is looking to claw back $4 billion in overpayments. Mr Porter characterised the letters as polite.

Porter is a clown if he thinks he's doing a good job. The voters in his seat will let him know otherwise at the next election. He holds the Division of Pearce (WA) by a margin of 3.5% and the Liberals are strongly on the nose in WA at the moment. He's committing electoral suicide with his gross incompetence.

He's going by the complaint rate? Really? He's being wilfully misleading. Not everyone goes to the trouble of making a formal complaint. A more accurate figure is that 20% of people who received this nasty mail over the Christmas people will not be paying anything, and a much higher percentage (actual figures unknown at this stage) will have their "debt" reduced.

Porter is going to have a very difficult year.

It's a screw-up like only Centerlink could create. The core problem is that it is AUTOMATED rather than being a system that flags a PROBABLE debt for a person to follow up on.

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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal Reply #80 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 1:03pm You knew it was going to be a balls up as soon as Libs touched it
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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 88789 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal Reply #81 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 1:03pm Quite true, longie - such a system should throw up a 'probable' not an immediately actionable, cast-iron 'debt'. Obviously there are insufficient staff to actually handle the system.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 50411 Gender:	Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal Reply #82 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 1:03pm Pollies take the responsibility, a concept foreign to the current bunch of clowns.
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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal
Reply #83 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 1:07pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 1:03pm:

Quite true, longie - such a system should throw up a 'probable' not an immediately actionable, cast-iron 'debt'. Obviously there are insufficient staff to actually handle the system.

exactly. And that has been a perennial problem. If centrelink routinely has phone queues of two hours then clearly they are woefully understaff. and it is a bipartisan problem. One of Rudds first actions was to sack 2000 centrelink staff. Hasnt that worked out well??

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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal Reply #84 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 1:17pm Now even News Limited - no friends of the unemployed - are saying Centrelink's system has problems and for the government to admit it.
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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5865 Gender:	Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal Reply #85 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 3:28pm Although the automated system is a problem, the majority of those complaining are thieves who have been caught out. They are using the errors in the system to claim a victim status they do not deserve.
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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal
Reply #86 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 4:02pm

Belgarion wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

Although the automated system is a problem, the majority of those complaining are thieves who have been caught out. They are using the errors in the system to claim a victim status they do not deserve.

That isn't true, and you've got no evidence to prove this.

If you read this thread, you'll find many examples where "debts" have been calculated by Centrelink incorrectly, in direct violation of social security law and the Department's own guidelines. Because it has broken the law and misled people, Centrelink isn't likely to prevail if it's sued in a class action lawsuit.

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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal
Reply #87 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 4:13pm

Belgarion wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

Although the automated system is a problem, the majority of those complaining are thieves who have been caught out. They are using the errors in the system to claim a victim status they do not deserve.

bullshit they are thieves ... the majority most likely made honest mistakes. The only thieves are the politicians.

WHy doesn't the govt. put this much effort into stopping politicians from rorting taxpayers with dodgy claims?

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal
Reply #88 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 4:24pm

Bam wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 4:02pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

Although the automated system is a problem, the majority of those complaining are thieves who have been caught out. They are using the errors in the system to claim a victim status they do not deserve.

That isn't true, and you've got no evidence to prove this.

If you read this thread, you'll find many examples where "debts" have been calculated by Centrelink incorrectly, in direct violation of social security law and the Department's own guidelines. Because it has broken the law and misled people, Centrelink isn't likely to prevail if it's sued in a class action lawsuit.

You overstep the mark. It is true that Centrelink has stuffed up in a number of cases, but that is not ILLEGAl and no lawsuit would ever work.

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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal
Reply #89 - Jan 6^th, 2017 at 4:25pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 4:13pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

Although the automated system is a problem, the majority of those complaining are thieves who have been caught out. They are using the errors in the system to claim a victim status they do not deserve.

bullshit they are thieves ... the majority most likely made honest mistakes. The only thieves are the politicians.

WHy doesn't the govt. put this much effort into stopping politicians from rorting taxpayers with dodgy claims?

They've gotten hundreds of millions back in over-payments already. The problem is that the system over-reaches and does not effectively and accurately calculate people working for PART of a year.

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