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Reply #60 - Jan 5th, 2017 at 9:47pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 5th, 2017 at 8:52pm:
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The Centrelink Twitter Account Is Now Referring People To Lifeline

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As current and former welfare recipients continue to grapple with the latest Centrelink fiasco, the agency has taken to tweeting out the phone number to Lifeline Crisis Support and Suicide Prevention.

The Centrelink twitter account shared the Lifeline phone number yesterday while communicating with a user who said he was struggling to find work, and was at risk of being hit with a debt notice due to an error in communication between Centrelink and his university


http://junkee.com/centrelink-twitter-account-now-referring-people-lifeline/93041

If any organisation feels the need to refer people to Lifeline as a result of the organisation's own actions, that is a tacit admission that they know they are causing harm. They will have an interesting time in the inevitable Royal Commission.
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Reply #61 - Jan 5th, 2017 at 10:48pm
 
You know it's a scandal when even the MSM are calling it one.

Centrelink debt letter scandal worsens
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Centrelink is threatening dozens of Australians with bad credit ratings and legal action if they refuse to sign up to payment plans to repay thousands of dollars in questionable debt.

The government agency has been under fire in recent days amid claims hundreds of Australians have been issued sizable debt notices they dispute.

More than 60 people contacted nine.com.au today claiming they were being hounded by Centrelink. Many shared horror stories of being "pressured" and left "scared" after receiving letters and SMSs demanding money.

Amounts of “debt” sought by Centrelink ranged from $800 to upwards of $25,000 – a combined total of more than $200,000 among those who contacted nine.com.au.

Many who queried the repayment demands were told by Centrelink they would have to sign up to a payment plan even if their claim was under review, in the hope of a refund at a later time.

One individual who said he contacted Centrelink to ask for a review of his claim alleges he was threatened with a "black mark against his name" if he didn't pay up.

"I was advised by the Centrelink debt recovery team that if I don't set up a payment scheme it will go to debt collectors … and I won't be able to get a home loan because of it," he said.

"This has forced me to set up a debt recovery payment to Centrelink as that is the last thing I need. I have been told that they are so inundated that it could be up to a month or more until someone qualified is able to look at my case through the review process."

A single mum, who was sent a debt letter for more than $2000 in mid-December and told she has to pay the amount in full by mid-January, has signed up for the payment plan as she feels she has no other choice.

A former TAFE student who is challenging his claim said debt collecting company The Probe Group pressed him on whether he would pay. Probe gave him two weeks before they would send his case back to Centrelink.

He claims he was told if this was to happen, Centrelink "may take me to court for the debt, or garnish my wages until it is paid off".

“I agreed to nothing until the debt was proven. So I have two weeks to respond before they send it back to Centrelink who may take me to court for the debt.”

A mother of a young son, who was slugged with owing $5400 from Youth Allowance he claimed back in 2014, claims she was told she could appeal if she provided the evidence of her son's previous work group certificates by January 7.

In response to direct questions on the allegations levelled against Centrelink, representatives of the government agency provided nine.com.au with a written statement.

It said Centrelink was "confident in the online compliance system, and associated checking process that we go through with recipients".

"The online compliance intervention system doesn’t automate debt recovery – it is a system which automates part of the standard compliance review process. While the new online compliance system automates part of this process, it does not change how income is assessed or how debts are calculated - it is an easy way to confirm details and resolve any outstanding matters.

"When data differences are detected, the system generates a letter (this is not a debt letter) advising people of the difference and asking them to either confirm or update their details online using myGov. These are not debt letters and at this stage of the process no debt has been raised."

The statement continued by saying 72 percent of people who received an online compliance letter since September 2016 have completely resolved the matter.

"Only 2.2 per cent of customers were requested to supply supporting documentation, which means 97.8 per cent of customers did not need to supply supporting documentation," the statement said.

"The department is determined to ensure that people get what they are entitled to, nothing more, nothing less."

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Reply #62 - Jan 5th, 2017 at 10:52pm
 
“not a debt letter” BULLDUST!
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Reply #63 - Jan 5th, 2017 at 11:31pm
 
This really is disgusting.
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Reply #64 - Jan 6th, 2017 at 8:22am
 
Centrelink crisis 'cataclysmic' says PM's former head of digital transformation

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The man handpicked by Malcolm Turnbull to head the government’s digital transformation has said the error rate in Centrelink’s data-matching process is so unfathomably high that it would send a commercial enterprise out of business.

Paul Shetler, the former digital transformation office head, criticised the government’s response to its latest IT crisis, telling Guardian Australia it was symptomatic of a culture of blame aversion within the bureaucracy.

“It is literally blame aversion, it is not risk aversion,” Shetler said. “They’re trying to avoid the blame, and they’re trying to cast it wide.

“The justifications that have been given I think are just another example of the culture of ‘good news’, reporting only good news up through the bureaucracy.

“I’m sure that the bureaucracy was being told at every single level that everything was OK.

“That’s how it works in the bureaucracy. Bad news is not welcomed, and when bad news comes, they try to shift the blame.”

It is the first time Shetler, formerly the government’s chief digital officer and a former chief digital officer for the UK ministry of justice , has broken his silence on the series of IT failures that have plagued the government in recent months: the census debacle, the failure of the Australian Tax Office systems and now Centrelink’s debt recovery problems.

Shetler resigned in November after being hired by Turnbull to transform the government’s approach to digital technology.

He said it was difficult for him to watch successive IT failures, which he described as “cataclysmic” and “not a crisis of IT” but a “crisis of government”.

“I said when I came in that this would be happening, I said this was already happening, I said it was unacceptable and I made that case the entire time I was at the DTO [digital transformation office], and the DTA [digital transformation agency],” he said.

“I was very explicit about it internally, not nearly as much so externally. It was a fight that I fought from day one, not an easy fight to win, because you’ve got an entire bureaucracy of IT bureaucrats who are backed by large vendors, who have large numbers of staff, and because ministers, I’m going out on a limb here, very quickly become captive to the departments that they deal with.”

Shetler said the consequences of the failures of the Centrelink system were different from problems with the census or the ATO because they were felt by those least able to deal with it.

He said data-matching systems must have human oversight to deal with mistakes.

“The way they did it, obviously it’s dangerous, because their algorithms are flawed in the first place,” Shetler said.

“Secondly, you have to be careful with data. Much of the data that’s in the federal government, how good is it really? There is this sort of a blind faith in data.”


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Reply #65 - Jan 6th, 2017 at 8:23am
 
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The government has continued to deny any problem with its automated compliance system, which relies on data-matching income reported to Centrelink with tax office records.

It confirmed it developed the data matching software in-house, rather than buying it from a private vendor.

The software has been used for data-matching operations for several years, raising questions about what the government knew of its potential flaws before using it for such high-volume debt recovery.

“As with all new software, rigorous testing has been carried out by the department to ensure the system is working as intended,” department general manager Hank Jongen, effectively head of communications, said.

The department said individuals were given ample opportunity to contest the discrepancies, and that 80% of those who received a letter had paid the money back.

Shetler said a 20% error rate would be unacceptable in any other industry.

“All I can say is, if they were a commercial company, you would go out of business, with a 20% failure rate, a known 20% failure rate, you would go out of business, any other kind of matching service would,” he said.

“Come on. Could you imagine the stock exchange doing that? Could you imagine Amazon, Apple or a bank doing that? An insurance company doing that?

“It’s just unfathomable, and yet government thinks it can do that.

“This is the real problem. Government needs to be less arrogant. You’ve got senior public servants there who are drawing private sector salaries, but they’re not holding themselves to the same standard.”

Shetler identified a series of problems that could be immediately addressed. He said it should start with building capability and upskilling across all areas of the public service.

A “radical” upgrade of IT skills was needed, he said, starting from the top levels of the public service. That would include ensuring only technically proficient executives were placed in senior IT leadership roles. Public servants should be increasingly placed in front of real users, so they can see the impacts of their decisions and systems on the ground.

Shetler said the current Centrelink situation had exposed a gap between government policy and service delivery. That divergence must be addressed, he said.

“Policy is not just something you dream up on a piece of paper,” he said. “It’s actually also the results that you see on the streets.”

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Reply #66 - Jan 6th, 2017 at 8:32am
 
it's ludicrous that the govt. doesn't temporarily put a stop to these letters and iron out the bugs in the system. It's letting it's ego get in the way of common sense. They're gonna lose a lot of votes with this crap.

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Reply #67 - Jan 6th, 2017 at 8:39am
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 6th, 2017 at 8:32am:
it's ludicrous that the govt. doesn't temporarily put a stop to these letters and iron out the bugs in the system. It's letting it's ego get in the way of common sense. They're gonna lose a lot of votes with this crap.




What about Jobs & Growth?

Instead of kicking people without a job in the face -
find them a job.

Turnbull is hopeless.
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Reply #68 - Jan 6th, 2017 at 8:41am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2017 at 8:39am:
What about Jobs & Growth?



takes more than a 3 word phrase to create jobs ... turdball hasn't a clue how to go about it.
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Reply #69 - Jan 6th, 2017 at 9:29am
 
On a closely-related topic, let's make it clear that the reasons why these so-called "debts" exist at all is that the system is designed to fail, and it is very heavily slanted against the disadvantaged.

1. Anyone who works has to enter the amount earned for the current week, including in some cases shifts that have not even been worked yet, and in almost all cases before payslips are available. Mistakes are inevitable.
2. If they understate the amount of their pay, this creates a "debt" that only has to be asserted by Centrelink once every six years for that debt to be claimable indefinitely with no statute of limitations. Yet Centrelink only "recommends" that pay slips be retained for "six months". That's why it isn't a coincidence that most of these fraudulent "debts" are mostly from about five years ago.
3. If they overstate their pay, they only have three months at most to correct this before their right to claim is extinguished. This is the great injustice - claims one way are indefinite, claims the other are extinguished after three months. Now imagine the stink if the ATO did that.
4. Anyone who makes a mistake (which happens all the time, see #1) is expected to correct it. Yet the Centrelink web site doesn't actually remind people to do this. This extra paperwork is completely unnecessary. The system should be set up so it only asked for work details ending the previous week instead of the current week.
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Reply #70 - Jan 6th, 2017 at 11:06am
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 6th, 2017 at 8:41am:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2017 at 8:39am:
What about Jobs & Growth?



takes more than a 3 word phrase to create jobs ... turdball hasn't a clue how to go about it.



Turnbull hasn't got a clue what to do.
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Reply #71 - Jan 6th, 2017 at 11:33am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2017 at 8:39am:
John Smith wrote on Jan 6th, 2017 at 8:32am:
it's ludicrous that the govt. doesn't temporarily put a stop to these letters and iron out the bugs in the system. It's letting it's ego get in the way of common sense. They're gonna lose a lot of votes with this crap.




What about Jobs & Growth?

Instead of kicking people without a job in the face -
find them a job.

Turnbull is hopeless.


Jobs & Growth?

One of the Liberals most successful policies.

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Reply #72 - Jan 6th, 2017 at 11:33am
 
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“The complaint rate is running at 0.16 per cent ... only 276 complaints out of 169,000 letters and that process has raised $300 million worth of money back to the taxpayer,” he told ABC Radio on Tuesday.

The federal government is looking to claw back $4 billion in overpayments. Mr Porter characterised the letters as polite.
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Reply #73 - Jan 6th, 2017 at 11:34am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2017 at 11:06am:
John Smith wrote on Jan 6th, 2017 at 8:41am:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2017 at 8:39am:
What about Jobs & Growth?



takes more than a 3 word phrase to create jobs ... turdball hasn't a clue how to go about it.



Turnbull hasn't got a clue what to do.


No true he knows exactly what he will do.
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Reply #74 - Jan 6th, 2017 at 11:35am
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 6th, 2017 at 11:33am:
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“The complaint rate is running at 0.16 per cent ... only 276 complaints out of 169,000 letters and that process has raised $300 million worth of money back to the taxpayer,” he told ABC Radio on Tuesday.

The federal government is looking to claw back $4 billion in overpayments. Mr Porter characterised the letters as polite.


Would that be because the majority of people are asking for re assessment and not lodging complaints yet.
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