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stunspore Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5097 Gender:	Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal Reply #345 - Jan 20^th, 2017 at 10:21pm it's pitiful that people (coalition supporters) reject the government's responsibility to its citizens. Instead, they appear to support water polo trips and queensland house hunting.
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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal
Reply #346 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 2:13am

Kat wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

The truly sad thing is that no matter how many times you lay the facts before them, they simply
refuse to see, then go off once again with their 'bludger' mantra.

Ferk, it's getting tiresome, the more so because it has no basis in fact.

What will it take - the loss of THEIR job, or a cut to THEIR pension, or THEIR super being white-
anted - before they wake up?

Or not even then?

God help Australia.

Because our system and our government most certainly are not.

Right in ONE!

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 17077 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal Reply #347 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 2:16am Dnarever wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 8:33pm: aquascoot wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 10:00am: what should the government and business be doing? nothing. its not their problem How many million jobs did Abbott promise to create ???? All of them!
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Reply #348 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 2:19am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 8:31pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 9:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 6:38pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2017 at 10:17am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 7:54pm:

You do know that nobody is getting around 10% these days,

i don't think he's referring to earnings, I think he's talking about splitting the worth by the estimated 10 yrs ($1m by 10 gives her $100 000 per annum) chances are she probably wouldn't spend that anyway so it'll most likely last her longer than the ten years.

rhino wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 8:44pm:

of course if she doesnt die at the age of 82 then theres a problem isnt here? What do you suggest, making her into soylent green?

then she would be entitled to the pension

She sold her home remember - you know how tough it is on the pension when you pay rent ?

There is about enough left for a nice can of pal.

That's ten years down the road and she may no longer need above-ground shelter.

Surely she is entitled to have saved to cater for the possibility that she would live longer?

Ummmm - why can't she just live in her own home and get the pension her many years of contribution to this society Entitles her to?

When and how did it ever become the rule that retirees NEED to sell their home and all their assets accumulated over a lifetime of work to survive in their old age?

Did the twerp who came up with that idea feel that he/she should do the same?

Boot the lot of them out and start again... that is the only real solution you'll find.

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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal
Reply #349 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 2:21am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 8:31pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 9:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 6:38pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2017 at 10:17am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 7:54pm:

You do know that nobody is getting around 10% these days,

i don't think he's referring to earnings, I think he's talking about splitting the worth by the estimated 10 yrs ($1m by 10 gives her $100 000 per annum) chances are she probably wouldn't spend that anyway so it'll most likely last her longer than the ten years.

rhino wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 8:44pm:

of course if she doesnt die at the age of 82 then theres a problem isnt here? What do you suggest, making her into soylent green?

then she would be entitled to the pension

She sold her home remember - you know how tough it is on the pension when you pay rent ?

There is about enough left for a nice can of pal.

That's ten years down the road and she may no longer need above-ground shelter.

Surely she is entitled to have saved to cater for the possibility that she would live longer?

You mean someone gave her all this lovely cash to put away to provide for the future? When did that happen?

I sometimes think that some of you are so out of touch......

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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal
Reply #350 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 2:24am

Grendel wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 1:43pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 10:00am:

Bam wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 8:25am:

Grendel wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 8:06am:

Yep and the Unemployed need jobs so they can have a life. What do you think the Government and businesses should be doing to correct the current situation where we have 550,000 Australians without a job even if we filled all the available jobs today?

You're wrong here, Grendel. You seem to have been misled by the inaccurate ABS statistics. The actual number of unemployed is over a million Australian workers.

Someone doesn't have to be actively looking for work to be unemployed and willing to work.

LOL

what should the government and business be doing?
nothing.
its not their problem

if youre unemployed its YOUR problem.

FFS ...wake up and make yourself more EMPLOYABLE.
being a cry baby and expecting others to always fix your problems is MAKING you unemployable.
If you think that way, you are frigging toxic.
No employer in his right mind would touch you with a 50 foot barge pole.
talk about a "self fulfilling prophesy"

If government and business do not provide jobs sunshine the vast majority of us would be out of work. Cheesy

So - WHEN will 'government and business' actually get around to providing jobs?

Just asking, sunshine....

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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal
Reply #351 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 2:26am

Setanta wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 2:16am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 8:33pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 10:00am:

what should the government and business be doing?
nothing.
its not their problem

How many million jobs did Abbott promise to create ????

All of them!

Two MILL-YUN jobs....... farken dick-head....empty minds give out empty phrases...

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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal
Reply #352 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 6:45am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 2:24am:

Grendel wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 1:43pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 10:00am:

Bam wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 8:25am:

Grendel wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 8:06am:

Yep and the Unemployed need jobs so they can have a life. What do you think the Government and businesses should be doing to correct the current situation where we have 550,000 Australians without a job even if we filled all the available jobs today?

You're wrong here, Grendel. You seem to have been misled by the inaccurate ABS statistics. The actual number of unemployed is over a million Australian workers.

Someone doesn't have to be actively looking for work to be unemployed and willing to work.

LOL

what should the government and business be doing?
nothing.
its not their problem

if youre unemployed its YOUR problem.

FFS ...wake up and make yourself more EMPLOYABLE.
being a cry baby and expecting others to always fix your problems is MAKING you unemployable.
If you think that way, you are frigging toxic.
No employer in his right mind would touch you with a 50 foot barge pole.
talk about a "self fulfilling prophesy"

If government and business do not provide jobs sunshine the vast majority of us would be out of work. Cheesy

So - WHEN will 'government and business' actually get around to providing jobs?

Just asking, sunshine....

FFS create your own f*ing job.

when will the government get round to creating successful sexual relationships for its citizens....NEVER , it cant.

when will the government get round to creating jobs for its citizens....NEVER, it cant.

Kats rediculous assertion that they employ more public servants and build more infrastructure is fing BS and the money will run out in no time.

just go and start a small business

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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal
Reply #353 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 8:24am

stunspore wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 10:21pm:

it's pitiful that people (coalition supporters) reject the government's responsibility to its citizens. Instead, they appear to support water polo trips and queensland house hunting.

Well that is simply bullshit.... I know many Coalition supporters who aren't lunatics likw aquascoot... as for water polo trips... are you suggesting Blocker Roach is a liberal supporter? Or that ALP supporters don't buy houses... Grin

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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal
Reply #354 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 8:26am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 2:24am:

Grendel wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 1:43pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 10:00am:

Bam wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 8:25am:

Grendel wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 8:06am:

Yep and the Unemployed need jobs so they can have a life. What do you think the Government and businesses should be doing to correct the current situation where we have 550,000 Australians without a job even if we filled all the available jobs today?

You're wrong here, Grendel. You seem to have been misled by the inaccurate ABS statistics. The actual number of unemployed is over a million Australian workers.

Someone doesn't have to be actively looking for work to be unemployed and willing to work.

LOL

what should the government and business be doing?
nothing.
its not their problem

if youre unemployed its YOUR problem.

FFS ...wake up and make yourself more EMPLOYABLE.
being a cry baby and expecting others to always fix your problems is MAKING you unemployable.
If you think that way, you are frigging toxic.
No employer in his right mind would touch you with a 50 foot barge pole.
talk about a "self fulfilling prophesy"

If government and business do not provide jobs sunshine the vast majority of us would be out of work. Cheesy

So - WHEN will 'government and business' actually get around to providing jobs?

Just asking, sunshine....

Who are you asking?
And if its me... why are you asking.... when I'd like to know too. Roll Eyes

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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal
Reply #355 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 8:56am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 6:45am:

when will the government get round to creating jobs for its citizens....NEVER, it cant.

Kats rediculous assertion that they employ more public servants and build more infrastructure is fing BS and the money will run out in no time.

Kat wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

The truly sad thing is that no matter how many times you lay the facts before them, they simply refuse to see

You only prove Kat's point that you are incapable of learning. Your thinking is terminally ossified. No matter how many times the facts are laid out, you refuse to see them. No doubt you will ignore this too.

Full employment 1942-1975 - because the government allowed it to happen.

No full employment since 1975 - because the government allowed it to happen.

The government CAN create full employment because it HAS ALREADY created full employment. And it can do so again, if it so chose. The government can do so directly, by creating government jobs, or it can do so indirectly, by fostering an environment of jobs growth, reducing the length of the working week, mandating overtime penalty rates, increasing the casual loading to 50%, shutting down or severely cutting back the 457 visa program, cracking down on black market labour, cracking down on employers who do not pay their staff properly, eliminating unnecessary red tape on the unemployed that hinders them from finding work, and not allowing the RBA to raise interest rates until unemployment got down to 2% or below rather than the 5% mark it uses now.

That is why your assertion that the government cannot create jobs is simply a lie. Why do you tell lies, aquascoot?

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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal
Reply #356 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 9:01am

Unforgiven wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 8:53pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 8:44pm:

yeah. of course if she doesnt die at the age of 82 then theres a problem isnt here? What do you suggest, making her into soylent green?

She can join the Polanimal bitch pack and feed on carrion like Cods does.

I don't know why you were permanently banned from PA. I think you would fit in very well there. I don't remember your posts being particularly obnoxious, but you must have upset some members. I've seen you make some good posts when you want to.

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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal
Reply #357 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 9:50am

Grendel wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 8:24am:

stunspore wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 10:21pm:

it's pitiful that people (coalition supporters) reject the government's responsibility to its citizens. Instead, they appear to support water polo trips and queensland house hunting.

Well that is simply bullshit.... I know many Coalition supporters who aren't lunatics likw aquascoot... as for water polo trips... are you suggesting Blocker Roach is a liberal supporter? Or that ALP supporters don't buy houses... Grin

They appear to not go on a taxpayer funded trip to buy a house.

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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal
Reply #358 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 1:18pm

mantra wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 9:01am:

Unforgiven wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 8:53pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 8:44pm:

yeah. of course if she doesnt die at the age of 82 then theres a problem isnt here? What do you suggest, making her into soylent green?

She can join the Polanimal bitch pack and feed on carrion like Cods does.

I don't know why you were permanently banned from PA. I think you would fit in very well there. I don't remember your posts being particularly obnoxious, but you must have upset some members. I've seen you make some good posts when you want to.

Great mantra... I doubt we need 2 IQS.
Or someone with an IQ of 2. Cheesy

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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal
Reply #359 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 1:22pm

stunspore wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 9:50am:

Grendel wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 8:24am:

stunspore wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 10:21pm:

it's pitiful that people (coalition supporters) reject the government's responsibility to its citizens. Instead, they appear to support water polo trips and queensland house hunting.

Well that is simply bullshit.... I know many Coalition supporters who aren't lunatics likw aquascoot... as for water polo trips... are you suggesting Blocker Roach is a liberal supporter? Or that ALP supporters don't buy houses... Grin

They appear to not go on a taxpayer funded trip to buy a house.

She didn't take the trip to Qld to buy the hose... she attended 2 health minister events...
As for buying a house/apt anyone including poliies are allowed to buy houses/apts.
As for how much it costs that is also irrelevant.
What she shouldn't have done is used taxpayer money to fund anything to buying it.
Oh and nothing you said changes anything you were wrong before and still are now.

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