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Reply #255 - Jan 12th, 2017 at 8:56am
 
Government knew about discrepancies in data-matching system before reducing human oversight


Exactly what I have been saying.
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Reply #256 - Jan 12th, 2017 at 8:56am
 
And it is the Libs that removed the manual checking late last year. NOT Labor in 2011 as roach says  Cheesy
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Reply #257 - Jan 12th, 2017 at 8:56am
 
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Reply #258 - Jan 12th, 2017 at 10:38am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 12th, 2017 at 8:56am:
And it is the Libs that removed the manual checking late last year. NOT Labor in 2011 as roach says  Cheesy

Oh dear....  do stop lying about what I say...
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Reply #259 - Jan 12th, 2017 at 10:42am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 12th, 2017 at 8:33am:
You have called me an idiot several times in this thread alone. All because you are trying to push the lie that the ALP caused the Centrelink debacle. Just not believable.

That you blame the ALP and protect the Libs—that shows what your political leanings are.

Wrong again...  I keep telling you and you are too thick to understand and too biased to listen.
I stated the FACT that Labor created the system being used when they demanded that the liberals explain it...  I'm sorry...  Its Bill and Tanya's baby, there is no need for the Liberals to explain it...  now run away and get an adult to explain that simple point to you and do try to stop lying about what I say. Cheesy
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Reply #260 - Jan 12th, 2017 at 10:46am
 
Oh and try to swallow this in small bite sized chunks....  when you computerise and automate something that is done to decrease the need for human intervention...  to alleviate the need for human checking...  which is why they came up with the system in the first place... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #261 - Jan 12th, 2017 at 10:56am
 
Labor had manual checking in place and the system ran well. Dec last year the Libs removed the manual checking and the debacle began.
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Reply #262 - Jan 12th, 2017 at 11:13am
 
You still don't get it do you? Cheesy
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Reply #263 - Jan 12th, 2017 at 11:13am
 
Oh dear one more try...
Grendel wrote on Jan 12th, 2017 at 10:46am:
Oh and try to swallow this in small bite sized chunks....  when you computerise and automate something that is done to decrease the need for human intervention...  to alleviate the need for human checking...  which is why they came up with the system in the first place... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Reply #264 - Jan 12th, 2017 at 11:54am
 
Wow, you got it so wrong, haven’t you roach?

You automate to speed up a process, in this case matching ATO and Centrelink records.

Labor: then had the discrepancies checked and investigated, most were eliminated as computer error

Libs: removed the manual checking because they wanted to raise revenue.

It really is simple roach, I and others (Bam especially) have posted articles showing the removal of manual checking. You just ignore them.
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Reply #265 - Jan 12th, 2017 at 1:00pm
 
Oh dear Bill and I have got it wrong....  but Bill was co creator of the system...

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“The automation of this process will free up resources and result­ in more people being referred to the tax garnishee process, retrieving more outstanding debt on behalf of taxpayers,” Mr Shorten said at the time.
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Reply #266 - Jan 12th, 2017 at 1:02pm
 
And, automating the matching of Centrelink and ATO records DID speed up the collection of debts.

But removing the manual checking, by the Libs, did start the debacle now happening.
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Reply #267 - Jan 12th, 2017 at 4:44pm
 
The plot thickens!

Leaked Centrelink memo shows staff told not to process debt disputes in person

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* Memo orders branch staff not to process debt disputes in person
* Also says staff must "not cancel the activity under any circumstances"
* Employee says customers "anxious, fearful, confused and frustrated"

Centrelink management has ordered frontline staff working in branches not to process disputes over the Federal Government's controversial debt claw-back scheme and instead refer welfare recipients to an online portal.

An internal Centrelink memo obtained by 7.30 said staff "should refer customers online to undertake the intervention" and "must not process activities in relation to the Online Compliance Intervention".

The instructions, available on Centrelink's internal communications system, also told staff in bold text: "Do not cancel the activity under any circumstances."

The memo appears to contradict Human Services Minister Alan Tudge's claim yesterday that people having problems with online and telephone services could go into a Centrelink office and see someone "in 10 minutes".

When pushed on claims that recipients had been turned away at Centrelink offices, Mr Tudge said: "We do have self-terminals in the Centrelink office and there are people there who can help people be able to get online with that process."

A statement from the minister's office to 7.30 said "there is no contradiction — both the memo and the comments are correct".

"A person arriving at a service centre with an enquiry about the online compliance system will be met by a customer service officer, have their enquiry assessed, and be referred to the right person to resolve their enquiry as quickly as possible," it said.

The internal Centrelink memo does suggest staff can offer help to vulnerable clients in certain circumstances.

"Customers must be encouraged to self-manage as assistance is intended for vulnerable customers or those with extenuating circumstances," it said.

Customers 'anxious, fearful, confused and frustrated'


A Centrelink employee, who asked not to be identified because they were not authorised to speak publicly, said front office staff were given no warning about the data-matching program before it was launched in July last year.

"The first an office staff member was aware of the new program was when a Centrelink customer has walked through the door with a letter about it," the employee said.

"Every customer I have assisted that has presented with the online compliance intervention letter has been extremely anxious, fearful, confused and frustrated."

The Commonwealth Ombudsman is investigating claims the scheme resulted in welfare recipients around the country receiving incorrect debt notices.

Labor has asked the National Audit Office to also investigate, and welfare groups are pushing for the Government to suspend the program.

But Mr Tudge rejected claims there were flaws in the automated system that has matched welfare recipients' reported income with their tax records.

"The system is working and we will continue with that system," he said yesterday.

Staff sceptical data-matching system can be fixed


The Community and Public Sector Union's assistant national secretary, Michael Tull, said Centrelink staff were under pressure to deal with problems being created by the automated system.

"But they're captive to a computer system and a set of processes and regulations which don't always let them provide the advice or support or make the decisions that the clients need," he said.

"It's absolutely demoralising to be talking to a client who is clearly struggling, who's clearly feeling very bad about the circumstance they're in, and not being able to help them."

The Centrelink employee who spoke to 7.30 said staff were sceptical about the suggestions that the data-matching system could be refined to stop debt notices being sent out in error.

"It is as if Centrelink has simply decided that their prized data-matching program is now too hard, too time consuming and too costly," the employee said.

"So let's outsource it to the customer — they will be so overwhelmed that they will give up."

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Reply #268 - Jan 12th, 2017 at 4:56pm
 
Coalition implemented the system.  They are the ones to stop the system.
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Reply #269 - Jan 12th, 2017 at 5:13pm
 
Nonono roach reckons Shorten did it, back in 2011. Funny it only started a few weeks ago tho, eh?
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