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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal
Reply #210 - Jan 11^th, 2017 at 9:13am

From Bam’s post ^^^^ (won’t link it, the line is highlighted and easy to find, even for roach:)

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IT expert Justin Warren told news.com.au that human oversight had been removed from the system, leaving the burden of fixing the errors on the users.

Human oversight has been removed from the system.

That is why a trivial spelling difference between the ATO and Centrelink now has Centrelink creating a false debt because the STUPID computer thinks slightly different spelling means two different employers, one not reported by the Centrelink client.

That is VERY poor programming, the names should be processed and formatted:

Any P/L or Pty Ltd, &As, anything in brackets trimmed from the name. All names made all upper case, spaces between parts of the name removed, stuff like that then the computer can eliminate many false discrepancies. Any discrepancy detected should then be checked by a human.

I had to program like this to match addresses between two databases I created, sold properties and properties on the market. Page after page of programming to standardise everything. Obviously the Centrelink programming is pretty basic.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 50505 Gender:	Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal Reply #211 - Jan 11^th, 2017 at 9:14am .
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal Reply #213 - Jan 11^th, 2017 at 9:29am Only under a Liberal government is due process not followed and its guilty until proven innocent .
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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal
Reply #214 - Jan 11^th, 2017 at 11:36am

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 11^th, 2017 at 9:13am:

From Bam’s post ^^^^ (won’t link it, the line is highlighted and easy to find, even for roach:)

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IT expert Justin Warren told news.com.au that human oversight had been removed from the system, leaving the burden of fixing the errors on the users.

Human oversight has been removed from the system.

That is why a trivial spelling difference between the ATO and Centrelink now has Centrelink creating a false debt because the STUPID computer thinks slightly different spelling means two different employers, one not reported by the Centrelink client.

That is VERY poor programming, the names should be processed and formatted:

Any P/L or Pty Ltd, &As, anything in brackets trimmed from the name. All names made all upper case, spaces between parts of the name removed, stuff like that then the computer can eliminate many false discrepancies. Any discrepancy detected should then be checked by a human.

I had to program like this to match addresses between two databases I created, sold properties and properties on the market. Page after page of programming to standardise everything. Obviously the Centrelink programming is pretty basic.

So you are talking about a system error a computer error... thanks... Grin

Just like I keep telling you. Cheesy

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal Reply #215 - Jan 11^th, 2017 at 11:39am Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 10^th, 2017 at 6:02pm: I showed how Centrelink staff USED to check the output. You say staff check the output {headdesk} You blame Labor based on a press release 6 years ago {facepalm} Honestly if you are too biased or thick to understand... best you just shut up Monk.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal Reply #216 - Jan 11^th, 2017 at 11:41am As for this line... Quote: IT expert Justin Warren told news.com.au that human oversight had been removed from the system, leaving the burden of fixing the errors on the users. Anyone in the IT business would recognise that Centrelink is the USER. Get an adult to explain it to you.
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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal
Reply #217 - Jan 11^th, 2017 at 12:34pm

Unfortunately the poor centafink workers cop all the shite
They are nothing but automotons who carry out the orders of their faceless, moronic masters
They are not allowed to stray even a fraction without tge senior public service worms going ape all over them

So, they do exactly what they are told to do regardless of how heartless or thoughtless it is

What we need it to find the faceless moral retarded dick wits who make up tgese draconian rules and give them what for
Take tgeir excessive perks, pay and pensions off them and make them responsible

But tgey are well hidden by the politicians whi are there simply to distract us from finding these disgusting excuses for human beings.

Come the revolution however
We will find them
We will hunt them down
And we will make them pay for their disgusting ways

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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal
Reply #218 - Jan 11^th, 2017 at 12:41pm

Grendel wrote on Jan 11^th, 2017 at 11:41am:

As for this line...

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IT expert Justin Warren told news.com.au that human oversight had been removed from the system, leaving the burden of fixing the errors on the users.

Anyone in the IT business would recognise that Centrelink is the USER.

Get an adult to explain it to you.

Delightful watching roach try to change the narrative. Human checking was removed, roach started talking about staff cuts LOL!

The userS Warren is talking about are CLEARLY the “clients” of Centrelink being hit by claims for alleged debts that are exaggerated or nonexistent because HUMAN checking has been removed.

You are sounding desperate, roach.

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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal
Reply #219 - Jan 11^th, 2017 at 12:43pm

Grendel wrote on Jan 11^th, 2017 at 11:36am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 11^th, 2017 at 9:13am:

From Bam’s post ^^^^ (won’t link it, the line is highlighted and easy to find, even for roach:)

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IT expert Justin Warren told news.com.au that human oversight had been removed from the system, leaving the burden of fixing the errors on the users.

Human oversight has been removed from the system.

That is why a trivial spelling difference between the ATO and Centrelink now has Centrelink creating a false debt because the STUPID computer thinks slightly different spelling means two different employers, one not reported by the Centrelink client.

That is VERY poor programming, the names should be processed and formatted:

Any P/L or Pty Ltd, &As, anything in brackets trimmed from the name. All names made all upper case, spaces between parts of the name removed, stuff like that then the computer can eliminate many false discrepancies. Any discrepancy detected should then be checked by a human.

I had to program like this to match addresses between two databases I created, sold properties and properties on the market. Page after page of programming to standardise everything. Obviously the Centrelink programming is pretty basic.

So you are talking about a system error a computer error... thanks... Grin

Just like I keep telling you. Cheesy

Yes, just as I have been telling you these errors are no longer being caught because HUMAN checking has been removed! Wow, roach finally agrees with me

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal Reply #220 - Jan 11^th, 2017 at 1:30pm Its time wrote on Jan 11^th, 2017 at 9:29am: Only under a Liberal government is due process not followed and its guilty until proven innocent . Off to Siberia with you eh Comrade... in civillised western democracies though one is innocent until proven guilty.
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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal
Reply #221 - Jan 11^th, 2017 at 1:31pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 11^th, 2017 at 12:41pm:

Grendel wrote on Jan 11^th, 2017 at 11:41am:

As for this line...

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IT expert Justin Warren told news.com.au that human oversight had been removed from the system, leaving the burden of fixing the errors on the users.

Anyone in the IT business would recognise that Centrelink is the USER.

Get an adult to explain it to you.

Delightful watching roach try to change the narrative. Human checking was removed, roach started talking about staff cuts LOL!

The userS Warren is talking about are CLEARLY the “clients” of Centrelink being hit by claims for alleged debts that are exaggerated or nonexistent because HUMAN checking has been removed.

You are sounding desperate, roach.

You on the other hand are wrong and sounding like an idiot yet again. Did you get an adult to explain to you what I actually said? No? Cheesy

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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal
Reply #222 - Jan 11^th, 2017 at 1:32pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 11^th, 2017 at 12:43pm:

Grendel wrote on Jan 11^th, 2017 at 11:36am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 11^th, 2017 at 9:13am:

From Bam’s post ^^^^ (won’t link it, the line is highlighted and easy to find, even for roach:)

Quote:

IT expert Justin Warren told news.com.au that human oversight had been removed from the system, leaving the burden of fixing the errors on the users.

Human oversight has been removed from the system.

That is why a trivial spelling difference between the ATO and Centrelink now has Centrelink creating a false debt because the STUPID computer thinks slightly different spelling means two different employers, one not reported by the Centrelink client.

That is VERY poor programming, the names should be processed and formatted:

Any P/L or Pty Ltd, &As, anything in brackets trimmed from the name. All names made all upper case, spaces between parts of the name removed, stuff like that then the computer can eliminate many false discrepancies. Any discrepancy detected should then be checked by a human.

I had to program like this to match addresses between two databases I created, sold properties and properties on the market. Page after page of programming to standardise everything. Obviously the Centrelink programming is pretty basic.

So you are talking about a system error a computer error... thanks... Grin

Just like I keep telling you. Cheesy

Yes, just as I have been telling you these errors are no longer being caught because HUMAN checking has been removed! Wow, roach finally agrees with me

Ah... NO.
Apparently YOU are too dense to understand English.
Wassup fall in the barrel again? Cheesy

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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal
Reply #223 - Jan 11^th, 2017 at 1:54pm

When you remove human checking computer errors are not caught.

Simple errors like an employers’ name being recorded slightly differently on Centrelink and ATO records: a human would have spotted that and no action would be taken. Now there is no human checking these errors are not caught and Centrelink says you worked for two employers not one.

That is what is happening now the Libs have removed the human checking of output.

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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal Reply #224 - Jan 11^th, 2017 at 2:07pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 11^th, 2017 at 9:13am: Obviously the Centrelink programming is pretty basic. If it's in BASIC, it's NOT pretty.
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