Black Orchid wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2017 at 1:59pm:


Oh I see.  You make wild assertions of fact, and then when challenged to back them up...you run off with "Boo hoo....it's just an opinion."  Well BO, I doubt anyone here gives a flying faarrrkkk about your unsubstantiated mere opinion.

Why does Aussie want to be involved and have it on his forum?

No real reason for it to be there, if it turns to poo no doubt Freediver will transfer it to his garbage dump as he does all the other crap.

Until then his desire and motivation to host it should discount him as being not uninterested.

Secret Wars wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2017 at 2:09pm:


It will not be on Relationships.  It will be seen by everyone at the same time in the General Section at the same and for the first time.  Just read what has been posted, so that I do not have to repeat myself.

Black Orchid wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2017 at 2:15pm:


How many times must I post that

A Request From Your Fat Friend: What I Need When We Talk About Bodies

July 17, 2016 by Your Fat Friend

Originally published on Medium and republished here with the author’s permission.

I need you to listen closely. I need you to believe me when I tell you what happens.

I need you to say the word “fat.”

About me. Because I am. I’m a size 26 — fat enough that some stores for fat people don’t carry my size. Fat enough that some doctors will refuse to see me. Fat enough that getting on an airplane makes my blood run cold, because they might kick me off, without a refund for my ticket, or they might charge me double, and then I will have to explain to my friends, job, family why I can’t make it on that trip.

Every discussion about bodies — whether in the media or amongst friends — is about how to avoid the horrible fate of looking like me. I need you to hear that this is all hurts, and happens all the time.

I know that this stuff is hard to talk about. But when I talk about fat, I am not talking about feelings or self-esteem or body image issues or inner strength. I am talking about the way individuals and institutions treat me and people who look like me. I need you to acknowledge that you and I have different experiences because I am fat.

I need you to consider your audience. When you say you hate your body for being so fat, or that you are afraid of becoming fat, or when you say that you shouldn’t have eaten that lunch or dessert, or when you announce your new year’s resolution to lose 5, 10, 25 pounds, you are saying that you don’t want your body to end up like mine. Your feelings are real and true and valid. And you still should not say them to the fattest person you know.

I know that all of us are impacted by body shaming, and that everyone has real, valid, deep, hard feelings about our bodies. I still need you to stop perpetuating it, especially when talking about yourself. No amount of caveats or prologues make it hurt me less.

I need you to know that I’m taking it personally because it is personal.

I need you to know that I go to great pains to take care of everyone’s feelings when I talk about being fat, and that, for me, these conversations happen weekly, sometimes daily, and lots of people need lots of attention and care just to be able to hear what I need from them. Sometimes I get tired, frustrated, or angry with the emotional work it takes to just to prepare those around me to hear me name who I am and what I need.

I need you to know that when you talk disparagingly about your own body, and then you say “but not you, you’re beautiful,” your compliments are impossible to believe. That if you disapprove of yourself, vivisect your own body, and then compliment me, I will remember how you talk about both of us.

If you think of your own fat body as repulsive, I will believe that you are also repulsed by mine. I know that you intend to talk about yourself. I need you to know that you are also talking about me.

I need you to let go of the things I have never been able to hold, just for a moment. Just to feel how fragile they are when you loosen your grip, to feel how easily they can shatter. I need you to care for me enough to feel unsafe. I need you to join me for a moment where I live every day.

I need you to try to learn to love the lush overgrowth of your body. Let it grow wild and untamed as a garden you loved as a child. Love it for the way it sustains you, keeps you warm, goes to such lengths not to let you get hurt. Its only job is to care for you. I need you to try to love it if you intend to love me.

I need you to remember what you know from feminism: that blaming individuals for the harassment they experience isn’t supportive or effective. That we question social messages and systems of power that dictate what our bodies are and aren’t allowed to be. And that hysteria and neurasthenia (weak nerves) were very serious health concerns at the time, and they were used to contain and discredit women who wouldn’t comply.

I need you to remember what you know from economic justice: that individual work ethic can’t hold a candle to the systems stacked against us. And we can’t attribute poverty to poor work ethic any more than we can attribute harassment of fat people to low self esteem or weak willpower.

I need you not to forget your social justice values when I tell you about my experience.

I need you to stop reducing my experiences to hurt feelings, or to ill-intended individuals. I need you to know that even with good intentions, you can still do harm. I need less empathy and more solidarity. Less pity, more anger. Fewer condolences; more action. I need you to stop comforting me.

I need an ally.

It is obvious that some people are simple minded and are also ignorant of other comments in the other Thread, so I'll try to explain this for them, and I'll type slowly.

Karnal suggested that each contribution be emailed to someone (I then offered) and that someone would post every piece at the same time....reason being that no-one gets a flying start and all pieces are read at the same time.  So:

1.  People write their piece.
2.  They PM them to me.
3.  I put them together in a hidden Thread in Relationships which NO-ONE can see other than me, FD and the GMods.
4.  They would be collated in order of my receiving them.
5.  At the deadline for contributions, that Thread will appear NOT IN RELATIONSHIPS for all to see at the same time.

End.

Agnes wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2017 at 2:22pm:



And I think the topic should be decided on as well...maybe by poll.

Agnes wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2017 at 2:27pm:


You need to butt out of what does not concern you Agnes.  Ima working on my 2017 Policy of not tolerating the PA ad hom crap any longer.

P_N is never here.

This is already a debacle....melielongtime will never agree with anything other than his terms, so it is a waste of time.....right now.

My proposal is sound, fair to all, and it will work.