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How Joe Biden got it
Dec 25th, 2016 at 4:49am
 
Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. told the Angeles Times that he anticipated the victory of President-elect Donald J. Trump after he watched a Trump rally at Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania and witnessed the lack of enthusiasm for Hillary R. Clinton.
“Son of a gun. We may lose this election,” Biden said, recalling his thoughts for the paper during an interview.

The vice president said that Trump’s connection with the audience, forced him to remember one of his father’s adages: “I don’t expect the government to solve my problems. But I expect them to understand it.”
It is an familiar theme for Biden, who instructs his speechwriters to mention his audiences’ concerns in his speeches, whether he agrees with them or not. “I was trying to be as tactful as I could in making it clear that I thought we constantly made a mistake of not speaking to the fears, aspirations, concerns of middle class people.”

It was that tact the vice president was expected to take during his own aborted presidential campaign, where he intended to maintain the policy trajectory of President Barack Obama, tempered by a spirit of comity and respect for the people on the other side of the aisle — “a campaign of the heart.”

In fact, he told the Times, unlike the former first lady, who called Trump’s supporters “irredeemable” and “deplorables,” Biden defended Trump’s voters as regular Americans, like the ones he knew growing up


“They’re all the people I grew up with. They’re their kids. And they’re not racist. They’re not sexist. But we didn’t talk to them,” he said. “I believe that we were not letting an awful lot of people — high school-educated, mostly Caucasian, but also people of color — know that we understood their problems.”



There is a current of elitism running through the Democratic Party that offends regular people, who might not buy into the progressive agenda for their own reasons, he said. “In the meantime, you can’t eat equality, you know?”

The vice president, who made 83 campaign appearances for Clinton, said his misgivings were confirmed at a rally on the eve of Election Day with Clinton’s running mate Sen. Timothy Kaine (D-VA), when he said to his aides that he detected no excitement for the former secretary of state.


“You didn’t see any Hillary signs,” Biden recalled. “Every time I talked about Hillary they listened. But …”
Biden’s speech that night mirrors his message to Democrats now.

“God willing we’re going to win this, but there’s a lot of people who are going to vote for Donald Trump,” Biden told the crowd. “We’ve got to figure out why. What is eating at them? Some of it will be unacceptable. But some of it will be about hard truths about our country and about our economy. A lot of people do feel left out.”

After Jan. 20, Biden becomes a private citizen for the first time since he entered the Senate Jan. 3, 1973 — an institution he never left, because the vice president is the head of the upper chamber — but he told the paper he does not intend to leave the stage completely. His wife, Dr. Jill Biden, expects to continue teaching at Northern Virginia Community College, and the Bidens are looking for a home in the Virginia suburbs of the District of Columbia.

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Reply #1 - Dec 25th, 2016 at 2:21pm
 
Joe Biden is of course from the Democrat party of old, wherein dwelt many good centre left people before it was captured by a travelling freak show of unusual exhibits and hucksters.
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Reply #2 - Dec 25th, 2016 at 2:33pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Dec 25th, 2016 at 2:21pm:
Joe Biden is of course from the Democrat party of old, wherein dwelt many good centre left people before it was captured by a travelling freak show of unusual exhibits and hucksters.



Borrowed from another site ....

I have heard many out there, from pundits to the average Joe asking "Why We Lost". I have heard this from Democrats of all parts of the spectrum as well as many so called Republicans, so I will effort to answer this question.

I have heard all kinds of explanations, from misreading polling data, to angry white men, and they're all wrong. The question now is where to begin. There are a plethora of places to start so lets begin with the Democratic Party.

First lets dispel a little misconception, it is the Democratic party that supported slavery, while the republicans supported civil rights, the Democratic party supported segregation, it was a Democrat Colonel that started the KKK as a Military wing of the Democratic party in the south, targeting not just any random black individual but aspiring black political figures and the Republicans that supported them,this is Historical fact, not supposition, look it up in any history book. What does this have to do with today? The secret to understanding this question is understanding the Democrat party never abandoned slavery, they merely molded it into a 21 century version based on economics instead of race, you see the economics based slavery is so much less messy than slavery based on race, creed or sex. This is where it gets messy, because many of what we call "establishment" Republicans have followed the lead of their left side counterparts and joined the ranks of what are now called the "elites".
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Reply #3 - Dec 25th, 2016 at 9:58pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 25th, 2016 at 2:33pm:
bogarde73 wrote on Dec 25th, 2016 at 2:21pm:
Joe Biden is of course from the Democrat party of old, wherein dwelt many good centre left people before it was captured by a travelling freak show of unusual exhibits and hucksters.



Borrowed from another site ....

I have heard many out there, from pundits to the average Joe asking "Why We Lost". I have heard this from Democrats of all parts of the spectrum as well as many so called Republicans, so I will effort to answer this question.

I have heard all kinds of explanations, from misreading polling data, to angry white men, and they're all wrong. The question now is where to begin. There are a plethora of places to start so lets begin with the Democratic Party.

First lets dispel a little misconception, it is the Democratic party that supported slavery, while the republicans supported civil rights, the Democratic party supported segregation, it was a Democrat Colonel that started the KKK as a Military wing of the Democratic party in the south, targeting not just any random black individual but aspiring black political figures and the Republicans that supported them,this is Historical fact, not supposition, look it up in any history book. What does this have to do with today? The secret to understanding this question is understanding the Democrat party never abandoned slavery, they merely molded it into a 21 century version based on economics instead of race, you see the economics based slavery is so much less messy than slavery based on race, creed or sex. This is where it gets messy, because many of what we call "establishment" Republicans have followed the lead of their left side counterparts and joined the ranks of what are now called the "elites".


If you insist on pointing out the Democrats supported African Slavery, to argue that they are just as bad today, you are being disingenuous. You completely avoid the fact that the issue of Slavery split, first the Democratic Party, and secondly, the nation. More than half the Dems of 1860 opposed secession. (I am fully prepared to debate the issue of slavery and the cause of the Civil War at any time)

The two parties now no longer represent any simplistic view of what they were in 1860. And to say that people earning a wage in the USA are just slaves of another kind, is nothing more than self-serving semantics, and an insult to real slaves who were bought and sold like cattle. If you want to indulge in flamboyant metaphors, take up poetry.
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Reply #4 - Dec 26th, 2016 at 12:03am
 
Maybe, but Joe Biden probably understands the Democrats and it's history better than Hillary



Biden had no illusions about what Hillary was up against

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 25th, 2016 at 4:49am:
In fact, he told the Times, unlike the former first lady, who called Trump’s supporters “irredeemable” and “deplorables,” Biden defended Trump’s voters as regular Americans, like the ones he knew growing up


“They’re all the people I grew up with. They’re their kids. And they’re not racist. They’re not sexist. But we didn’t talk to them,” he said. “I believe that we were not letting an awful lot of people — high school-educated, mostly Caucasian, but also people of color — know that we understood their problems.”

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Reply #5 - Dec 26th, 2016 at 12:37am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Dec 25th, 2016 at 2:21pm:
Joe Biden is of course from the Democrat party of old, wherein dwelt many good centre left people before it was captured by a travelling freak show of unusual exhibits and hucksters.


Joe would have been a better candidate than Hillary (and may be in 2020) but that isn't the point I want to make. It is the GOP that has been captured by a "travelling freak show." It was once a party, not so very long ago, full of reasonable, intelligent, educated men ... it was once a party that actually had intellectuals in its ranks. No more. Can you imagine a man like William Buckley once was the brains of the Republican Party? He and Ronald Reagan would be labeled RINOs and run out on a rail today.
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