this is a good thing.
one of the problems for the children of rich and succesful parents is that they dont get the "evolutionary pressure" put on them which is so neccessary for growth.

The blow torch will be applied and the trump children will have to climb the narrow road to success , just like everyone else. they will have to learn to deal with setbacks, problems, haters, push thru barriers if they are to emerge as a boss gangsta dominator like their dad.

It is not about what you "have", it is about who you "become" on the journey up the "narrow road'.
They could just hire a chopper to take them to the top of the road but that defeats the purpose. if they want to become true "noble rightards", they must maintain focus, grit guts and determination. They cant be falling into a cry baby "frame" like Hilary, her supporters and gregorry and longweekend. They will go into the fire and come out purified. (a leftie goes into the fire and comes out all sad and butt hurt )

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 5:28pm:



this is true but my point is that having to deal with stress, scrutiny, the media, the mobs like or dislike of you will neccessarily force you to draw state from within.
What i mean by "draw state from within" is that when things dont go your way, you will need to stay present to the moment, accept the pain completely and draw happiness from inside of yourself (not from the environment).
this is one of the keys of moving up.
if you always draw state off of the environment, your emotional state is built on sand , because the environment around you will never give you what you want. 
But if you can go thru these painful lessons and still remain present and emotionally stable..then you are so much better off.  You now have the knowledge that you can "take that poo" This builds legitimate self esteem.
its why i say that theory is fine but you need to take "massive action".
And most people wont.
They are "prevention orientated and see only the downside"
They look at a cliff and they dont want to climb it because they only see a fall and getting hurt. they dont see the potential of a view from the top.
its why people stay in bad relationships, bad jobs, bad businesses...they fear pain more then being motivated by gain.
Now Trumps kids are getting some pain, whether they fear it or not..this will only make them stronger if they approach it with the right degree of acceptance

An example of what abusing a power differential can do to the powerless...

It has to be asked what kind of man (a father to a daughter, no less) would use his immense influence to take on someone so clearly unable to fight back and after only the mildest of questions regarding his policies towards women...

How life changed for young woman who challenged Donald Trump

LAUREN Batchelder stood up, took hold of a microphone and plucked up the courage to ask two questions of the now President-elect in front of a packed auditorium.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/how-life-changed-for-young-woman...

social media is what it is, haters gonna hate and nutjobs professing to be from whatever side of the political fence will target those who stupidly make their lives public on social media. We got people killing themselves now because someone calls them fat on facebook. Get a life and get off twitter.

I dont see social media as a communications revolution, I view it as a product of mass consumption cleverly marketed by multi nationals at the young much like cigarettes were and now becoming inter generationally accepted and utilised for political and other advertising purposes. Still poison though.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 12:17am:



yes, but one that is driving us into 'lower consciousness".

heres how humans work NoN, discovered from years of observing how "laziness addiction" destroys lives.

The auto plants in america start to come under pressure.Guys are losing their jobs. Now Micheal Moore could come in and say "hay fellas, you need to improve, learn new skills, study, work hard"  or he can come in and say "you poor guys stuck in a durrrrr state, you are victims, you should feel sorry for yourself, dont change, just get emotional".

So there is an example of a leftie feeding the lower consciousness and laziness addiction.

Now fast forward to Trump, circa 2016.
He could say "fellas, we need everyone to work hard, invent stuff, study, get off of facebook and twitter and improve". But again, he just feeds that victim mentality. he blames the establishment, he manipulates emotions.
Its the same "sh*t".

The new communications thru social media are lower consciousness, they feed into the Durrr state, they are designed for the person addicted to laziness.

Remember i said for every hour of pontificating, you want to be doing 3 hours of taking "massive action".
people wont do that any more.  They can create a fake life on line and take no action and still feed their ego. This is just plain lower consciousness living.

Remember i said being born pretty or rich is paradoxically a disadvantage.
A rich young girl can just post pics of herself on instagram and sit around getting likes for validation.
She probably has a perfectly functioning brain but it is just too hard to go to uni and get validation for studying when you can get it online.

And a lazy little toxic worm can sit in his basement and watch porn...the list goes on.

the internet is making us stupider and lazier.
the consumption of fast food has people in a brain fog .
laziness is destroying lives.

Moore and Trump are just smart enough to be aware of what people have become....addicted to laziness and following the path of least resistance.

People stuck in laziness addiction, fatties, angry welfare recipients, victim groups, non - contributing rich people....they are lost now. They have wandered too far off the narrow road to success. They cannot find their way back.

they are like drug addicts , they are addicted to laziness and bad food and lower consciousness living to such an extent that they will burn jobs, burn relationships, end up homeless and friendless to feed this addiction.

Only one thing can get them out of this state....a massive shock to the system. as long as they can be fed and watered, they wont change. You will now need something of the order of greece but much worse to shock people out of this laziness addiction.
Only a major shake up can provide the evolutionary pressure to get them back on track.
We arent there yet, but we are getting there 

aquascoot wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 6:41am:

You might have just given Nietzsche a hard-on from the grave!

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 7:18am:



my prediction is that we will need a war to shake people out of the Durrr state. I try to keep my family out of the Durrrr state but most of the rest of you feckers just cant vibe with trying to get out of lower consciousness.
People "could" but they wont.
And the universe will always send you the lessons you need to 'evolve".
people wont try to climb unless forced to and only a war will get them off of the titillation and self stimulation of the lower consciousness addictions .
This seems to be the most likely outcome

aquascoot wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 7:35am:

Anthropomorphizing the universe is a dangerous externalisation of one's human condition...

It's, in effect, a substitute for belief in god... In fact, it's barely a substitute as much as it is claptrap New Age nomenclature for god and betrays New Age as religion reprocessed for those who have stopped believing in something, are terrified by believing in nothing and so return to religion and god after a 'trek in the Himalayas', a change of wardrobe and a redefinition of themselves as 'spiritual' as opposed to 'religious'...

aquascoot wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 8:41am:

Then more power to you !

And, no, the fact of one's success is not per se "new age claptrap"

Now... About that 'loan' !

aquascoot wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 8:50am:

The Shallows - the movie (not seen it), The Shallows - The Tim Winton novel (read it)... Seems its a popular metaphor!

aquascoot wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 8:50am:

War is the ugly and an (unfortunately) ineradicable expression of the human condition and is always about power and money.

But don't glorify it or wish it on anyone for any reason.

Sadly, the internet doesnt have to make us dumb but thats what happening for a lot of people. Imagine having access to the greatest repository and source of knowledge in the history of mankind, in fact almost the sum total of human knowledge at your fingertips. I think Aqua is right, we are evolving into 2 different species, fat Steve and smart Steve. Smart Steve is getting smarter by using this tool to evolve and fat Steve is getting fatter, lazier and dumber. If you dont believe this look at some of the debates on this and other forums every day, the simplest scientific concepts are not known or understood by allegedly university educated people but rather than obtain the information which is at their fingertips thereby making them more knowledgable they will argue, connive and use any other means to dispute the simplest of facts. These people are indeed getting dumber and lazier.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 10:01am:
go away little boy, you know full well you stated it was caused by UV light which I corrected you on,.why carry on with this nonsense? who are you playing to?

rhino wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 9:45am:

Have people been talking to each other from either ends of the world, instantaneously for hundreds of thousands of years?

The characterisation of a (cultural/social or communications) revolution is an action / technological change / philosophical change that so alters the way we perceive / interact with each other and the world that life before that time is deemed history and not reconstructable... Like abandoning electricity, cars, telephones and airline travel in favour of candles, horses, pigeons and ships.

Can you honestly imagine social media can now be abandoned... What is it that the world could return to in its place?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 10:34am:
No, as i stated I believe we are evolving into 2 different species, masters of technology and slaves to it.

rhino wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 10:40am:

Always been the way... What the 'Rhinos' of the 18th century probably said of the Industrial Revolution...

aquascoot wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 10:57am:

agreed. And never been a better set of tools available to use, but the analogy i would draw is to a chainsaw. Point it in the wrong direction and your life is stuffed. Just like the internet.

rhino wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 12:36pm:


more good points.

when i say "dont draw state off of your environment" i think NoN misunderstood.
what i am saying is that you have to draw happiness from within.
For a man particularly, you have to have a purpose and not just seek to "feel pleasure" or "get validation".
Its a feminine frame to seek happiness from the environment. Its why girls have pictures of dolphins and unicorns. they draw happiness from their surrounds. they dress up and seek validation by getting "likes" on pictures. anytime you are approval seeking, wanting others to validate you, you are in groupthink and you are in lower consciousness.

a man should be process oriented and on his purpose.
if your purpose is to put up a fence, then you enjoy the process (the journey). you have a feeling when you have finished it of a guy who has "earnt it". now you can kick back and have a beer and you have that smile of a guy who deserves it. the rich guy who pays someone to build his fence doesnt get to have that.
its why the journey must be embraced and not the results. the result is "what you become"...a competant man, not what you get  ' a fence".

i took my 2 daughters surfing and their friends spent 2 hours on the beach trying to get the perfect picture(of themselves posing)  on a rock with a wave breaking, to post as a selfie (to get validation).
Surfing is process orientation and a flow state.
You can enjoy the activity for the activity itself. the selfie is lower consciousness trying to draw happiness off of others reaction.

reaction seeking or validation seeking... lower consciousness. we have some reaction seekers here at ozpol. They should build a fence or go surfing perhaps 

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 3:35pm:



and what is advertising ?

advertising is for the lower consciousness "mob".
advertising relies on groupthink.

despite the fact that aquascoots ideas are universally derided , let us examine more closely and see if those deriding them are the "lower consciousness mob, stuck in group think' to which i refer

what does aquascoot say.
"you live in abundance. you should fall to your knees and weep tears of joy for the abundance in which you live"
this is usually followed by several posts of horses defecating.
what does advertising say.
"you live in scarcity, you dont have enough. you must have more. things are scarce. you must want, you must need."


let us look at the next great lie of advertising.

what does aquascoot say.
you will never attain lasting happiness out of getting things. you think you will but you wont. it is about what you "become", not what you "get". stop being a taker, stop being needy. develop a love of the journey.

what does advertising say
you will be happy when you get stuff, when you get that million, that house that car and you will remain unhappy until you do.


and finally ,
what does aquascoot say
There is a right way and an easy way to do things and the easy way is usually wrong.
dont take a pill to drop weight study nutrition
dont drink alcohol to get high, go surfing

what does advertising say
Take the easy route. you dont want to hit the gym, heres some gimmick called the 7 minute abs.
blah, blah, blah.

now go get a couple of carrots and sit in a maccas and eat them
then go into a computer games store and sit on the floor and read steven coveys 7 habits of highly effective people 

rhino wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 10:40am:


There are two species - but different to yours.

Species one - 'eyes down' looking at their smartphone 24 hours a day. Major cause of death - killed by car while crossing a road without looking.

Species two - 'eyes up' uses a smartphone but knows how to put it down and see the actual world. Major cause of death - old age.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 5:03pm:
Sure, as you wish. My nephew who is a qualified electrician working FIFO routinely asks my sons advice.

rhino wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 5:09pm:


There is a reason Electrical Engineering is a 4 year university degree. I am sure he is clever and knowlegable, but there is a big difference between that an being professional. I train post-graduate environmental workers/scientists. I use exclusively fully qualified and highly experience presenters. It is amazing watching the 'savvy amateurs' in the audience learn massive amounts. There is a big difference between a way that works and the way that is right.

All power to self-taught people as long as they never forget that they are self-taught.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 1:54pm:

Yes, as echoed in multiple religions as various permutations of 'the kingdom within'...

aquascoot wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 4:46pm:

Yes, it's self-evident that advertising is successful only in that it can evoke its desired response from an individual responding emotionally in a predictable way...

Those who are on the (so-called) autistic spectrum are less likely to be predictable in their emotional response.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:01am:

Do you do that often? And why a cucumber?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 10:42am:




Phallic replacement