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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Clinton/Trump - a comparison Dec 9^th, 2016 at 6:07am Trump has been doing a tour of several states, holding big rallies to thank THE PEOPLE for their votes. Clinton is throwing a lavish party thus month in a plush New York venue to thank BIG DONORS who supported her. Says it all really.
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President Elect, The Mechanic Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17501 Gender:	Re: Clinton/Trump - a comparison Reply #1 - Dec 9^th, 2016 at 6:17am will she be wearing her Giorgio Armani jacket worth $12,495 while making a speech about inequality.?
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Reply #2 - Dec 9^th, 2016 at 6:54am

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2016 at 6:07am:

Trump has been doing a tour of several states, holding big rallies to thank THE PEOPLE for their votes.

Clinton is throwing a lavish party thus month in a plush New York venue to thank BIG DONORS who supported her.

Says it all really.

Trump has been thanking his BIG DONORS and supporters by giving them positions within the government.

Says it all really.iii

BTW, his "big" rallies have not been particularly well-attended.

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Reply #4 - Dec 9^th, 2016 at 8:38am

The Trump PolitiFact scorecard

True                      14 (4%)
Mostly True             37 (11%)
Half True                51 (15%)
Mostly False             63 (19%)
False                   113 (33%)
Pants on Fire          61 (18%)

The Clinton PolitiFact scorecard

True                      72 (25%)
Mostly True             76 (26%)
Half True                69 (24%)
Mostly False             40 (14%)
False                      29 (10%)
Pants on Fire          7 (2%)

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 150829 Gender:	Re: Clinton/Trump - a comparison Reply #5 - Dec 9^th, 2016 at 9:27am "Clinton/Trump - a comparison" More voters wanted Clinton as President.
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Reply #6 - Dec 9^th, 2016 at 9:37am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 9^th, 2016 at 8:38am:

The Trump PolitiFact scorecard

True                      14 (4%)
Mostly True             37 (11%)
Half True                51 (15%)
Mostly False             63 (19%)
False                   113 (33%)
Pants on Fire          61 (18%)

The Clinton PolitiFact scorecard

True                      72 (25%)
Mostly True             76 (26%)
Half True                69 (24%)
Mostly False             40 (14%)
False                      29 (10%)
Pants on Fire          7 (2%)

That poll would have been done by using Democrat supporters.
She lost because she was a confirmed crook!

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Reply #7 - Dec 9^th, 2016 at 9:50am

Richdude wrote on Dec 9^th, 2016 at 9:37am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 9^th, 2016 at 8:38am:

The Trump PolitiFact scorecard

True                      14 (4%)
Mostly True             37 (11%)
Half True                51 (15%)
Mostly False             63 (19%)
False                   113 (33%)
Pants on Fire          61 (18%)

The Clinton PolitiFact scorecard

True                      72 (25%)
Mostly True             76 (26%)
Half True                69 (24%)
Mostly False             40 (14%)
False                      29 (10%)
Pants on Fire          7 (2%)

That poll would have been done by using Democrat supporters.
She lost because she was a confirmed crook!

Incorrect.

She lost because of the Electoral College.

More voters wanted her as President.

This is an undeniable fact.

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Reply #8 - Dec 9^th, 2016 at 9:51am

Richdude wrote on Dec 9^th, 2016 at 9:37am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 9^th, 2016 at 8:38am:

The Trump PolitiFact scorecard

True                      14 (4%)
Mostly True             37 (11%)
Half True                51 (15%)
Mostly False             63 (19%)
False                   113 (33%)
Pants on Fire          61 (18%)

The Clinton PolitiFact scorecard

True                      72 (25%)
Mostly True             76 (26%)
Half True                69 (24%)
Mostly False             40 (14%)
False                      29 (10%)
Pants on Fire          7 (2%)

That poll would have been done by using Democrat supporters.
She lost because she was a confirmed crook!

What you mean by 'That poll would have been done'... Is that you don't know its true... Similar to 'The Jews must've done it'

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Re: Clinton/Trump - a comparison
Reply #9 - Dec 9^th, 2016 at 11:34am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 9^th, 2016 at 9:51am:

Richdude wrote on Dec 9^th, 2016 at 9:37am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 9^th, 2016 at 8:38am:

The Trump PolitiFact scorecard

True                      14 (4%)
Mostly True             37 (11%)
Half True                51 (15%)
Mostly False             63 (19%)
False                   113 (33%)
Pants on Fire          61 (18%)

The Clinton PolitiFact scorecard

True                      72 (25%)
Mostly True             76 (26%)
Half True                69 (24%)
Mostly False             40 (14%)
False                      29 (10%)
Pants on Fire          7 (2%)

That poll would have been done by using Democrat supporters.
She lost because she was a confirmed crook!

What you mean by 'That poll would have been done'... Is that you don't know its true... Similar to 'The Jews must've done it'

WTF has this got to do with Jews?
What a crazy SOB are you!
So please nick off!

BTW: My family are Jews and they deny any part of your conspiracy!

What a nutjob!

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Re: Clinton/Trump - a comparison
Reply #10 - Dec 9^th, 2016 at 12:18pm

Richdude wrote on Dec 9^th, 2016 at 11:34am:

WTF has this got to do with Jews?
What a crazy SOB are you!
So please nick off!

BTW: My family are Jews and they deny any part of your conspiracy!

What a nutjob!

The point being, Richdude, when you just make things up and present them as 'fact' to suit your own bias, you're not far removed from a more sinister kind of blame game (i.e. 'The Jews did it').

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Reply #11 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 3:08pm

NorthbyNorth has a particular penchant for playing Anti-Semitic Association, a word game developed by the New Fascist, ie the world wide left.
Its purpose is to attempt to throw sand in the eyes of the common man to blind him to the atrocious mess the left has delivered to country after country for the past 40-50 years.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 61321 Here Gender:	Re: Clinton/Trump - a comparison Reply #12 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 3:54pm Since when does an election looser go on tour ? What a ridiculous comparison. Re: Clinton/Trump - a dishonest meaningless invalid comparison
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Re: Clinton/Trump - a comparison
Reply #13 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 3:55pm

Richdude wrote on Dec 9^th, 2016 at 9:37am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 9^th, 2016 at 8:38am:

The Trump PolitiFact scorecard

True                      14 (4%)
Mostly True             37 (11%)
Half True                51 (15%)
Mostly False             63 (19%)
False                   113 (33%)
Pants on Fire          61 (18%)

The Clinton PolitiFact scorecard

True                      72 (25%)
Mostly True             76 (26%)
Half True                69 (24%)
Mostly False             40 (14%)
False                      29 (10%)
Pants on Fire          7 (2%)

That poll would have been done by using Democrat supporters.
She lost because she was a confirmed crook!

It does not look like a poll, it is a factual analysis of what they have said and or promised.

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Re: Clinton/Trump - a comparison
Reply #14 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 4:03pm

Richdude wrote on Dec 9^th, 2016 at 9:37am:

She lost because she was a confirmed crook!

You didn't notice that trump is a confirmed crook ?

You forgot that he is a self confessed sexual predator or that his first wife accused him of domestic violence and he stands accused of paedophilia in a case where his mate was convicted of it and it is credible that he participated as accused?

Real nice guy to have as President.

Compared to Trump Clinton is Snow White.

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Re: Clinton/Trump - a comparison
Reply #16 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 5:44pm

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2016 at 6:07am:

Trump has been doing a tour of several states, holding big rallies to thank THE PEOPLE for their votes.

Clinton is throwing a lavish party thus month in a plush New York venue to thank BIG DONORS who supported her.

Says it all really.

Donald J. Trump - 306

Hillary Clinton - 232
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Hero states - Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Iowa, Pennsylvania, Florida.

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Re: Clinton/Trump - a comparison
Reply #17 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 5:48pm

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 3:08pm:

the New Fascist, ie the world wide left.

This is the poltical word salad that is often passed off as some kind of pop post-modernist speak... A fascist leftist...

Like authoritarian anarchism or leftist anarchic libertarian conservative...

Word salads are par for the course... For schizophrenics.

Still, like those post-modern text generators... They sometimes offer the authors a sense that they have wriiten something profound... That is until they re-read the text after a week or so.

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Reply #18 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 6:19pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 9^th, 2016 at 8:38am:

The Trump PolitiFact scorecard

True                      14 (4%)
Mostly True             37 (11%)
Half True                51 (15%)
Mostly False             63 (19%)
False                   113 (33%)
Pants on Fire          61 (18%)

The Clinton PolitiFact scorecard

True                      72 (25%)
Mostly True             76 (26%)
Half True                69 (24%)
Mostly False             40 (14%)
False                      29 (10%)
Pants on Fire          7 (2%)

These the same media outlets who were telling us for well over a year that Trump was absolutely unelectable. And now they are spluttering on about 'post-truth', "mostly true, pants on fire"??

You guys have have been thick and stupid enough to get your bearings from the Guardian, Fairfax, ABC and the rest of the bien penstant outlets that turned out to be utterly, completely wrong. You even thought Barry Cassidy was worth tuning in to, ferchrissake. What a dam joke you guys are - truth surveys after you completely missed the boat???

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Reply #19 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 6:34pm

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 9^th, 2016 at 8:38am:

The Trump PolitiFact scorecard

True                      14 (4%)
Mostly True             37 (11%)
Half True                51 (15%)
Mostly False             63 (19%)
False                   113 (33%)
Pants on Fire          61 (18%)

The Clinton PolitiFact scorecard

True                      72 (25%)
Mostly True             76 (26%)
Half True                69 (24%)
Mostly False             40 (14%)
False                      29 (10%)
Pants on Fire          7 (2%)

These the same media outlets who were telling us for well over a year that Trump was absolutely unelectable. And now they are spluttering on about 'post-truth', "mostly true, pants on fire"??

You guys have have been thick and stupid enough to get your bearings from the Guardian, Fairfax, ABC and the rest of the bien penstant outlets that turned out to be utterly, completely wrong. You even thought Barry Cassidy was worth tuning in to, ferchrissake. What a dam joke you guys are - truth surveys after you completely missed the boat???

Im not quite sure why you have a problem with admitting that Trump lied blatantly and often during the election. That is an undeniable fact that even his campaign now admits. Its pointless to deny it since it is provably so. And thats before we get the the incredible promises he made which he will break.

My favourite is 'drain the swamp' and instead he is putting billionaires into cabinet.

Way, were you all conned and conned badly.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 57187 Gender:	Re: Clinton/Trump - a comparison Reply #20 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 7:41pm longweekend58 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 6:34pm: Im not quite sure why you have a problem with admitting that Trump lied blatantly and often during the election. That is an undeniable fact that even his campaign now admits. I missed that. You must have the source, shurely.
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Reply #21 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 8:57pm

Trump is a non-drinker.

Hillary .......... well .........

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..........An Aug. 2015 email from communications aide Jennifer Palmieri instructs campaign chairman John Podesta to locate and sober Hillary up so that she can return or respond to documents that were emailed to her hours before.

“I think you should call her and sober her up some,” Palmieri said.

The Wikileaks email chain between Palmieri and Podesta shows that Clinton was not reachable throughout the entire afternoon on Aug 8. Additionally, other emails released by Wikileaks and Judicial Watch indicate Clinton sleeps well into mid afternoon on many days and as secretary of state, overslept and missed key national security meetings and daily briefings.

New York Times national reporter Amy Chozick covered the Clinton’s vicious primary campaign in 2008 against Barack Obama. In a 2015 profile for ABC News about Clinton, Chozick said she was surprised how much booze Clinton swilled on the campaign trail. Chozick said:

“Hmm. She likes to drink. We were on the campaign trail in 2008 and the press thought she was just taking shots to pander to voters in Pennsylvania. Um, no.”

Clinton family insider and campaign manager at the time in 2008, Terry McAuliffe, now governor of Virginia, concurred:

“She loves to sit, throw ’em back. So to me this is nothin’ new,” McAuliffe said. “We all hear about the story that she and John McCain actually had a shot contest, I think in the Ukraine or somewhere around the world. And she actually beat John McCain in a shot contest. She’s a girl from Illinois who likes to throw ’em down with the rest of us.”...........

http://truepundit.com/secret-service-security-detail-hillary-clinton-was-drunk-t...

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Reply #22 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 9:01pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 8:57pm:

Trump is a non-drinker.

Where as Twump snorts cocaine by the bag full..

(*sniff sniff*) by Agnes

Hillary .......... well .........

Quote:

..........An Aug. 2015 email from communications aide Jennifer Palmieri instructs campaign chairman John Podesta to locate and sober Hillary up so that she can return or respond to documents that were emailed to her hours before.

“I think you should call her and sober her up some,” Palmieri said.

The Wikileaks email chain between Palmieri and Podesta shows that Clinton was not reachable throughout the entire afternoon on Aug 8. Additionally, other emails released by Wikileaks and Judicial Watch indicate Clinton sleeps well into mid afternoon on many days and as secretary of state, overslept and missed key national security meetings and daily briefings.

New York Times national reporter Amy Chozick covered the Clinton’s vicious primary campaign in 2008 against Barack Obama. In a 2015 profile for ABC News about Clinton, Chozick said she was surprised how much booze Clinton swilled on the campaign trail. Chozick said:

“Hmm. She likes to drink. We were on the campaign trail in 2008 and the press thought she was just taking shots to pander to voters in Pennsylvania. Um, no.”

Clinton family insider and campaign manager at the time in 2008, Terry McAuliffe, now governor of Virginia, concurred:

“She loves to sit, throw ’em back. So to me this is nothin’ new,” McAuliffe said. “We all hear about the story that she and John McCain actually had a shot contest, I think in the Ukraine or somewhere around the world. And she actually beat John McCain in a shot contest. She’s a girl from Illinois who likes to throw ’em down with the rest of us.”...........

http://truepundit.com/secret-service-security-detail-hillary-clinton-was-drunk-t...

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Reply #25 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 9:32pm

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 7:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

Im not quite sure why you have a problem with admitting that Trump lied blatantly and often during the election. That is an undeniable fact that even his campaign now admits.

I missed that.

You must have the source, shurely.

No surprise you missed every justified criticism of Trump, something to do with you didn't want to know.
This one is also true - remember his campaign manager saying that he just said what he wanted to say and much of it was not right, in fact it turns out that the majority of it wasn't true.

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Reply #26 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 9:41pm

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2016 at 6:07am:

Trump has been doing a tour of several states, holding big rallies to thank THE PEOPLE for their votes.

Clinton is throwing a lavish party thus month in a plush New York venue to thank BIG DONORS who supported her.

Says it all really.

Expressing gratitude and appreciation for something given to us, really counts in my book.

Perhaps Donald J Trump will indeed be a good POTUS.

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Reply #27 - Dec 12^th, 2016 at 1:21am

Yadda wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 9:41pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2016 at 6:07am:

Trump has been doing a tour of several states, holding big rallies to thank THE PEOPLE for their votes.

Clinton is throwing a lavish party thus month in a plush New York venue to thank BIG DONORS who supported her.

Says it all really.

Expressing gratitude and appreciation

for something given to us, really counts in my book.

Perhaps Donald J Trump will indeed be a good POTUS.

Yes he has acknowledged his past mistakes as distinct from Hillary. She has to get plastered to drown her conscious.

Big difference with Trump is he is not a "Grover". The sick twisted pedophiles who visit the Bohemian Grove. Trump was invited but being disgusted refused. Good move Donald - then those villains would really have had something on you.

Check out "pizagate" to see whose Trumps real enemies are.

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Reply #28 - Dec 12^th, 2016 at 6:11am

Trump is just a dominator.
The women around Trump are sources of good clean feminine energy.

The left has always been the home of the ugly women ( who couldnt make the cut with the alpha males) and the beta males (who had their asses kicked in life by the alpha males).

Americans love their celebrities, their beautiful people, they love a winner.

Dominant guys who are executors, men of action and crushing it in life, combined with beautiful chicks who are high status, glamourous, have sex appeal...this is the bread and butter of the right and this is the bread and butter of america and this is the bread and butter of social media.
Just get an instagram account and look at the followers for the cocky entrepreneurs like Tai Lopez and the babes.

No one wants to follow ugly women and whiney men.
Lefty women are notorious for their ugliness (helen clark, angela merkel, gillard, joan kirner, palozchuck, cheryl kernot, jenny macklin....need i go on ).

These people wouldnt get an instagram following.
No one wants a snap chat from a leftie woman.
No one wants Hilary to be posting pics of herself in her one piece bathing suit, lying on the beach in miami.

The internet ( the new place for winners) is going to be dominated by the beautiful people.

All the lefty losers can head over to the ABC and SBS and vibe with the losers. You can all have a big circel jerk about leftism.

success, winning, aspiration, greatness, ambition, taking risks, blasting thru barriers, crushing it in life.....this is the american narrative. Trump understands his people because business people have to know their market.
lefty losers are in low vibration energy, very beige, very "suck the air out of the room"...no one wants to know. The public simply arent going to buy your bland and boring crap anymore.
The whole democratic party should book themselves into a Tony Robbins seminar and stay there till they are able to come out bursting with positivity

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Reply #29 - Dec 12^th, 2016 at 9:12am

aquascoot wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 6:11am:

Dominant guys who are executors, men of action and crushing it in life, combined with beautiful chicks who are high status, glamourous, have sex appeal...this is the bread and butter of the right and this is the bread and butter of america and this is the bread and butter of social media.
Just get an instagram account and look at the followers for the cocky entrepreneurs like Tai Lopez and the babes.

Gotta say... It may be a hyperbolic word-salad but its visual... Like a Talking Heads classic...

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Reply #31 - Dec 12^th, 2016 at 9:58am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 9:12am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 6:11am:

Dominant guys who are executors, men of action and crushing it in life, combined with beautiful chicks who are high status, glamourous, have sex appeal...this is the bread and butter of the right and this is the bread and butter of america and this is the bread and butter of social media.
Just get an instagram account and look at the followers for the cocky entrepreneurs like Tai Lopez and the babes.

Gotta say... It may be a hyperbolic word-salad but its visual... Like a Talking Heads classic...

word salad...i get accused of that a bit.
i'm a simple businessman and farmer.

Have you read the Kaballian NoN?

In it you will find a very profound law.
Its called the "Law of Use".

What the law of use states is that people who learn too much theory and dont put it to "use" will be punished.
They get "stuck in their heads" and they are lost to bringing "present energy".
In short , they think too much and this stifles them and leads to inertia.

Have you ever spoken to a farmer.
You will find most (not all) are pretty grounded and pretty "present to the moment".

Like Trump, they have 1000's of hours of "action".

Action and activity grounds people, they get that intolerance for theoretical BS . If Hilary went and spoke to a farmer, spoke about all her theories, she'd probably just be met with a "wry smile".

Yes , we need knowledge but for every hour of theory , i would recommend 3 hours of activity.

Trump has been very "active" starting all those businesses.
This is a good thing. This is what grounds you. This is where a man becomes present. People can feel this. They can tell a man who has been thru the fire and they can tell a man who has "hoarded knowledge" and not taken action. And they will punish the man who violates the "law of use" Wink

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Reply #32 - Dec 12^th, 2016 at 11:14am

aquascoot wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 9:58am:

Have you read the Kaballian NoN?

In it you will find a very profound law.
Its called the "Law of Use".

Do you mean the Kybalion?

No, but I have read very similar texts espousing similar 'laws' when I was in my teens and twenties... I grew out of 'New Age' because I finally saw it to be (how can I put it) generally 'the whimsy of the affluent', in that its easy believe the universe is a conscious and benign 'entity' when you want for nothing... The idea of 'right to riches' or a cosmological 'law of reciprocity' (whereby the affluent cryptically justify their good-fortune in, what is effectively, a genetic lotto as being 'divinely ordained' - a right once arrogated by kings), I find unconvincing and elitist.

I could go on, but... no.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 9:58am:

Have you ever spoken to a farmer.
You will find most (not all) are pretty grounded and pretty "present to the moment".

Yes, I have spoken to a few farmers in my time and, yes, they are generally the most laconic and grounded people you could meet.

It appears to me from your posts that you certainly don't fit the farmer stereotype!

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Reply #33 - Dec 12^th, 2016 at 11:31am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 11:14am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 9:58am:

Have you read the Kaballian NoN?

In it you will find a very profound law.
Its called the "Law of Use".

Do you mean the Kybalion?

No, but I have read very similar texts espousing similar 'laws' when I was in my teens and twenties... I grew out of 'New Age' because I finally saw it to be (how can I put it) generally 'the whimsy of the affluent', in that its easy believe the universe is a conscious and benign 'entity' when you want for nothing... The idea of 'right to riches' or a cosmological 'law of reciprocity' (whereby the affluent cryptically justify their good-fortune in, what is effectively, a genetic lotto as being 'divinely ordained' - a right once arrogated by kings), I find unconvincing and elitist.

I could go on, but... no.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 9:58am:

Have you ever spoken to a farmer.
You will find most (not all) are pretty grounded and pretty "present to the moment".

Yes, I have spoken to a few farmers in my time and, yes, they are generally the most laconic and grounded people you could meet.

It appears to me from your posts that you certainly don't fit the farmer stereotype!

That sounds more like The Secret.

being grounded in your own reality is the key to climbing the narrow road to success.
It doesnt matter if you are a bit aspergers or mildly autistic.
In fact, these things have given me a huge advantage in business , because i dont go at things like the mob do.
Trump, like myself, probably sees the need for chaos to keep oneself engaged.
I dont accept the arguement that trumps business failings are a bad thing, i see them as a blessing.
You want to grow? get out there and fail a lot Wink

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Reply #34 - Dec 12^th, 2016 at 11:33am

aquascoot wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 9:58am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 9:12am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 6:11am:

Dominant guys who are executors, men of action and crushing it in life, combined with beautiful chicks who are high status, glamourous, have sex appeal...this is the bread and butter of the right and this is the bread and butter of america and this is the bread and butter of social media.
Just get an instagram account and look at the followers for the cocky entrepreneurs like Tai Lopez and the babes.

Gotta say... It may be a hyperbolic word-salad but its visual... Like a Talking Heads classic...

word salad...i get accused of that a bit.
i'm a simple businessman and farmer.

Have you read the Kaballian NoN?

In it you will find a very profound law.
Its called the "Law of Use".

What the law of use states is that people who learn too much theory and dont put it to "use" will be punished.
They get "stuck in their heads" and they are lost to bringing "present energy".
In short , they think too much and this stifles them and leads to inertia.

Have you ever spoken to a farmer.
You will find most (not all) are pretty grounded and pretty "present to the moment".

Like Trump, they have 1000's of hours of "action".

Action and activity grounds people, they get that intolerance for theoretical BS . If Hilary went and spoke to a farmer, spoke about all her theories, she'd probably just be met with a "wry smile".

Yes , we need knowledge but for every hour of theory , i would recommend 3 hours of activity.

Trump has been very "active" starting all those businesses.
This is a good thing. This is what grounds you. This is where a man becomes present. People can feel this. They can tell a man who has been thru the fire and they can tell a man who has "hoarded knowledge" and not taken action. And they will punish the man who violates the "law of use" Wink

SImple trying to punch above his intellectual weight.

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Reply #35 - Dec 12^th, 2016 at 11:48am

aquascoot wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 11:31am:

It doesnt matter if you are a bit aspergers or mildly autistic.

Ahhh... I see... It all becomes clear!!

I have worked within IT organisations in my time and have met quite a few Asperger's people and have enjoyed their contributions to discussions... I even read a lot in the website "wrong planet" to understand them better...

One thing's for sure - they are generally not cynically Machiavellian like many 'normals' I have worked with.

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Reply #36 - Dec 12^th, 2016 at 12:02pm

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 7:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

Im not quite sure why you have a problem with admitting that Trump lied blatantly and often during the election. That is an undeniable fact that even his campaign now admits.

I missed that.

You must have the source, shurely.

If you need proof of that then I would suggest you are incapable of understanding it. It became one of the great stories of the campaign that Trump repeatedly lied and his supporters just accepted it. Even the Trump campaign now says it was the medias fault for quoting what Trump actually said, claiming that not everything said in a campaign is literally true,

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Reply #37 - Dec 12^th, 2016 at 12:12pm

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 7:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

Im not quite sure why you have a problem with admitting that Trump lied blatantly and often during the election. That is an undeniable fact that even his campaign now admits.

I missed that.

You must have the source, shurely.

Trump Campaign Manager Has A Meltdown And Admits Trump Makes Up His Own Facts

"During an interview on MSNBC's Morning Joe, Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway admitted that Donald Trump doesn't care about the truth, and makes up his own facts."

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Reply #38 - Dec 12^th, 2016 at 12:16pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 12:12pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 7:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

Im not quite sure why you have a problem with admitting that Trump lied blatantly and often during the election. That is an undeniable fact that even his campaign now admits.

I missed that.

You must have the source, shurely.

Trump Campaign Manager Has A Meltdown And Admits Trump Makes Up His Own Facts

"During an interview on MSNBC's Morning Joe, Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway admitted that Donald Trump doesn't care about the truth, and makes up his own facts."

Now watch the Trumpites deny that was actually said...

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Reply #40 - Dec 13^th, 2016 at 7:54pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 9^th, 2016 at 8:38am:

The Trump PolitiFact scorecard

True                      14 (4%)
Mostly True             37 (11%)
Half True                51 (15%)
Mostly False             63 (19%)
False                   113 (33%)
Pants on Fire          61 (18%)

The Clinton PolitiFact scorecard

True                      72 (25%)
Mostly True             76 (26%)
Half True                69 (24%)
Mostly False             40 (14%)
False                      29 (10%)
Pants on Fire          7 (2%)

These the same media outlets who were telling us for well over a year that Trump was absolutely unelectable. And now they are spluttering on about 'post-truth', "mostly true, pants on fire"??

You guys have have been thick and stupid enough to get your bearings from the Guardian, Fairfax, ABC and the rest of the bien penstant outlets that turned out to be utterly, completely wrong. You even thought Barry Cassidy was worth tuning in to, ferchrissake. What a dam joke you guys are - truth surveys after you completely missed the boat???

Im not quite sure why you have a problem with admitting that Trump lied blatantly and often during the election. That is an undeniable fact that even his campaign now admits. Its pointless to deny it since it is provably so. And thats before we get the the incredible promises he made which he will break.

My favourite is 'drain the swamp' and instead he is putting billionaires into cabinet.

Way, were you all conned and conned badly.

If Trump lied then everyone lied.

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Reply #43 - Dec 13^th, 2016 at 8:19pm

Frank wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 7:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 9^th, 2016 at 8:38am:

The Trump PolitiFact scorecard

True                      14 (4%)
Mostly True             37 (11%)
Half True                51 (15%)
Mostly False             63 (19%)
False                   113 (33%)
Pants on Fire          61 (18%)

The Clinton PolitiFact scorecard

True                      72 (25%)
Mostly True             76 (26%)
Half True                69 (24%)
Mostly False             40 (14%)
False                      29 (10%)
Pants on Fire          7 (2%)

These the same media outlets who were telling us for well over a year that Trump was absolutely unelectable. And now they are spluttering on about 'post-truth', "mostly true, pants on fire"??

You guys have have been thick and stupid enough to get your bearings from the Guardian, Fairfax, ABC and the rest of the bien penstant outlets that turned out to be utterly, completely wrong. You even thought Barry Cassidy was worth tuning in to, ferchrissake. What a dam joke you guys are - truth surveys after you completely missed the boat???

Im not quite sure why you have a problem with admitting that Trump lied blatantly and often during the election. That is an undeniable fact that even his campaign now admits. Its pointless to deny it since it is provably so. And thats before we get the the incredible promises he made which he will break.

My favourite is 'drain the swamp' and instead he is putting billionaires into cabinet.

Way, were you all conned and conned badly.

If Trump lied then everyone lied.

Look at the chart in this topic. 15% of what Trump said was true compared to 51% of what Clinton said.

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Trump is President Elect for less than a month and .........

Quote:

.............."So there's no question about cessation of hostilities, or humanitarian operations. The Syrian government has established control over east Aleppo so now the stage has come for practical humanitarian initiatives."
At the same time, sources inside Aleppo tell CNN a ceasefire and evacuation agreement has been reached in the beleaguered eastern part of the city.
Journalist and resident Karam al-Masri, who is in Aleppo, told CNN Tuesday that residents received cell phone messages from rebel leaders announcing a ceasefire.................

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/12/middleeast/aleppo-syria-government-gains/index...

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Reply #50 - Dec 14^th, 2016 at 10:39pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 12:12pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 7:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

Im not quite sure why you have a problem with admitting that Trump lied blatantly and often during the election. That is an undeniable fact that even his campaign now admits.

I missed that.

You must have the source, shurely.

Trump Campaign Manager Has A Meltdown And Admits Trump Makes Up His Own Facts

"During an interview on MSNBC's Morning Joe, Trump campaign manager

Kellyanne Conway admitted that Donald Trump doesn't care about the truth, and makes up his own facts."

No Conway did not say that.

The report is in fact a lie from people desperate to smear Trump anyway they can.

Greg are you paid by the post or by the month? Apparently you can't get another job? Your endless drivel is annoying!

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