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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 150829 Gender:	Re: Clinton/Trump - a comparison Reply #30 - Dec 12^th, 2016 at 9:36am Richdude wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 1:21am: Big difference with Trump is he is not a "Grover". The sick twisted pedophiles who visit the Bohemian Grove.
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Re: Clinton/Trump - a comparison
Reply #31 - Dec 12^th, 2016 at 9:58am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 9:12am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 6:11am:

Dominant guys who are executors, men of action and crushing it in life, combined with beautiful chicks who are high status, glamourous, have sex appeal...this is the bread and butter of the right and this is the bread and butter of america and this is the bread and butter of social media.
Just get an instagram account and look at the followers for the cocky entrepreneurs like Tai Lopez and the babes.

Gotta say... It may be a hyperbolic word-salad but its visual... Like a Talking Heads classic...

word salad...i get accused of that a bit.
i'm a simple businessman and farmer.

Have you read the Kaballian NoN?

In it you will find a very profound law.
Its called the "Law of Use".

What the law of use states is that people who learn too much theory and dont put it to "use" will be punished.
They get "stuck in their heads" and they are lost to bringing "present energy".
In short , they think too much and this stifles them and leads to inertia.

Have you ever spoken to a farmer.
You will find most (not all) are pretty grounded and pretty "present to the moment".

Like Trump, they have 1000's of hours of "action".

Action and activity grounds people, they get that intolerance for theoretical BS . If Hilary went and spoke to a farmer, spoke about all her theories, she'd probably just be met with a "wry smile".

Yes , we need knowledge but for every hour of theory , i would recommend 3 hours of activity.

Trump has been very "active" starting all those businesses.
This is a good thing. This is what grounds you. This is where a man becomes present. People can feel this. They can tell a man who has been thru the fire and they can tell a man who has "hoarded knowledge" and not taken action. And they will punish the man who violates the "law of use" Wink

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Reply #32 - Dec 12^th, 2016 at 11:14am

aquascoot wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 9:58am:

Have you read the Kaballian NoN?

In it you will find a very profound law.
Its called the "Law of Use".

Do you mean the Kybalion?

No, but I have read very similar texts espousing similar 'laws' when I was in my teens and twenties... I grew out of 'New Age' because I finally saw it to be (how can I put it) generally 'the whimsy of the affluent', in that its easy believe the universe is a conscious and benign 'entity' when you want for nothing... The idea of 'right to riches' or a cosmological 'law of reciprocity' (whereby the affluent cryptically justify their good-fortune in, what is effectively, a genetic lotto as being 'divinely ordained' - a right once arrogated by kings), I find unconvincing and elitist.

I could go on, but... no.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 9:58am:

Have you ever spoken to a farmer.
You will find most (not all) are pretty grounded and pretty "present to the moment".

Yes, I have spoken to a few farmers in my time and, yes, they are generally the most laconic and grounded people you could meet.

It appears to me from your posts that you certainly don't fit the farmer stereotype!

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Re: Clinton/Trump - a comparison
Reply #33 - Dec 12^th, 2016 at 11:31am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 11:14am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 9:58am:

Have you read the Kaballian NoN?

In it you will find a very profound law.
Its called the "Law of Use".

Do you mean the Kybalion?

No, but I have read very similar texts espousing similar 'laws' when I was in my teens and twenties... I grew out of 'New Age' because I finally saw it to be (how can I put it) generally 'the whimsy of the affluent', in that its easy believe the universe is a conscious and benign 'entity' when you want for nothing... The idea of 'right to riches' or a cosmological 'law of reciprocity' (whereby the affluent cryptically justify their good-fortune in, what is effectively, a genetic lotto as being 'divinely ordained' - a right once arrogated by kings), I find unconvincing and elitist.

I could go on, but... no.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 9:58am:

Have you ever spoken to a farmer.
You will find most (not all) are pretty grounded and pretty "present to the moment".

Yes, I have spoken to a few farmers in my time and, yes, they are generally the most laconic and grounded people you could meet.

It appears to me from your posts that you certainly don't fit the farmer stereotype!

That sounds more like The Secret.

being grounded in your own reality is the key to climbing the narrow road to success.
It doesnt matter if you are a bit aspergers or mildly autistic.
In fact, these things have given me a huge advantage in business , because i dont go at things like the mob do.
Trump, like myself, probably sees the need for chaos to keep oneself engaged.
I dont accept the arguement that trumps business failings are a bad thing, i see them as a blessing.
You want to grow? get out there and fail a lot Wink

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Re: Clinton/Trump - a comparison
Reply #34 - Dec 12^th, 2016 at 11:33am

aquascoot wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 9:58am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 9:12am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 6:11am:

Dominant guys who are executors, men of action and crushing it in life, combined with beautiful chicks who are high status, glamourous, have sex appeal...this is the bread and butter of the right and this is the bread and butter of america and this is the bread and butter of social media.
Just get an instagram account and look at the followers for the cocky entrepreneurs like Tai Lopez and the babes.

Gotta say... It may be a hyperbolic word-salad but its visual... Like a Talking Heads classic...

word salad...i get accused of that a bit.
i'm a simple businessman and farmer.

Have you read the Kaballian NoN?

In it you will find a very profound law.
Its called the "Law of Use".

What the law of use states is that people who learn too much theory and dont put it to "use" will be punished.
They get "stuck in their heads" and they are lost to bringing "present energy".
In short , they think too much and this stifles them and leads to inertia.

Have you ever spoken to a farmer.
You will find most (not all) are pretty grounded and pretty "present to the moment".

Like Trump, they have 1000's of hours of "action".

Action and activity grounds people, they get that intolerance for theoretical BS . If Hilary went and spoke to a farmer, spoke about all her theories, she'd probably just be met with a "wry smile".

Yes , we need knowledge but for every hour of theory , i would recommend 3 hours of activity.

Trump has been very "active" starting all those businesses.
This is a good thing. This is what grounds you. This is where a man becomes present. People can feel this. They can tell a man who has been thru the fire and they can tell a man who has "hoarded knowledge" and not taken action. And they will punish the man who violates the "law of use" Wink

SImple trying to punch above his intellectual weight.

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Re: Clinton/Trump - a comparison
Reply #35 - Dec 12^th, 2016 at 11:48am

aquascoot wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 11:31am:

It doesnt matter if you are a bit aspergers or mildly autistic.

Ahhh... I see... It all becomes clear!!

I have worked within IT organisations in my time and have met quite a few Asperger's people and have enjoyed their contributions to discussions... I even read a lot in the website "wrong planet" to understand them better...

One thing's for sure - they are generally not cynically Machiavellian like many 'normals' I have worked with.

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Re: Clinton/Trump - a comparison
Reply #36 - Dec 12^th, 2016 at 12:02pm

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 7:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

Im not quite sure why you have a problem with admitting that Trump lied blatantly and often during the election. That is an undeniable fact that even his campaign now admits.

I missed that.

You must have the source, shurely.

If you need proof of that then I would suggest you are incapable of understanding it. It became one of the great stories of the campaign that Trump repeatedly lied and his supporters just accepted it. Even the Trump campaign now says it was the medias fault for quoting what Trump actually said, claiming that not everything said in a campaign is literally true,

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Reply #37 - Dec 12^th, 2016 at 12:12pm

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 7:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

Im not quite sure why you have a problem with admitting that Trump lied blatantly and often during the election. That is an undeniable fact that even his campaign now admits.

I missed that.

You must have the source, shurely.

Trump Campaign Manager Has A Meltdown And Admits Trump Makes Up His Own Facts

"During an interview on MSNBC's Morning Joe, Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway admitted that Donald Trump doesn't care about the truth, and makes up his own facts."

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Re: Clinton/Trump - a comparison
Reply #38 - Dec 12^th, 2016 at 12:16pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 12:12pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 7:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

Im not quite sure why you have a problem with admitting that Trump lied blatantly and often during the election. That is an undeniable fact that even his campaign now admits.

I missed that.

You must have the source, shurely.

Trump Campaign Manager Has A Meltdown And Admits Trump Makes Up His Own Facts

"During an interview on MSNBC's Morning Joe, Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway admitted that Donald Trump doesn't care about the truth, and makes up his own facts."

Now watch the Trumpites deny that was actually said...

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Re: Clinton/Trump - a comparison
Reply #40 - Dec 13^th, 2016 at 7:54pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 9^th, 2016 at 8:38am:

The Trump PolitiFact scorecard

True                      14 (4%)
Mostly True             37 (11%)
Half True                51 (15%)
Mostly False             63 (19%)
False                   113 (33%)
Pants on Fire          61 (18%)

The Clinton PolitiFact scorecard

True                      72 (25%)
Mostly True             76 (26%)
Half True                69 (24%)
Mostly False             40 (14%)
False                      29 (10%)
Pants on Fire          7 (2%)

These the same media outlets who were telling us for well over a year that Trump was absolutely unelectable. And now they are spluttering on about 'post-truth', "mostly true, pants on fire"??

You guys have have been thick and stupid enough to get your bearings from the Guardian, Fairfax, ABC and the rest of the bien penstant outlets that turned out to be utterly, completely wrong. You even thought Barry Cassidy was worth tuning in to, ferchrissake. What a dam joke you guys are - truth surveys after you completely missed the boat???

Im not quite sure why you have a problem with admitting that Trump lied blatantly and often during the election. That is an undeniable fact that even his campaign now admits. Its pointless to deny it since it is provably so. And thats before we get the the incredible promises he made which he will break.

My favourite is 'drain the swamp' and instead he is putting billionaires into cabinet.

Way, were you all conned and conned badly.

If Trump lied then everyone lied.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 150829 Gender:	Re: Clinton/Trump - a comparison Reply #41 - Dec 13^th, 2016 at 7:55pm Frank wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 7:54pm: If Trump lied ...
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Johnnie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12485 Gender:	Re: Clinton/Trump - a comparison Reply #42 - Dec 13^th, 2016 at 8:03pm No comparison. Trump supporters knew of the cunning plan and shut up till voting day.
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Re: Clinton/Trump - a comparison
Reply #43 - Dec 13^th, 2016 at 8:19pm

Frank wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 7:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 9^th, 2016 at 8:38am:

The Trump PolitiFact scorecard

True                      14 (4%)
Mostly True             37 (11%)
Half True                51 (15%)
Mostly False             63 (19%)
False                   113 (33%)
Pants on Fire          61 (18%)

The Clinton PolitiFact scorecard

True                      72 (25%)
Mostly True             76 (26%)
Half True                69 (24%)
Mostly False             40 (14%)
False                      29 (10%)
Pants on Fire          7 (2%)

These the same media outlets who were telling us for well over a year that Trump was absolutely unelectable. And now they are spluttering on about 'post-truth', "mostly true, pants on fire"??

You guys have have been thick and stupid enough to get your bearings from the Guardian, Fairfax, ABC and the rest of the bien penstant outlets that turned out to be utterly, completely wrong. You even thought Barry Cassidy was worth tuning in to, ferchrissake. What a dam joke you guys are - truth surveys after you completely missed the boat???

Im not quite sure why you have a problem with admitting that Trump lied blatantly and often during the election. That is an undeniable fact that even his campaign now admits. Its pointless to deny it since it is provably so. And thats before we get the the incredible promises he made which he will break.

My favourite is 'drain the swamp' and instead he is putting billionaires into cabinet.

Way, were you all conned and conned badly.

If Trump lied then everyone lied.

Look at the chart in this topic. 15% of what Trump said was true compared to 51% of what Clinton said.

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