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Reply #15 - Dec 6^th, 2016 at 6:31pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 6:28pm:

And you clearly don't have a law enforcement background. FIVE investigations have occured and NONE have found her actions to be criminal.

You have to wonder about that.

I'll repost part of my last, as I edited.

""From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. Separate from those, about 2,000 additional e-mails were “up-classified” to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the e-mails were sent."

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james...

Now what was that you were saying about no Top Secret? Wink

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Reply #16 - Dec 6^th, 2016 at 6:43pm

lee wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 6:31pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 6:28pm:

And you clearly don't have a law enforcement background. FIVE investigations have occured and NONE have found her actions to be criminal.

You have to wonder about that.

I'll repost part of my last, as I edited.

""From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. Separate from those, about 2,000 additional e-mails were “up-classified” to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the e-mails were sent."

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james...

Now what was that you were saying about no Top Secret? Wink

You misread what I said. I said that despite all the evidence you think you have and your in-depth 'understanding' of the USA criminal code, the FBI and 3 congressional investigations determined she had not broken any laws. Given that the FBI is stridently anti Clinton and the republican Congress even more so, the fact that her staunch enemies determined that there was no criminality is a powerful statement and one you need to consider.

But why do you feel the intense, even psychopathic need for some kind of revenge on Clinton? She lost and yet you still want to see her bullied and maliciously prosecuted with no chance of a conviction? I understand Trump and his single-digit supporters doing this since snot is more intelligent (and useful), but I expect better of you. I certainly expect you to show some grace.

What do you think happens if Trump tries to get Clinton before a Court? More importantly, what happens in 4 years after Trump so damages the Republican brand that there is a Democrat President and a Democrat Congress. The gloves will be off and every senior Republican of the last 20 years can expect to be investigated as many times as needed to get a conviction - 20 times if necessary.

Be very careful and wary of the precedents you put in place.

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Reply #17 - Dec 6^th, 2016 at 6:47pm

lee wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 6:31pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 6:28pm:

And you clearly don't have a law enforcement background. FIVE investigations have occured and NONE have found her actions to be criminal.

You have to wonder about that.

I'll repost part of my last, as I edited.

""From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. Separate from those, about 2,000 additional e-mails were “up-classified” to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the e-mails were sent."

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james...

Now what was that you were saying about no Top Secret? Wink

But raping a 13yo is of no consequence? And let's not forget the SELF-CONFESSED sexual assault of many women. And the literal 4000 lawsuits he has faced and the extraordinary degree of business malfeasance he has committed.

You make him sound like Ghandi when he is far closer to Hitler. He even has an idiotic hairstyle like Hitler and the same ability to make people believe BS and then thank him as he screws them over.

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Reply #18 - Dec 6^th, 2016 at 7:11pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 6:47pm:

You make him sound like Ghandi when he is far closer to Hitler. He even has an idiotic hairstyle like Hitler and the same ability to make people believe BS and then thank him as he screws them over.

If you can find even one statement I have made lauding Trump, please provide it.

I have said that both of them were poor choices.

Just because I thing Hilary is a poor choice, doesn't mean I think Trump is better.

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Reply #19 - Dec 6^th, 2016 at 7:15pm

lee wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 7:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 6:47pm:

You make him sound like Ghandi when he is far closer to Hitler. He even has an idiotic hairstyle like Hitler and the same ability to make people believe BS and then thank him as he screws them over.

If you can find even one statement I have made lauding Trump, please provide it.

I have said that both of them were poor choices.

Just because I thing Hilary is a poor choice, doesn't mean I think Trump is better.

If you truly believe that then you would let the CLinton email server thing go, but you keep bringing it up. And you keep bringing up Clintons actions while ignoring Trump and pound-for-pound, Trump has far more skeletons and a lot more criminality in his life.

I judge you to be a Trump supporter by virtue of no evidence to the contrary. There is lots to criticise about Clinton but also lots to praise for her public service. But in Trumps case, there is even more to criticise and zero to praise in terms of public service. But you condemn the former and not the latter.

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Reply #20 - Dec 6^th, 2016 at 7:22pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 6:43pm:

You misread what I said. I said that despite all the evidence you think you have and your in-depth 'understanding' of the USA criminal code, the FBI and 3 congressional investigations determined she had not broken any laws.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 11:45am:

nor was any top-secret material compromised.

By putting Top Secret material etc on her computer it was compromised.

"Warning: Judge James Boasberg (pictured) said that the recently discovered Clinton emails could be opened up to the public - but warned it could take five years to do"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3915212/Clinton-emails-Anthony-Weiner-s-...

What were Clinton's emails doing on Wiener's computer? They could only have come from Hilary's server. What level of classification is open, but they certainly should not have been there.

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Reply #21 - Dec 6^th, 2016 at 7:25pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 7:15pm:

I judge you to be a Trump supporter by virtue of no evidence to the contrary.

Your judgement has always been suspect.

All this despite the fact I said neither were good choices.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 7:15pm:

But you condemn the former and not the latter.

Because I come from a security background.

I judge you to be an idiot, with plenty of evidence to support it.

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Reply #23 - Dec 6^th, 2016 at 7:30pm

lee wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 7:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 6:43pm:

You misread what I said. I said that despite all the evidence you think you have and your in-depth 'understanding' of the USA criminal code, the FBI and 3 congressional investigations determined she had not broken any laws.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 11:45am:

nor was any top-secret material compromised.

By putting Top Secret material etc on her computer it was compromised.

"Warning: Judge James Boasberg (pictured) said that the recently discovered Clinton emails could be opened up to the public - but warned it could take five years to do"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3915212/Clinton-emails-Anthony-Weiner-s-...

What were Clinton's emails doing on Wiener's computer? They could only have come from Hilary's server. What level of classification is open, but they certainly should not have been there.

And there you are right back on Clinton again. Forget Trumps sordid actions and his criminal acts in business or the fact he lies his butt off everytime he talks. Its far more important to pathologically fixate on a woman whose political life and career are over and to talk about emails that have long been gone over with a fine tooth comb.

I am calling you out as a Trump supporter because you act precisely as one, giving Trump a free pass over his many, many, many sins while fixating on Clintons.

You cannot be impartial as you claim and then act with partiality. You are a Trump supporter and I for one, am both surprised and disappointed.

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Reply #24 - Dec 6^th, 2016 at 8:09pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

.....................And there you are right back on Clinton again. Forget Trumps sordid actions and his criminal acts in business or the fact he lies his butt off everytime he talks. Its far more important to pathologically fixate on a woman whose political life and career are over and to talk about emails that have long been gone over with a fine tooth comb.

I am calling you out as a Trump supporter because you act precisely as one, giving Trump a free pass over his many, many, many sins while fixating on Clintons.

You cannot be impartial as you claim and then act with partiality. You are a Trump supporter and I for one, am both surprised and disappointed.

He is a trump supporter ??

ANd, what is wrong with that ?

I have rarely read such pompus phrases.

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Reply #25 - Dec 6^th, 2016 at 9:34pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

You are a Trump supporter and I for one, am both surprised and disappointed.

Well, I guess even with my protestations of innocence you'll remain convinced.

Too bad. Bye.

BTW - the thread is about Clinton not being cleared. Nothing to do with Trump. So why would I comment on Trump here?

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Reply #26 - Dec 6^th, 2016 at 10:13pm

lee wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 9:34pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

You are a Trump supporter and I for one, am both surprised and disappointed.

Well, I guess even with my protestations of innocence you'll remain convinced.

Too bad. Bye.

BTW - the thread is about Clinton not being cleared. Nothing to do with Trump. So why would I comment on Trump here?

Have you read the FBI reports ?

They explain a lot of the reasoning behind their decision that there is nothing to prosecute.

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Reply #27 - Dec 6^th, 2016 at 10:17pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 10:13pm:

Have you read the FBI reports ?

They explain a lot of the reasoning behind their decision that there is nothing to prosecute.

Of course, Having classified documents on an unsecure server, is so safe. The reasons are superfluous. One rule for Joe Blow and a different one for the political elite.

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Reply #28 - Dec 6^th, 2016 at 10:18pm

Clinton not cleared yet

I am not a big fan of Clinton but there is no way that she is as evil as some people like to make out.

Anyway why would any of those critics care?

Isn't she going to die in the next few weeks anyway ? Isn't that how sick she is ?

Or maybe nobody really believes all that election campaign baloney.

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Reply #29 - Dec 6^th, 2016 at 10:31pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 10:18pm:

Clinton not cleared yet

I am not a big fan of Clinton but there is no way that she is as evil as some people like to make out.

Anyway why would any of those critics care?

Isn't she going to die in the next few weeks anyway ? Isn't that how sick she is ?

Or maybe nobody really believes all that election campaign baloney.

Who cares about her personally? I just hate the hypocritical stance people take on National Security.

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