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Re: Where is PHON ey Pauline- Barrier Reef
Reply #15 - Nov 30^th, 2016 at 9:37pm

lee wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 9:19pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 9:05pm:

lee wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 11:11am:

I have seen no evidence that marine scientists have drilled etc, to determine he coral being dead or alive. All I have seen is stories of its being bleached, which does not indicate coral death.

Coral and algae live in a symbiotic relationship. Coral do eject the algae. Algae can repopulate bleached coral.

They don't need to drill to determine that the coral has died. They just need to survey the coral a few months later. Which they have done. If the coral is still bleached then it is dead because coral can only survive a limited time without it's algae.

Even if the coral does survive and it is repopulated by it's algae it is still stressed and it's reproduction is adversely affected.

Yes it takes longer to recover.

They are saying it will take 10-15 years to recover. New corals grow on old dead corals.

And what happens if we have another bleaching event with in the next 10-15 years?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21589 Gender:	Re: Where is PHON ey Pauline- Barrier Reef Reply #16 - Nov 30^th, 2016 at 10:40pm The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 9:37pm: And what happens if we have another bleaching event with in the next 10-15 years? It gets delayed. Albeit with the increase that occurs in the interim. You really need to read up on coral spawning.
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Reply #17 - Nov 30^th, 2016 at 11:08pm

lee wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 10:40pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 9:37pm:

And what happens if we have another bleaching event with in the next 10-15 years?

It gets delayed. Albeit with the increase that occurs in the interim.

You really need to read up on coral spawning.

You really need to read up on population curves and extinction events.

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Reply #18 - Dec 1^st, 2016 at 11:18am

TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 11:08pm:

lee wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 10:40pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 9:37pm:

And what happens if we have another bleaching event with in the next 10-15 years?

It gets delayed. Albeit with the increase that occurs in the interim.

You really need to read up on coral spawning.

You really need to read up on population curves and extinction events.

yes. Now show me the study that says we are anywhere near an extinction event for corals., which BTW have been around for about 500 million years. Where it has been both warmer and cooler than current.

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Reply #19 - Dec 2^nd, 2016 at 6:03pm

lee wrote on Dec 1^st, 2016 at 11:18am:

TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 11:08pm:

lee wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 10:40pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 9:37pm:

And what happens if we have another bleaching event with in the next 10-15 years?

It gets delayed. Albeit with the increase that occurs in the interim.

You really need to read up on coral spawning.

You really need to read up on population curves and extinction events.

yes. Now show me the study that says we are anywhere near an extinction event for corals., which BTW have been around for about 500 million years. Where it has been both warmer and cooler than current.

I don't have to show you anything!

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21589 Gender:	Re: Where is PHON ey Pauline- Barrier Reef Reply #20 - Dec 2^nd, 2016 at 6:34pm TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2016 at 6:03pm: I don't have to show you anything! Of course not. What makes it impossible is you have nothing to show.
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Reply #21 - Dec 4^th, 2016 at 10:23am

It always amuses me how defensive the AGW deniers are about this issue.

Surely if humans arn't responsible for the global warming we are currently experiencing then we arn't responsible for the bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef either. So why does Pauline Hanson need to make that ridiculous visit to a cherry picked healthy part of the southern reef?

It is almost as if it is a reflex action by the extreme right wing to immediately reject anything scientific that relates to the environment

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Reply #22 - Dec 4^th, 2016 at 10:37am

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 4^th, 2016 at 10:23am:

So why does Pauline Hanson need to make that ridiculous visit to a cherry picked healthy part of the southern reef?

It does show the reef can recover. Remember it was bleached in 2005-6.

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 4^th, 2016 at 10:23am:

Surely if humans arn't responsible for the global warming we are currently experiencing then we arn't responsible for the bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef either.

You did get that bit right. I have commented on other threads that merely because bleaching wasn't reported until the 1980's, it does not mean it has never happened before.

Corals have been around for about 500 million years, where it has been warmer and cooler than now.

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Reply #23 - Dec 4^th, 2016 at 6:24pm

From interview with Valerie Taylor..

“In 1965 we went from one end of the reef to the other, over six months, and we found bleaching then. In the ’70s we went back and you’d never know it had happened. The coral had recovered; nature had taken care of it. I’ve seen reefs in PNG that were as white as snow and I’ve just come back from there and they’re terrific”.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/life/weekend-australian-magazine/valerie-taylor-...

1965? Well before AGW.

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Pho Huc Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 985 Victoria Gender:	Re: Where is PHON ey Pauline- Barrier Reef Reply #24 - Dec 14^th, 2016 at 2:40pm Out of interest Lee, do you have any formal education? You seem to have a very deep understanding of multiple scientific disciplines.
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Reply #25 - Dec 14^th, 2016 at 2:41pm

lee wrote on Dec 4^th, 2016 at 6:24pm:

From interview with Valerie Taylor..

“In 1965 we went from one end of the reef to the other, over six months, and we found bleaching then. In the ’70s we went back and you’d never know it had happened. The coral had recovered; nature had taken care of it. I’ve seen reefs in PNG that were as white as snow and I’ve just come back from there and they’re terrific”.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/life/weekend-australian-magazine/valerie-taylor-...

1965? Well before AGW.

Actually AGW comfortably predates 1965, but im sure you know that.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21589 Gender:	Re: Where is PHON ey Pauline- Barrier Reef Reply #26 - Dec 14^th, 2016 at 5:29pm Pho Huc wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 2:40pm: Out of interest Lee, do you have any formal education? You seem to have a very deep understanding of multiple scientific disciplines. yes
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Re: Where is PHON ey Pauline- Barrier Reef
Reply #27 - Dec 14^th, 2016 at 5:33pm

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 2:41pm:

Actually AGW comfortably predates 1965, but im sure you know that.

Citation needed. Wink

Apart from which the peer reviewed articles on "Climate science" ^TM, only support bleaching since 1980.

Of course if you have any proof of bleaching prior to 1965, I a sure you will enlighten us.

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Re: Where is PHON ey Pauline- Barrier Reef
Reply #28 - Dec 14^th, 2016 at 8:32pm

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 2:40pm:

Out of interest Lee, do you have any formal education?
You seem to have a very deep understanding of multiple scientific disciplines.

Only when it suits him
Pho Huc you are going to discover that lee has a very dishonest style of debate. He is deliberately ignorant when it suits his argument. You will also find that he will respond to every single post about global warming without fail.
I'm convinced he is a paid shill from either a conservative organisation or a resources company

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Re: Where is PHON ey Pauline- Barrier Reef
Reply #29 - Dec 14^th, 2016 at 8:47pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 4^th, 2016 at 10:23am:

It always amuses me how defensive the AGW deniers are about this issue.

Surely if humans arn't responsible for the global warming we are currently experiencing then we arn't responsible for the bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef either. So why does Pauline Hanson need to make that ridiculous visit to a cherry picked healthy part of the southern reef?

It is almost as if it is a reflex action by the extreme right wing to immediately reject anything scientific that relates to the environment

It's a get out of jail free card to make sure the knobs don't actually give you too much power.

They are their for reasons of immigration debate only. They are a dog whistle party.

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