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Nov 25th, 2016 at 6:37am
 
In the interests of moving on presumably, The Donald has made several remarks like he's just not interested in pursuing Hillary and " I don't want to see her hurt". And of course he may know  more thanwe do about how sick she is.

But a GOP member of the House Judiciary Committee has rightly pointed out that Congress has an oversight duty that must be fulfilled to see that there is equal treatment under the law. He said that there are clear indications the laws on records may have been broken in the case of the emails on Hillary's server and also there are matters relating to the Clinton Foundation.

The President can pardon if he wants to, tthat's his prerogative, but he should not even suggest to his AG that a matter should not be pursued. That's what people like Obama do.

Or, to sum up, let the law take its course and grind the bastards down.
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Reply #1 - Nov 25th, 2016 at 8:08am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 6:37am:
The President can pardon if he wants to, tthat's his prerogative, but he should not even suggest to his AG that a matter should not be pursued. That's what people like Obama do.

More like something that Nixon did.
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Reply #2 - Nov 25th, 2016 at 11:46am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 6:37am:
In the interests of moving on presumably, The Donald has made several remarks like he's just not interested in pursuing Hillary and " I don't want to see her hurt". And of course he may know  more thanwe do about how sick she is.

But a GOP member of the House Judiciary Committee has rightly pointed out that Congress has an oversight duty that must be fulfilled to see that there is equal treatment under the law. He said that there are clear indications the laws on records may have been broken in the case of the emails on Hillary's server and also there are matters relating to the Clinton Foundation.

The President can pardon if he wants to, that's his prerogative, but he should not even suggest to his AG that a matter should not be pursued. That's what people like Obama do.

Or, to sum up, let the law take its course and grind the bastards down.


Be careful what you ask for. Trump is before the courts on fraud and racketeering. He has been accused of sexual assault. If Trumps opponents wanted to get down and dirty trump will spend his entire term fighting legal and possible criminal charges. If Trump had half a brain - which he doesnt - or had good political advisers - which he doesnt - he would let The clinton issue go. After all there has already been FIVE investigations into the matter, all of which said there was no criminality. Would you like to be charged with a serious offence and be continueally tried and found innocent only for it to continue yet again?  At some point, due process has to be understood to have had an end otherwise it is no more than intimidation.
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Reply #3 - Nov 25th, 2016 at 5:16pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 8:08am:
bogarde73 wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 6:37am:

The President can pardon if he wants to, that's his prerogative,
but he should not even suggest to his AG that a matter should not be pursued. That's what people like Obama do.

More like something that Nixon did.


Right point in time, wrong President......It was President Gerald Ford that pardoned President Nixon.....President Nixon didn't/couldn't pardon himself.


The lead up to the end for Nixon:


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The Saturday Night Massacre was the term used by political commentators[1] to refer to U.S. President Richard Nixon's dismissal of independent special prosecutor Archibald Cox, and as a result the resignations of Attorney General Elliot Richardson and Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus on October 20, 1973, during the Watergate scandal.[2][3]
History

Richardson appointed Cox in May of that year, after having given assurances to the House Judiciary Committee that he would appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the events surrounding the Watergate break-in of June 17, 1972. The appointment was created as a Career Reserved position in the Justice department, which meant (a) it came under the authority of the Attorney General, and (b) the incumbent could not be removed for any reason other than "for cause" (e.g. gross improprieties or malfeasance in office). Richardson had, in his confirmation hearings before the U.S. Senate, given the explicit promise not to use his authority to dismiss the Watergate Special Prosecutor, unless for cause.

When Cox issued a subpoena to President Nixon, asking for copies of taped conversations recorded in the Oval Office and authorized by Nixon, the President initially refused to comply. On Friday, October 19, 1973, Nixon offered what was later known as the Stennis Compromise—asking the infamously hard-of-hearing Senator John C. Stennis of Mississippi to review and summarize the tapes for the special prosecutor's office. Cox refused the compromise that same evening and it was believed that there would be a short rest in the legal maneuvering while government offices were closed for the weekend.

However, on the following day (a Saturday) Nixon ordered Attorney General Richardson to fire Cox. Richardson refused, and resigned in protest. Nixon then ordered Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus to fire Cox. He also refused and resigned.[4][5]

Nixon then ordered the Solicitor General, Robert Bork (as acting head of the Justice Department), to fire Cox. Both Richardson and Ruckelshaus had given personal assurances to Congressional oversight committees that they would not interfere, but Bork had not. Although Bork would later claim that he believed Nixon's order to be valid and appropriate, he still considered resigning to avoid being "perceived as a man who did the President's bidding to save my job."[6] Nevertheless, having been brought to the White House by limousine and sworn in as Acting Attorney General, Bork wrote the letter firing Cox.[7] Initially, the White House claimed to have fired Ruckelshaus, but as The Washington Post article written the next day pointed out, "The letter from the President to Bork also said Ruckelshaus resigned."

On November 14, 1973, federal District Judge Gerhard A. Gesell ruled that the dismissal of Cox was illegal, in the absence of a finding of extraordinary impropriety as specified in the regulation establishing the special prosecutor's office.[8] Congress was infuriated by the act, which was seen as a gross abuse of presidential power. The public sent in an unusually large number of telegrams to both the White House and Congress.[9][10] Less than a week after the Saturday Night Massacre, an Oliver Quayle poll for NBC News showed that for the first time, a plurality of U.S. citizens now supported impeachment of Nixon, with 44% in favor, 43% opposed, and 13% undecided, with a sampling error of 2 to 3 percent.[11] In the days that followed, numerous resolutions of impeachment against the president were introduced in Congress......
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Reply #4 - Nov 25th, 2016 at 5:27pm
 
Panther wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 5:16pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 8:08am:
bogarde73 wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 6:37am:

The President can pardon if he wants to, that's his prerogative,
but he should not even suggest to his AG that a matter should not be pursued. That's what people like Obama do.

More like something that Nixon did.


Right point in time, wrong President......It was President Gerald Ford that pardoned President Nixon.....President Nixon didn't/couldn't pardon himself.

Yeah... Was referring to President Nixon 'ordering' the CIA to request that the FBI call off its investigation of the Watergate break-in.

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Reply #5 - Nov 25th, 2016 at 6:07pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 5:27pm:
Panther wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 5:16pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 8:08am:
bogarde73 wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 6:37am:

The President can pardon if he wants to, that's his prerogative,
but he should not even suggest to his AG that a matter should not be pursued. That's what people like Obama do.

More like something that Nixon did.


Right point in time, wrong President......It was President Gerald Ford that pardoned President Nixon.....President Nixon didn't/couldn't pardon himself.

Yeah... Was referring to President Nixon 'ordering' the CIA to request that the FBI call off its investigation of the Watergate break-in.



That's amazing because the CIA isn't supposed to have any say over what happens on home turf, their only domain is international. The FBI is exactly the opposite, their home turf is National, & do not investigate internationally.

The CIA has no executive jurisdiction over the FBI, & vice versa. So if Nixon was seriously pitting one against the other, he had already lost the plot, & his "cheese was sliding off his cracker"........ Grin

   
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Reply #6 - Nov 25th, 2016 at 6:11pm
 

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 6:37am:
The President can pardon if he wants to, that's his prerogative, but
he should not even suggest to his AG that a matter should not be pursued.
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Reply #7 - Nov 25th, 2016 at 6:18pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 6:11pm:
bogarde73 wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 6:37am:
The President can pardon if he wants to, that's his prerogative, but
he should not even suggest to his AG that a matter should not be pursued.
.......



I agree


Maybe this time Bill will meet her at the ball game over a box of cracker jack!?
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Reply #8 - Nov 25th, 2016 at 6:22pm
 
Panther wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 6:07pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 5:27pm:
Panther wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 5:16pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 8:08am:
bogarde73 wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 6:37am:

The President can pardon if he wants to, that's his prerogative,
but he should not even suggest to his AG that a matter should not be pursued. That's what people like Obama do.

More like something that Nixon did.


Right point in time, wrong President......It was President Gerald Ford that pardoned President Nixon.....President Nixon didn't/couldn't pardon himself.

Yeah... Was referring to President Nixon 'ordering' the CIA to request that the FBI call off its investigation of the Watergate break-in.



That's amazing because the CIA isn't supposed to have any say over what happens on home turf, their only domain is international. The FBI is exactly the opposite, their home turf is National, & do not investigate internationally.

The CIA has no executive jurisdiction over the FBI, & vice versa. So if Nixon was seriously pitting one against the other, he had already lost the plot, & his "cheese was sliding off his cracker"........ Grin

   

Yes. He was trying to deceive the CIA into considering watergate a national security issue as opposed to a political one.
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Reply #9 - Nov 25th, 2016 at 6:23pm
 

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..........He said that there are clear indications the laws on records may have been broken in the case of the emails on Hillary's server and also there are matters relating to the Clinton Foundation.............


If that is the case that is up to the US legal system.
There should be NO political interference
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Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 6:23pm:
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..........He said that there are clear indications the laws on records may have been broken in the case of the emails on Hillary's server and also there are matters relating to the Clinton Foundation.............


If that is the case that is up to the US legal system.
There should be NO political interference


There's already been FIVE investigations. At what point do you determine that the case is over?
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Longie - that's up to the legal system.

5 investigations ........ I never knew that.
Probably the political system has repeatedly intervened to prosecute a political enemy against the legal system OR the political system has repeatedly intervened to protect a political ally against the legal system.
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longweekend58 wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 6:32pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 6:23pm:
bogarde

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..........He said that there are clear indications the laws on records may have been broken in the case of the emails on Hillary's server and also there are matters relating to the Clinton Foundation.............


If that is the case that is up to the US legal system.
There should be NO political interference


There's already been FIVE investigations. At what point do you determine that the case is over?


I believe the US Justice Department investigated Al Capone over 30 times........& then they finally got him after the last investigation.....for tax evasion. There isn't any magic number, & it may take 30 years, but it will be over when the fat lady sings....not a moment before..
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Reply #13 - Nov 25th, 2016 at 7:51pm
 
Panther wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 7:46pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 6:32pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 6:23pm:
bogarde

Quote:
..........He said that there are clear indications the laws on records may have been broken in the case of the emails on Hillary's server and also there are matters relating to the Clinton Foundation.............


If that is the case that is up to the US legal system.
There should be NO political interference


There's already been FIVE investigations. At what point do you determine that the case is over?


I believe the US Justice Department investigated Al Capone over 30 times........& then they finally got him after the last investigation.....for tax evasion. There isn't any magic number, & it may take 30 years, but it will be over when the fat lady sings....not a moment before..
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Indeed.

Whether it be for his alleged raping of children, or the allegations of fraud, Trump will be sent to prison eventually.

Unless, of course, he dies first.

Either scenario is fine by me, though.

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Reply #14 - Nov 25th, 2016 at 7:52pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 7:51pm:
Panther wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 7:46pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 6:32pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 6:23pm:
bogarde

Quote:
..........He said that there are clear indications the laws on records may have been broken in the case of the emails on Hillary's server and also there are matters relating to the Clinton Foundation.............


If that is the case that is up to the US legal system.
There should be NO political interference


There's already been FIVE investigations. At what point do you determine that the case is over?


I believe the US Justice Department investigated Al Capone over 30 times........& then they finally got him after the last investigation.....for tax evasion. There isn't any magic number, & it may take 30 years, but it will be over when the fat lady sings....not a moment before..
http://www.33sm.ml/smileys/chuckle002.gif



Indeed.

Whether it be for his alleged raping of children, or the allegations of fraud, Trump will be sent to prison eventually.

Unless, of course, he dies first.

Either scenario is fine by me, though.



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