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Re: Why did hillary lose so badly
Reply #75 - Nov 30^th, 2016 at 8:09am

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2016 at 11:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2016 at 1:53pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 28^th, 2016 at 12:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2016 at 12:35pm:

Clinton's lead of more than 2 million votes continues to increase.

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Not quite the right answer ...

Look closely at the thread title.

"Why did hillary lose so badly"?

She didn't.

She's winning the popular vote by more than 2 million votes.

I seem to recall you wet dreaming over these links (below) about predictions of Electoral College votes in Clintons favor .... Not so enthusiastic now? what did you say about the E/College after the election?

I said that Trump won the election, thanks to the Electoral College.

However, more people voted for Clinton, thus, America didn't get the President they wanted.

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Re: Why did hillary lose so badly
Reply #76 - Nov 30^th, 2016 at 8:20am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 8:02am:

when i say i welcome our new Chinese overlords, it is from the frame that i am a successful guy and i will enjoy watching the chinese masters deal out the harsh discipline and brutal work ethic to our scrubby citizens.
But NoN, as a leftie intellectual, you SURELY arent suggesting all those mediocre durrrrr state numpties that the left molly coddle and supplicate to are going to enjoy chinese influence. they are going to hate it.
they are going to hate the chinese like a fat kid hates being put on a green vegetable juice diet and made to run laps of the oval Wink

You're presuming (of course) that the Chinese will naturally want to advance the fortunes of the (accidental) Anglo-Saxon antipodeans over the ascendancy of ethnic Chinese and south-east Asians?

I'd guess the Chinese don't consider Tony Robbins (a just-add-water 'Hollywood healer' in the tradition of the belt-it-out primal-screaming Arthur Yanov), as the bromantic love-partner philosopher-king that you do...

Theirs would be more of a sino-centric Asiatic forged by 5000 years of civilisation, given literary expression by Buddhism and Confucianism, whose inherited, collective sense of self has just been awoken after 500 years of political, scientific, social and cultural stagnation... I'd be betting that the fortunes of the non-Chinese would not be high on the Chinese agenda nor rank in their thinking...

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Re: Why did hillary lose so badly
Reply #77 - Nov 30^th, 2016 at 8:24am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 8:20am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 8:02am:

when i say i welcome our new Chinese overlords, it is from the frame that i am a successful guy and i will enjoy watching the chinese masters deal out the harsh discipline and brutal work ethic to our scrubby citizens.
But NoN, as a leftie intellectual, you SURELY arent suggesting all those mediocre durrrrr state numpties that the left molly coddle and supplicate to are going to enjoy chinese influence. they are going to hate it.
they are going to hate the chinese like a fat kid hates being put on a green vegetable juice diet and made to run laps of the oval Wink

You're presuming (of course) that the Chinese will naturally want to advance the fortunes of the (accidental) Anglo-Saxon antipodeans over the ascendancy of ethnic Chinese and south-east Asians?

I'd guess the Chinese don't consider Tony Robbins (a just-add-water 'Hollywood healer' in the tradition of the belt-it-out primal-screaming Arthur Yanov), as the bromantic love-partner philosopher-king that you do...

Theirs would be more of a sino-centric Asiatic forged by 5000 years of civilisation, given literary expression by Buddhism and Confucianism, whose inherited, collective sense of self has just been awoken after 500 years of political, scientific, social and cultural stagnation... I'd be betting that the fortunes of the non-Chinese would not be high on the Chinese agenda nor rank in their thinking...

exactly north, the americans are like rowdy mates at a BBQ, just vibing with us aussie home-boys.

the chinese will turn up at your BBQ, start checking out the bedrooms and bathrooms, buy the joint, and employ you to clean the dunny and then not pay your sorry a*ss.
the leftie scrubs better get used to scrounging chow mein scraps from the dumpsters

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Re: Why did hillary lose so badly
Reply #80 - Nov 30^th, 2016 at 9:10am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 8:29am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 8:24am:

the leftie scrubs better get used to scrounging chow mein scraps from the dumpsters

As you might need to when you're in town, away from your desert humpy hideout!

I live almost exclusively surrounded by chinese neighbours in the city and my farm has had chinese visitors. i think i understand their mentality.
Let me just say that they are quite ruthless, very focussed and very much dedicated to seeing their families move up "the narrow road to success".
I try to pass this information on to some of the dumbies in my family but it usually falls on deaf ears.
i see the chinese takeover (well the asian takeover) of australia as fairly inevitable. i vibe with their values.
if you dont bring value in chinese society, you are pretty much a piece of garbage.
All australian citizens be warned...you better bring value and lots of it to the table or you are about to become totally irrelevant.
This is evolutionary pressure to move up.
some evolutionary pressure is about to be put on our population...bring it on .
457 visa holders are just the first wave.
Wait and see what the asians who have citizenship have in store for the scrubby citizens. Disconnect your foxtel and hit the business books Wink

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Re: Why did hillary lose so badly
Reply #81 - Nov 30^th, 2016 at 9:18am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 9:10am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 8:29am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 8:24am:

the leftie scrubs better get used to scrounging chow mein scraps from the dumpsters

As you might need to when you're in town, away from your desert humpy hideout!

I live almost exclusively surrounded by chinese neighbours in the city and my farm has had chinese visitors. i think i understand their mentality.
Let me just say that they are quite ruthless, very focussed and very much dedicated to seeing their families move up "the narrow road to success".
I try to pass this information on to some of the dumbies in my family but it usually falls on deaf ears.
i see the chinese takeover (well the asian takeover) of australia as fairly inevitable. i vibe with their values.
if you dont bring value in chinese society, you are pretty much a piece of garbage.
All australian citizens be warned...you better bring value and lots of it to the table or you are about to become totally irrelevant.
This is evolutionary pressure to move up.
some evolutionary pressure is about to be put on our population...bring it on .
457 visa holders are just the first wave.
Wait and see what the asians who have citizenship have in store for the scrubby citizens. Disconnect your foxtel and hit the business books Wink

You're setting yourself up to be one of their 'useful idiots'.

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Re: Why did hillary lose so badly
Reply #82 - Nov 30^th, 2016 at 9:23am

Nothing to fear about the Chinese on the economic front. Why is America the leading economy in the world? It doesnt have the biggest population. What it does have is INNOVATION. How many new technologies come from anywhere BUT USA? very few. Economic leadership is founding on innovation and hard-work. What was the last genuine technological innovation the Chinese made? FIREWORKS.

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Re: Why did hillary lose so badly
Reply #83 - Nov 30^th, 2016 at 9:25am

This is a worry, just how much can we sell off

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/mining-energy/chinese-make-a-gold-rush-...

MINING & ENERGY
Chinese make a gold rush for $1.3bn Super Pit stake

The Super Pit mine in Kalgoorlie, WA.
The Australian12:00AM November 21, 2016

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Half of Australia’s most famous gold mine will fall into Chinese hands after a little-known group blew Australian bidders out of the water with a $1.3 billion-plus bid for a stake in Kalgoorlie’s Super Pit.

In what is shaping as another stern test for the Foreign Investment Review Board, Minjar Gold — a subsidiary of Shanghai-listed property group Shandong Tyan Home — will buy the 50 per cent Super Pit stake owned by North American mining giant Barrick Gold.

The deal, which is expected to be announced today, is conditional on FIRB approval and will give Minjar a half share of the 800,000 ounces of gold produced from the Super Pit each year.

The storied mine is the latest in a string of Australian assets to attract high-priced takeovers from Chinese interests.

Chinese groups hit heavy political resistance when trying to buy Australian cattle group S. Kidman & Co — the owner of the largest private landholding in Australia — before partnering Australia’s richest woman Gina Rinehart in a successful bid. Scott Morrison in August also blocked Chinese bids for NSW electricity distributor Ausgrid on national interest grounds.

Minjar is understood to have beaten a rival bid from Australia’s biggest gold producer, Newcrest Mining. A successful offer from Newcrest would have returned the Super Pit into Australian hands for the first time since 2002.

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Re: Why did hillary lose so badly
Reply #84 - Nov 30^th, 2016 at 9:28am

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 9:23am:

Nothing to fear about the Chinese on the economic front. Why is America the leading economy in the world? It doesnt have the biggest population. What it does have is INNOVATION. How many new technologies come from anywhere BUT USA? very few. Economic leadership is founding on innovation and hard-work. What was the last genuine technological innovation the Chinese made? FIREWORKS.

But then again there's all those cheaply manufactured goods like:

textiles and electronic equipment, including toys, DVD players, mobile phones, shoes, clothes, food products, sea food, body jewellery, kitchen wares, etc. 50% of cameras, 30% of air conditioners and televisions, 25% of washing machines, and 20% of refrigerators.

Then there's agricultural products and chemicals, half of the world's cement and flat glass, and about a third of its aluminium.

In 2006, China overtook Japan as the second-largest producer of cars and trucks after the United States. Out of the world's five busiest ports in the world, three are in China.

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Re: Why did hillary lose so badly
Reply #85 - Nov 30^th, 2016 at 9:39am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 9:23am:

Nothing to fear about the Chinese on the economic front. Why is America the leading economy in the world? It doesnt have the biggest population. What it does have is INNOVATION. How many new technologies come from anywhere BUT USA? very few. Economic leadership is founding on innovation and hard-work. What was the last genuine technological innovation the Chinese made? FIREWORKS.

But then again there's all those cheaply manufactured goods like:

textiles and electronic equipment, including toys, DVD players, mobile phones, shoes, clothes, food products, sea food, body jewellery, kitchen wares, etc. 50% of cameras, 30% of air conditioners and televisions, 25% of washing machines, and 20% of refrigerators.

Then there's agricultural products and chemicals, half of the world's cement and flat glass, and about a third of its aluminium.

In 2006, China overtook Japan as the second-largest producer of cars and trucks after the United States. Out of the world's five busiest ports in the world, three are in China.

And not one of them were invented by the CHinese and a vast majority of them are counterfeits of western products. My point is that they dont represent a genuine economic threat while they fail to innovate. There is one chinese car that is 100% identical to an american one. Others are merely 98% identical.

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Re: Why did hillary lose so badly
Reply #86 - Nov 30^th, 2016 at 9:52am

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 9:39am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 9:23am:

Nothing to fear about the Chinese on the economic front. Why is America the leading economy in the world? It doesnt have the biggest population. What it does have is INNOVATION. How many new technologies come from anywhere BUT USA? very few. Economic leadership is founding on innovation and hard-work. What was the last genuine technological innovation the Chinese made? FIREWORKS.

But then again there's all those cheaply manufactured goods like:

textiles and electronic equipment, including toys, DVD players, mobile phones, shoes, clothes, food products, sea food, body jewellery, kitchen wares, etc. 50% of cameras, 30% of air conditioners and televisions, 25% of washing machines, and 20% of refrigerators.

Then there's agricultural products and chemicals, half of the world's cement and flat glass, and about a third of its aluminium.

In 2006, China overtook Japan as the second-largest producer of cars and trucks after the United States. Out of the world's five busiest ports in the world, three are in China.

And not one of them were invented by the CHinese and a vast majority of them are counterfeits of western products. My point is that they dont represent a genuine economic threat while they fail to innovate. There is one chinese car that is 100% identical to an american one. Others are merely 98% identical.

True, up to a point.
American "creators' still dominate.
Venture capitalism is alive and well in silicon valley.
But these are global companies and just because Apple, Google, Facebook, Intel , Disney and HBO are world leaders , doesnt mean the money flows back to the american population.
A few americans will climb the "narrow road to success" and follow in Steve Jobs footsteps. But a lot are like our citizens...stuck in a durrrr state, watching endless episodes of "american idol" and living off the borrowed dime, they arent really bringing any value to the table.
Sadly for them, they will be treated like a piece of garbage. i hate to break it to people, this harsh reality of the global economy.

You can be a nice person, a good neighbour, a valubale member of your kids school community, a valuable member of the church.
But if you dont bring value to the marketplace, you are just garbage, your financial situation is about to become garbage and whining to a politician to fix it is foolish.
Dont ask that this was easier, ask that you were better

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Re: Why did hillary lose so badly
Reply #87 - Nov 30^th, 2016 at 9:54am

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 9:39am:

And not one of them were invented by the CHinese and a vast majority of them are counterfeits of western products. My point is that they dont represent a genuine economic threat while they fail to innovate. There is one chinese car that is 100% identical to an american one. Others are merely 98% identical.

You're forgetting that the Chinese 'knock-off' is at least 50% cheaper for the consumer.

The Chinese are also the world's foremost offender without conscience of copyright infringement and right up there on technological/industrial cyber-spying...

It doesn't make a lot of difference who invented a thing... Its who gets it to market cheapest, is the one who wins.

BTW read up on Joseph Needham for an exhaustive history of Chinese innovation.

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Re: Why did hillary lose so badly
Reply #88 - Nov 30^th, 2016 at 10:02am

Agnes wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 12:14am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2016 at 11:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2016 at 1:53pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 28^th, 2016 at 12:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2016 at 12:35pm:

Clinton's lead of more than 2 million votes continues to increase.

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Not quite the right answer ...

Look closely at the thread title.

"Why did hillary lose so badly"?

She didn't.

She's winning the popular vote by more than 2 million votes.

I seem to recall you wet dreaming over these links (below) about predictions of Electoral College votes in Clintons favor .... Not so enthusiastic now? what did you say about the E/College after the election?

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Reply #538 - Nov 7th, 2016 at 10:47am

Prediction: Hillary Clinton to win with at least 274 electoral votes

"With the US presidential campaign in its last hours, it's time to make The Call: Hillary Clinton will be elected president with at least 274 electoral votes."

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Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Reply #540 - Nov 7th, 2016 at 2:39pm

"Our final map has Clinton winning with 352 electoral votes."

http://www.latimes.com/projects/2016-presidential-election-map/

it doesn't matter anymore does it?

It mightn't matter except our resident broken record hasn't yet told us which election system he would like see replace the current indirect E/College of electing presidents

If peccary is satisfied with the way the president is elected, then he/she should shut up saying "America didn't get the President they voted for". If peccary isn't satisfied, then it would be constructive if he/she offered his/her opinion on which system he/she thinks would be better.

So the challenge now for peccary is to articulate a "better" election system for the United States. Offering an idea for another system would be the natural extension in the conversation for someone saying: "America didn't get the president they voted for" (and minor variations of it) over and over

peccary posted that Clinton received direct votes. peccary lied, so don't count on he/she offering anything sensible, honest or rational

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Re: Why did hillary lose so badly
Reply #89 - Nov 30^th, 2016 at 10:06am

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 10:02am:

If peccary is satisfied with the way the president is elected, then he/she should shut up saying "America didn't get the President they voted for". If peccary isn't satisfied, then it would be constructive if he/she offered his/her opinion on which system he/she thinks would be better.

So the challenge now for peccary is to articulate a "better" election system for the United States. Offering an idea for another system would be the natural extension in the conversation for someone saying: "America didn't get the president they voted for" (and minor variations of it) over and over

peccary posted that Clinton received direct votes. peccary lied, so don't count on he/she offering anything sensible, honest or rational

You could try ignoring the subject and moving on...

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