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Re: Clinton robbed: Experts urge election challenge
Reply #15 - Nov 24th, 2016 at 9:15pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 24th, 2016 at 5:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 24th, 2016 at 5:46pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 24th, 2016 at 4:26pm:
Trump has 8 years: the markets have accepted it!


He'll probably serve no more than two.




Is that..... comfortably???




I think his two years will be very uncomfortable, for everyone involved.

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Reply #16 - Nov 25th, 2016 at 12:27pm
 
The progress towards a recount is bolstered by $3 million of donations within hours of opening the request for donations.

The pressure for a recount comes from a discrepancy between paper vote trends and machine vote trends of 7%. Clinton vote trend was lower on machines.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jill-stein-recount-fundraiser_us_58366a41e4b...

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Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein’s call to raise funds to support vote recounts in three key states was met with ease late Wednesday, with the fundraiser quickly exceeding its $2 million goal.

Stein’s press director announced Wednesday afternoon that the Green Party candidate needed an initial $2 million to support recounts in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, three states where President-elect Donald Trump performed better than expected.

Within hours, Stein’s fundraiser rapidly gained traction. Just after 11 p.m. EST, supporters had donated $1.9 million, then it climbed past $2 million before midnight. The goal was surpassed about eight hours after Stein’s announcement was delivered over Facebook Live. Just before 3 a.m. EST, the fund surpassed $2.5 million. By Thursday evening, that total had soared passed $4 million mark.

Stein’s campaign originally set out to raise $2 million by Friday afternoon, in time to meet Wisconsin’s Nov. 25 deadline and $1.1 million filing fee. But the candidate secured enough funds for all of Wisconsin’s, Pennsylvania’s and part of Michigan’s filing fees before Thursday.

The multiple-state effort will take more than the initial request of $2 million, Stein’s campaign wrote on its fundraiser page, which displays a goal of $2.5 million.

“The costs associated with recounts are a function of state law,” Stein’s campaign wrote. “Attorney’s fees are likely to be another $2-3 million, then there are the costs of the statewide recount observers in all three states. The total cost is likely to be $6-7 million.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/11/24/why-are-people-g...

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“This has been a hack-riddled election,” Stein explained. “We have voting machines that are extremely hack-friendly in an election that's been very contentious.”

Stein's fundraising goal was $2.5 million — and donors blew right past it. At that point, as New York magazine first reported, the goal spiked to $4.5 million, and new language on the donation page admitted that costs could rise higher. “The costs associated with recounts are a function of state law,” wrote the Stein campaign. “Attorney's fees are likely to be another $2-3 million, then there are the costs of the statewide recount observers in all three states. The total cost is likely to be $6-7 million.”

It's a lot of money, especially for the Green Party. Stein's 2016 campaign, the party's most electorally potent since 2000, took in $3,509,477 from donors. As of Thursday afternoon, the recount effort had raised $3,875,502. It's the largest donation drive for a third party in history — so what's actually going on?

The Green Party has done this before, to little result. In 2004, when many Democrats asked whether Ohio had been lost to voter suppression, the Green Party teamed up with the Libertarian Party to pay for a recount. David Cobb, the then-presidential candidate for the Green Party, had not even appeared on Ohio's ballot, but he helped raise $150,000 to start the recount process. “Due to widespread reports of irregularities in the Ohio voting process,” said Cobb and Michael Badnarik, the then-presidential candidate for the Libertarian Party, “we are compelled to demand a recount of the Ohio presidential vote. Voting is the heart of the democratic process in which we as a nation put our faith.”

The result: Democrat John F. Kerry gained a bit less than 300 votes on George W. Bush, making virtually no difference in the margin.

The inspiration for the recount: Theories ranging from sketchy to debunked. In 2004, Greg Palast was the most prominent of several analysts arguing that more Ohio voters intended to elect Kerry than Bush, but enough ballots were rejected and spoiled to stop them. He did similar work in the run-up to 2016, warning that voter suppression was going to “steal the vote” in key states.

“Being right never felt so horrid,” Palast wrote after the election.

Palast has celebrated and promoted the new effort, which could turn up additional votes as ballots are re-scanned. But the recount won attention because of an unrelated theory: That electronic voting machines might have been attacked by hackers. The Twitter hashtag #AuditTheVote was trending days before the Stein campaign began, and stories of how machines could be hacked have begun being shared again.

But voting machines can't be hacked from afar, and the people with the most to lose — Democrats, who literally lost — haven't been convinced that machines were hacked. They closely monitored Election Day, with volunteers at every swing state polling place, as is customary.

The Greens themselves have not endorsed any theory of what went wrong. The closest they've come was in Stein's RT interview, where she said “reports have come in from cyber experts, from security experts and others.” There you go...
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Reply #17 - Nov 25th, 2016 at 12:50pm
 
This circus teaches us that we should never give up the traditional paper ballot for computerised voting.
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Reply #18 - Nov 25th, 2016 at 12:52pm
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 24th, 2016 at 4:26pm:
Trump has 8 years: the markets have accepted it!


He has 4 guaranteed years, not 8.
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Reply #19 - Nov 25th, 2016 at 1:21pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 12:50pm:
This circus teaches us that we should never give up the traditional paper ballot for computerised voting.



I dunno! didnt over a thousand paper ones go missing in W.A. not long ago..

and they had to do it all over again.. Roll Eyes
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Reply #20 - Nov 25th, 2016 at 1:25pm
 
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what!   Hillary lost...youse serious?
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Reply #21 - Nov 25th, 2016 at 1:48pm
 
cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 1:25pm:
[im]http://www.bajiroo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/obama-laughing-man-laughing-ann-horn-funny-laugh-people-images-pictures.jpg[/img]

what!   Hillary lost...youse serious?


Have you already finished a box of wine today?
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Re: Clinton robbed: Experts urge election challenge
Reply #22 - Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:14pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 1:48pm:
cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 1:25pm:
[im]http://www.bajiroo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/obama-laughing-man-laughing-ann-horn-funny-laugh-people-images-pictures.jpg[/img]

what!   Hillary lost...youse serious?


Have you already finished a box of wine today?


Yes, and cods' chin is receding more than usual as a result ...
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Re: Clinton robbed: Experts urge election challenge
Reply #23 - Nov 25th, 2016 at 3:09pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 1:48pm:
cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 1:25pm:
[im]http://www.bajiroo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/obama-laughing-man-laughing-ann-horn-funny-laugh-people-images-pictures.jpg[/img]

what!   Hillary lost...youse serious?


Have you already finished a box of wine today?


What a mean-spirited, pusillanimous comment.
Worthy of someone who bites the hand of the country which feeds him.
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