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Clinton robbed: Experts urge election challenge
Nov 24th, 2016 at 1:32pm
 
Results in electronic voting significantly inconsistent with paper ballots. Was POTUS election manipulated or hacked producing a result that surprised even Trump?

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/activists-urge-hillary-clinton-to-c...

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Experts Urge Clinton Campaign to Challenge Election Results in 3 Swing States

Hillary Clinton is being urged by a group of prominent computer scientists and election lawyers to call for a recount in three swing states won by Donald Trump, New York has learned. The group, which includes voting-rights attorney John Bonifaz and J. Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michigan Center for Computer Security and Society, believes they’ve found persuasive evidence that results in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania may have been manipulated or hacked. The group is so far not speaking on the record about their findings and is focused on lobbying the Clinton team in private.

Last Thursday, the activists held a conference call with Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta and campaign general counsel Marc Elias to make their case, according to a source briefed on the call. The academics presented findings showing that in Wisconsin, Clinton received 7 percent fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic-voting machines compared with counties that used optical scanners and paper ballots. Based on this statistical analysis, Clinton may have been denied as many as 30,000 votes; she lost Wisconsin by 27,000. While it’s important to note the group has not found proof of hacking or manipulation, they are arguing to the campaign that the suspicious pattern merits an independent review — especially in light of the fact that the Obama White House has accused the Russian government of hacking the Democratic National Committee.

According to current tallies, Trump has won 290 Electoral College votes to Clinton’s 232, with Michigan’s 16 votes not apportioned because the race there is still too close to call. It would take overturning the results in both Wisconsin (10 Electoral College votes) and Pennsylvania (20 votes), in addition to winning Michigan’s 16, for Clinton to win the Electoral College. There is also the complicating factor of “faithless electors,” or members of the Electoral College who do not vote according to the popular vote in their states. At least six electoral voters have said they would not vote for Trump, despite the fact that he won their states.

The Clinton camp is running out of time to challenge the election. According to one of the activists, the deadline in Wisconsin to file for a recount is Friday; in Pennsylvania, it’s Monday; and Michigan is next Wednesday. Whether Clinton will call for a recount remains unclear. The academics so far have only a circumstantial case that would require not just a recount but a forensic audit of voting machines. Also complicating matters, a senior Clinton adviser said, is that the White House, focused on a smooth transfer of power, does not want Clinton to challenge the election result. Clinton communications director Jennifer Palmieri did not respond to a request for comment. But some Clinton allies are intent on pushing the issue. This afternoon, Huma Abedin’s sister Heba encouraged her Facebook followers to lobby the Justice Department to audit the 2016 vote. “Call the DOJ…and tell them you want the votes audited,” she wrote. “Even if it’s busy, keep calling.”

Update: Halderman has elaborated on his claims in a Medium post published Wednesday morning.
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Reply #1 - Nov 24th, 2016 at 1:36pm
 

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Reply #2 - Nov 24th, 2016 at 1:45pm
 
couldnt agree more.. lets elect CLINTON>.
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Ha Ha Ha Ha . . .you people kill me!
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Reply #4 - Nov 24th, 2016 at 3:35pm
 
Whilst it is certainly a long shot, wouldnt it be incredibly funny to find that after all of Trumps claims about the election being rigged by Democrats that it turns out to actually being rigged - but by Republicans.  It would be great to see him lose the job via a recount - payback for 2000:)
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Reply #5 - Nov 24th, 2016 at 4:20pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 24th, 2016 at 3:35pm:
Whilst it is certainly a long shot, wouldnt it be incredibly funny to find that after all of Trumps claims about the election being rigged by Democrats that it turns out to actually being rigged - but by Republicans.  It would be great to see him lose the job via a recount - payback for 2000:)



It would indeed be incredibly funny.

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Reply #6 - Nov 24th, 2016 at 4:23pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Nov 24th, 2016 at 1:32pm:
Results in electronic voting significantly inconsistent with paper ballots. Was POTUS election manipulated or hacked producing a result that surprised even Trump?

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/activists-urge-hillary-clinton-to-c...

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Experts Urge Clinton Campaign to Challenge Election Results in 3 Swing States

Hillary Clinton is being urged by a group of prominent computer scientists and election lawyers to call for a recount in three swing states won by Donald Trump, New York has learned. The group, which includes voting-rights attorney John Bonifaz and J. Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michigan Center for Computer Security and Society, believes they’ve found persuasive evidence that results in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania may have been manipulated or hacked. The group is so far not speaking on the record about their findings and is focused on lobbying the Clinton team in private.

Last Thursday, the activists held a conference call with Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta and campaign general counsel Marc Elias to make their case, according to a source briefed on the call. The academics presented findings showing that in Wisconsin, Clinton received 7 percent fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic-voting machines compared with counties that used optical scanners and paper ballots. Based on this statistical analysis, Clinton may have been denied as many as 30,000 votes; she lost Wisconsin by 27,000. While it’s important to note the group has not found proof of hacking or manipulation, they are arguing to the campaign that the suspicious pattern merits an independent review — especially in light of the fact that the Obama White House has accused the Russian government of hacking the Democratic National Committee.

According to current tallies, Trump has won 290 Electoral College votes to Clinton’s 232, with Michigan’s 16 votes not apportioned because the race there is still too close to call. It would take overturning the results in both Wisconsin (10 Electoral College votes) and Pennsylvania (20 votes), in addition to winning Michigan’s 16, for Clinton to win the Electoral College. There is also the complicating factor of “faithless electors,” or members of the Electoral College who do not vote according to the popular vote in their states. At least six electoral voters have said they would not vote for Trump, despite the fact that he won their states.

The Clinton camp is running out of time to challenge the election. According to one of the activists, the deadline in Wisconsin to file for a recount is Friday; in Pennsylvania, it’s Monday; and Michigan is next Wednesday. Whether Clinton will call for a recount remains unclear. The academics so far have only a circumstantial case that would require not just a recount but a forensic audit of voting machines. Also complicating matters, a senior Clinton adviser said, is that the White House, focused on a smooth transfer of power, does not want Clinton to challenge the election result. Clinton communications director Jennifer Palmieri did not respond to a request for comment. But some Clinton allies are intent on pushing the issue. This afternoon, Huma Abedin’s sister Heba encouraged her Facebook followers to lobby the Justice Department to audit the 2016 vote. “Call the DOJ…and tell them you want the votes audited,” she wrote. “Even if it’s busy, keep calling.”

Update: Halderman has elaborated on his claims in a Medium post published Wednesday morning.

The shill media robbed america: get over it!

Trump highlighted the shill media and connected it to wall street and loss of jobs!

Game over, Trump has 8 years with the power he won on the back of exposing the shill media and therefore the shill that democracy has become.

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Reply #7 - Nov 24th, 2016 at 4:24pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 24th, 2016 at 4:20pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 24th, 2016 at 3:35pm:
Whilst it is certainly a long shot, wouldnt it be incredibly funny to find that after all of Trumps claims about the election being rigged by Democrats that it turns out to actually being rigged - but by Republicans.  It would be great to see him lose the job via a recount - payback for 2000:)



It would indeed be incredibly funny.



But can you imagine the riots that would occur???  unprecedented and massive. But it is but a pipedream because it requires a recount to change the result in three states - virtually impossible. And there is always the Supreme Court hanging around waiting to order a stop to a recount for reasons of its own - like in 2000.
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Trump has 8 years: the markets have accepted it!
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Reply #9 - Nov 24th, 2016 at 4:40pm
 
There's certainly some possibility of tampering:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aZws98jw67g



https://medium.com/@jhalderm/want-to-know-if-the-election-was-hacked-look-at-the...

Candidate Jill Stein mooting recount

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/fair-election-serious-hard-explain-questio...

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North Carolina

Election night’s official returns had Trump beating Clinton by 178,000 votes and the Democratic Senate candidate also losing by roughy the same margin. In other races in the state, however, such as governor and attorney general, the GOP lost and there is a controversial gubernatorial recount underway in which the Republican incumbent, Gov. Pat McCrory, has accused Democrats of voter fraud.

But beyond that predictably partisan finger-pointing, what happened across the state on Election Day has become the focus of serious concern for the election integrity experts. In one Democratic epicenter, Durham County, the state’s voter registration database and e-poll books tied into it were down, prompting long lines, delays and necessitating people fill out provisional ballots. The data was also scrambled, with voter rolls in the wrong locations, people tagged as voting when they had not, and people not on lists even though they had their state registration cards. Those snafus were reported to election protection call centers.

Computer experts who have tracked electronic voting issues subsequently noticed the Florida-based contractor who managed North Carolina’s voter registration database was VR Systems. Earlier this fall, CNN reported that an unnamed Florida-based voting system vendor was hacked by the Russians. To the best of these experts’ knowledge, VR is the only Florida-based voting system vendor. It also has contracts in Virginia, New York, Illinois, Indiana, California and other states, according to the company’s website.

“Was the shut-down of the electronic poll book system in Durham County the result of a benign malfunction or an intentional hack?” one attorney asked. “And, if it was the latter, who was behind the cyberattack? These questions must be answered immediately, especially if the answers lead to questions about the integrity of the election process in other jurisdictions.”   

Florida

Clinton was ahead in many pre-election polls, but lost in the results reported after Election Day by 120,000 votes. (Each state has a process where counties officially tally all categories of ballots and then the state certifies the results, which can take several weeks.)

As one attorney said, “Tallahassee-based VR Systems was also allegedly hacked. The company provides electronic poll books for a number of jurisdictions which communicate in real time with each county’s voter registration system. According to the company's web site VR Systems serves almost all of Florida's counties and 14 other states."

Wisconsin

Election night’s unofficial returns found Trump ahead of Clinton by 27,000 votes. But Clinton won only counties using all-paper ballots, the computer voting experts said. In the counties using a mix of electronic and paper-based voting systems that President Obama won in 2012, Clinton lost by 1-2 percent. In the Obama counties using all paperless machines, she lost by 10 to 15 percent. (Five percent of the state’s 4.6 million voters, or 230,000 people, cast their ballots on paperless machines, state officials said Wednesday.)

Wisconsin also saw a record numbers of absentee ballots, with 831,000 ballots cast, which was about 30 percent of this fall’s vote. In past years, it was about 20 percent. Of that overall amount, about 134,000 were from people who mailed them in, instead of turning them in at polling places, state officials said.

The questions raised by the election integrity team are twofold. First, did old-school hacking pad Trump’s margin in counties with all-electronic voting systems? Under that scenario, paperless voting systems would be breached and totals changed. Second, was there a sizable effort to pad the absentee ballot voting with phantom voters, created from last summer’s Russian hacks into voter registration databases in other states?

Both of these scenarios would require sophisticated operations, a skeptical former state election director from another state said. Wisconsin’s paperless voting machinery is not online and isn’t programmed online, as a security precaution, meaning someone would have to access the system in key counties from the inside. Second, if hackers put fake voters into Wisconsin’s database and boosted Trump’s absentee totals, the discrepancy between returned paper ballots and electronic totals would be found in a post-election audit. On background, Wisconsin state election officials did not believe these scenarios were possible, describing many intricate steps they take to prevent election tampering...
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TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 24th, 2016 at 4:23pm:
s elaborated on his claims in a Medium post published Wednesday morning.

The shill media robbed america: get over it




the  BORN TO RULE mob will never get over it..

this is only the beginning of the

mourning the death of Hillary..ooppps democracy..

as seen by the left....

you thought Hillary chucked a temper tanny from hell

you havent seen a thing yet.
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Reply #11 - Nov 24th, 2016 at 5:44pm
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 24th, 2016 at 4:26pm:
Trump has 8 years: the markets have accepted it!


Take your hand off it.  Once Trump does the exact opposite of all his idiotic promises, his chances of re-election will be nil. White uneducated bogans may have put him there, but they will push him out just as quick.
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Reply #12 - Nov 24th, 2016 at 5:46pm
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 24th, 2016 at 4:26pm:
Trump has 8 years: the markets have accepted it!


He'll probably serve no more than two.

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Reply #13 - Nov 24th, 2016 at 5:56pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 24th, 2016 at 5:46pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 24th, 2016 at 4:26pm:
Trump has 8 years: the markets have accepted it!


He'll probably serve no more than two.




Is that..... comfortably???



You stupid ninny.


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Reply #14 - Nov 24th, 2016 at 9:07pm
 
With all of Trumps crying about it being rigged I thought from day one that their was very likely that he was spending a lot of money to set it up his way.

Very suspicious to have electronic voting running 7% different from all other forms of voting.
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