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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41327 Gender:	Re: Americans have most hope in a decade Reply #15 - Nov 24^th, 2016 at 11:56am Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 11:54am: For all its many faults, capitalism is what pays everybody's bills, and I have yet to hear of a socialist or communist country that had a Foreign Aid bill amounting to billions each year . X 2
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Marla Gold Member Offline A joint a day keeps the MAGA away Posts: 14684 Colorado Gender:	Re: Americans have most hope in a decade Reply #16 - Nov 24^th, 2016 at 11:58am bogarde73 wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 11:30am: Marla wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 6:07am: Substitute "American" with "Capitalist" Can I get you a ticket to Venezuela or North Korea? You can shut the bugger up. Give me that.
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Reply #17 - Nov 24^th, 2016 at 12:01pm

aquascoot wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 11:47am:

Marla wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 6:07am:

Substitute "American" with "Capitalist"

here on planet earth , there is this thing called the marketplace which i call "reality".

and those are "the facts".

Donald just has to speak the truth.....

"my fellow americans . i am just a civil servant. think of me as a slightly higher paid version of your school principal. i am going to inspire you to make america great. i made Trump Pty Ltd great and what one man can do, all men can do.
here is what you are going to do.
Get off your fat entitled ass*es and start working and hustling like we americans have for the last 200 years .
Invent some sh*t.
Thank you.
Those who dont want to contribute by inventing some sh*t or working their ass off are , from this day forward, to be considered as garbage.
If you dont bring value to the marketplace (or as i call it reality) you are worthless.
I'll see you in 4 years. I'm off to play golf and get my hair done.
Capitalism...making america great."

You must be one of those baby boomers who all of a sudden want to retire "independant!"

Roll Eyes

Yeh, "the marketplace!" Grin

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Reply #18 - Nov 24^th, 2016 at 12:32pm

Gordon wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 7:33am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 7:27am:

Americans have most hope in a decade

yesss.

I remember someone saying the same thing about Abbott. Grin

No. Abbott was only voted in because of the Labor leadership shuffle.
Very few Lib voters actually liked him.
A decent % of Trumps votes came from NOT DEMOCRAT NOT HILLARY.

And if that were so - and it isnt - then Trump would be leading in the popular vote instead of trailing by 2million - a massive margin.

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Reply #19 - Nov 24^th, 2016 at 12:34pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 11:56am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 11:54am:

For all its many faults, capitalism is what pays everybody's bills, and I have yet to hear of a socialist or communist country that had a Foreign Aid bill amounting to billions each year.

Not looking very hard then. Took me all of 5 seconds to confirm Chinas is in the billions.

You might want to look a bit more carefully. China's foreign aid comes with strings - lots of them including military bases and other such things. Western forgien aid doesnt typically come with political strings. So no, foreign aid is still largely a western initiative.

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Reply #20 - Nov 24^th, 2016 at 12:41pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 12:34pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 11:56am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 11:54am:

For all its many faults, capitalism is what pays everybody's bills, and I have yet to hear of a socialist or communist country that had a Foreign Aid bill amounting to billions each year.

Not looking very hard then. Took me all of 5 seconds to confirm Chinas is in the billions.

You might want to look a bit more carefully. China's foreign aid comes with strings - lots of them including military bases and other such things. Western forgien aid doesnt typically come with political strings. So no, foreign aid is still largely a western initiative.

I never mentioned the caveats because herby never bothered. His question was about giving foreign aid. Regardless of why they give money, the fact remains China still gives money

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Reply #21 - Nov 24^th, 2016 at 3:38pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 12:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 12:34pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 11:56am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 11:54am:

For all its many faults, capitalism is what pays everybody's bills, and I have yet to hear of a socialist or communist country that had a Foreign Aid bill amounting to billions each year.

Not looking very hard then. Took me all of 5 seconds to confirm Chinas is in the billions.

You might want to look a bit more carefully. China's foreign aid comes with strings - lots of them including military bases and other such things. Western forgien aid doesnt typically come with political strings. So no, foreign aid is still largely a western initiative.

I never mentioned the caveats because herby never bothered. His question was about giving foreign aid. Regardless of why they give money, the fact remains China still gives money

But a proper comparison really does need to discuss those attached strings. Foreign aid given in exchange for access to certain materials or ports etc is not aid per se but rather a commercial enticement or a flat-out bribe.

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Reply #22 - Nov 25^th, 2016 at 11:07am

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 5:49am:

Bloomberg:

It's not just the S&P500/Dow that have spiked.
A Uni of Michigan survey shows that, across a number of measures, there has been a surge in hopes & expectations of both American consumers & businesses in the wake of the Trump victory.

Only to be expected of course.

More no idea..

Grin

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41327 Gender:	Re: Americans have most hope in a decade Reply #23 - Nov 25^th, 2016 at 3:42pm Hope and confidence make a huge difference to an economy. Without those, you are lost.
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Reply #24 - Nov 26^th, 2016 at 6:18am

Agnes wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 11:07am:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 5:49am:

Bloomberg:

It's not just the S&P500/Dow that have spiked.
A Uni of Michigan survey shows that, across a number of measures, there has been a surge in hopes & expectations of both American consumers & businesses in the wake of the Trump victory.

Only to be expected of course.

More no idea..

Grin

I'm glad to see the tears are drying up and you're smiling again.
But I feel your pain.

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