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Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:18pm
 
'1920’s Brit ‘fatally infected’ All Government Climate Models'

'A sensational new study shows western government climate models rely on a fatally flawed 1920’s algorithm.  Scientists say this could be the breakthrough that explains why modern computers are so awful at predicting climate change: simulations “violate several known Laws of Thermodynamics.”

British climate researcher Derek Alker presents an extraordinary new paper ‘Greenhouse Effect Theory within the UN IPCC Computer Climate Models – Is It A Sound Basis?’ exposing previously undetected errors that government climate researchers have unknowingly fed into multi-million dollar climate computers since the 1940s. [1]

Alker explains:

    “This paper examines what was originally calculated as the greenhouse effect theory by Lewis Fry Richardson, the brilliant English mathematician, physicist and meteorologist.

    In 1922 Richardson devised an innovative set of differential equations. His ingenious method is still used today in climate models. But unbeknown to Richardson he had inadvertently relied upon unchecked (and fatally flawed) numbers supplied by another well-known British scientist, W. H. Dines.”

Unfortunately, for Richardson Dines wrongly factored in that earth’s climate is driven by terrestrial (ground) radiation as the only energy source, not the sun. Richardson had taken the Dines numbers on face value and did not detect the error when combining the Dines numbers to his own. Alker continues: “The archives show Richardson never double-checked the Dines work (see below) and the records do not show that anyone else has ever exposed it.” '

http://climatechangedispatch.com/breaking-1920s-brit-fatally-infected-all-govern...

Read the full paper at principia-scientific.org

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Reply #1 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 6:19am
 
Variations in solar activity only affect climate by .1%.

Lees is full of bulldust. The models do well in predicting climate, excellently so given the incredibly noisy weather record.
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Reply #2 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 11:33am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 6:19am:
Variations in solar activity only affect climate by .1%.

Lees is full of bulldust. The models do well in predicting climate, excellently so given the incredibly noisy weather record.


So sad that your comprehension skills are so limited.

lee wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:18pm:
Unfortunately, for Richardson Dines wrongly factored in that earth’s climate is driven by terrestrial (ground) radiation as the only energy source, not the sun


So you are saying that the Sun has no effect on earth's climate?

Note not just variation of solar energy. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

And then of course the the error bars on the model keep expanding, even after 40 years. The only way they can keep in touch with reality. Wink

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Reply #3 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 4:25pm
 
Yup, no scientist knows that the sun provides light and heat.

Christ, talk about desperate!
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Reply #4 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 4:59pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 4:25pm:
Yup, no scientist knows that the sun provides light and heat.

Christ, talk about desperate!


You sure are. Try reading the paper. Wink
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Reply #5 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 5:22pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 4:59pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 4:25pm:
Yup, no scientist knows that the sun provides light and heat.

Christ, talk about desperate!


You sure are. Try reading the paper. Wink

oooooh, document shock: nothing new under the sun except for crack smokin' daddy lovers  Roll Eyes
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Reply #6 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 5:28pm
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 5:22pm:
oooooh, document shock: nothing new under the sun except for crack smokin' daddy lovers 



Is that what your on? Wink
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lee wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 4:59pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 4:25pm:
Yup, no scientist knows that the sun provides light and heat.

Christ, talk about desperate!


You sure are. Try reading the paper. Wink

Yes Lees, I k now I know, NOT A SINGLE climate scientist knows the sun provides the light and heat here, not a single one!

Far flipping out Lees, d e s p e r a t e !
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Reply #8 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 6:05pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 5:50pm:
lee wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 4:59pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 4:25pm:
Yup, no scientist knows that the sun provides light and heat.

Christ, talk about desperate!


You sure are. Try reading the paper. Wink

Yes Lees, I k now I know, NOT A SINGLE climate scientist knows the sun provides the light and heat here, not a single one!

Far flipping out Lees, d e s p e r a t e !


So you still haven't read the paper? Of course not; it doesn't agree with your preconceived ideas.
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Reply #9 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 6:29pm
 
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Oh Lees, Lees!

NOT a SINGLE climate scientist knows the sun supplies the heat and light to the Earth??

REALLY? You sure????


Get off it, even the radioactive forcings depend on the sun to provide the light and heat.

Desperation, ugly to watch.
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Reply #10 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 6:31pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 6:29pm:
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Oh Lees, Lees!

NOT a SINGLE climate scientist knows the sun supplies the heat and light to the Earth??

REALLY? You sure????


Get off it, even the radioactive forcings depend on the sun to provide the light and heat.

Desperation, ugly to watch.


Are climate modellers,climate scientists?  Wink
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Reply #11 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 6:35pm
 
You want to plumb new depths of desperation, Lees?
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Reply #12 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 6:43pm
 
Denizen lee is off by a factor of 1000 in all his blatherings.

He recently posted that Australian householders pay $ 412.11 per kWh solar electricity subsidy.

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Reply #13 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 6:48pm
 


OK what sort of computers were around in the 1940,s


At least i read the article
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Reply #14 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 7:04pm
 
There were some in the later 40s.

Lees is an idiot suggesting climate scientists know nothing about the flipping sun!

There were slide rules etc.
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Reply #15 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 7:06pm
 



The older I get the more I realise how much I dont know.

Very little surprises me any more,,, there may be something in it.
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miketrees wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 7:06pm:
The older I get the more I realise how much I dont know.

Very little surprises me any more,,, there may be something in it.

Yup, climate scientists knowing NOTHING about the sun IS rather surprising to me!
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Reply #17 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 7:15pm
 


Yup, climate scientists knowing NOTHING about the sun IS rather surprising to me!



The fault may be in the way you were reading it.

When I first read that I thought they may have miscalculated the heating effect over land masses vrs over oceans and through the atmosphere
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Reply #18 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 7:27pm
 
I just reacted to the obvious crap in the “climate scientists leave out the sun” crap.
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Reply #19 - Nov 17th, 2016 at 8:04pm
 
One climate scientist to another as they leave their lab:

CS1: Say, CS2, what is that bright object in the sky?

CS2: I dunno, CS1, what do you reckon it is?


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 8:04pm:
One climate scientist to another as they leave their lab:

CS1: Say, CS2, what is that bright object in the sky?

CS2: I dunno, CS1, what do you reckon it is?


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha



Thank you. your idiocy has brightened my day. Wink
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One climate scientist to another as they leave their lab:

CS1: Say, CS2, what is that bright object in the sky?

CS2: I dunno, CS1, what do you reckon it is?


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Reply #22 - Nov 18th, 2016 at 11:15am
 
Quote:
    The greenhouse effect theory we know of today is based on what Richardson had formulated from the Dines paper using unphysical numbers created by Dines. But Dines himself later suggested his numbers were probably unreliable.”

Unfortunately, Dines died in the mid-1920’s and did not inform Richardson about the error.


So is Derek Alker claiming that there is no such thing as the Greenhouse effect?

I guess we'll just have to take Alker's word for it that William Henry Dines calculations were so fatally flawed, although it does seem odd that William Henry Dines is mostly famous for inventing Meteorological Instruments and taking measurements with them in the 19th century. I am also astonished that it has taken over 100 years for these "errors" to be found.

So what reputable scientific establishment published Derek Alker's paper?
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The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 18th, 2016 at 11:15am:
So what reputable scientific establishment published Derek Alker's paper?



Can't read?
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Reply #24 - Nov 18th, 2016 at 11:32am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18th, 2016 at 9:21am:
One climate scientist to another as they leave their lab:

CS1: Say, CS2, what is that bright object in the sky?

CS2: I dunno, CS1, what do you reckon it is?


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha



Thanks JM.

You have repeatedly shown what you know of AGW. "Plants are now growing in Antarctica because of AGW". Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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You are a joke, sun  not included!
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Reply #26 - Nov 18th, 2016 at 11:38am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18th, 2016 at 11:33am:
You are a joke, sun  not included!

The faux conservatives who are known haters even by their own family are now crying that everyone knows this: http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/17/13667630/global-sea-ice-concentration-graph-s...

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("sun not included": gold,... hey i read in the letters to the editor that some bloke(let's say me, not me but let's just say for purpose(!) that will become apparent) was told ,... nah I forget: I'll get back to this letter later  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy)

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Reply #27 - Nov 18th, 2016 at 11:51am
 
lee wrote on Nov 18th, 2016 at 11:30am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 18th, 2016 at 11:15am:
So what reputable scientific establishment published Derek Alker's paper?



Can't read?


Hmm would that be Principia Scientific International
Which has this gem on its home page

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Currently, joining PSI is free. When you make a donation of the suggested amount of $25  you will help to sponsor sound, alarmist-free scientific work.


Reading between the lines "alarmist-free" means they only accept work that rejects man made global warming.
Hardly a scientifically objective source
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TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 18th, 2016 at 11:38am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18th, 2016 at 11:33am:
You are a joke, sun  not included!

The faux conservatives who are known haters even by their own family are now crying that everyone knows this: http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/17/13667630/global-sea-ice-concentration-graph-s...

** BEWARE THE PANIC I SAY  Shocked

("sun not included": gold,... hey i read in the letters to the editor that some bloke(let's say me, not me but let's just say for purpose(!) that will become apparent) was told ,... nah I forget: I'll get back to this letter later  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy)

{looks like a great little doggy there btw!!}

Yup, great little dog and a good ratter. Had some great walks with her, the whole length of the Torrens Linear Park up to the Gorge Weir (built 1856) and aquaduct and the Pioneer Women Trail from Burnside to Hahndorf.
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The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 18th, 2016 at 11:51am:
Reading between the lines "alarmist-free" means they only accept work that rejects man made global warming.
Hardly a scientifically objective source



You mean as opposed to pal-reviewed Nature et al? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #30 - Nov 18th, 2016 at 12:12pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18th, 2016 at 12:00pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 18th, 2016 at 11:38am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18th, 2016 at 11:33am:
You are a joke, sun  not included!

The faux conservatives who are known haters even by their own family are now crying that everyone knows this: http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/17/13667630/global-sea-ice-concentration-graph-s...

** BEWARE THE PANIC I SAY  Shocked

("sun not included": gold,... hey i read in the letters to the editor that some bloke(let's say me, not me but let's just say for purpose(!) that will become apparent) was told ,... nah I forget: I'll get back to this letter later  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy)

{looks like a great little doggy there btw!!}

Yup, great little dog and a good ratter. Had some great walks with her, the whole length of the Torrens Linear Park up to the Gorge Weir (built 1856) and aquaduct and the Pioneer Women Trail from Burnside to Hahndorf.

Hey, I thiink the letter sad: "They laughed when I said I wanted to be a comedian, but they aren't laughing now!"

Yeh, I suck  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Oh well, um, d'oHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

We've got a chihuahua hua... cos my brothers mad and married a mexican girl: you should see her eledest with a soccer ball and he's never played  Grin Grin Grin Grin

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Reply #31 - Nov 18th, 2016 at 12:12pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18th, 2016 at 12:00pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 18th, 2016 at 11:38am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18th, 2016 at 11:33am:
You are a joke, sun  not included!

The faux conservatives who are known haters even by their own family are now crying that everyone knows this: http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/17/13667630/global-sea-ice-concentration-graph-s...

** BEWARE THE PANIC I SAY  Shocked

("sun not included": gold,... hey i read in the letters to the editor that some bloke(let's say me, not me but let's just say for purpose(!) that will become apparent) was told ,... nah I forget: I'll get back to this letter later  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy)

{looks like a great little doggy there btw!!}

Yup, great little dog and a good ratter. Had some great walks with her, the whole length of the Torrens Linear Park up to the Gorge Weir (built 1856) and aquaduct and the Pioneer Women Trail from Burnside to Hahndorf.

Hey, I think the letter said: "They laughed when I said I wanted to be a comedian, but they aren't laughing now!"

Yeh, I suck  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Oh well, um, d'oHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

We've got a chihuahua... cos my brother's mad and married a mexican girl: you should see her eldest with a soccer ball and he's never played  Grin Grin Grin Grin

It's all true: i think I've told you all this so I will go now  Wink
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Reply #32 - Nov 18th, 2016 at 12:27pm
 
Chihuahuas are great little dogs! Before Demi we had Tiffany, a purebreed chi given to us because she had some minor defects and could not be shown.

A little dog, but always game for a long walk. At night she would be on your lap, chis are lapdogs. Yeah, lovely loyal loving dog is the chi.
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Reply #33 - Nov 20th, 2016 at 11:06am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 7:04pm:
There were some in the later 40s.

Lees is an idiot suggesting climate scientists know nothing about the flipping sun!

There were slide rules etc.


Without the sun there would be no climate change.

Life as we know it wouldn't exist.

Personally I doubt any set of math equations in a computer model could ever accurately explain or predict the fluxes in a dynamic organism like our Earth.
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