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Nov 12th, 2016 at 3:34pm
 
Iceland is drilling the hottest hole in the world to get electricity from magma

A new project in Iceland is drilling down into the molten magma that flows through volcanoes, in the hopes of establishing a powerful new sustainable energy source. The initiative involves drilling a 5-km (3.1-mile) deep hole in the south-west corner of Iceland, which by the end of this year is predicted to become world’s hottest hole, hitting temperatures anywhere between 400 and 1,000 degrees Celsius, Fred Pearce reports for New Scientist. That’s enough to generate supercritical steam that experts estimate could generate up to 50 megawatts of electricity – making it 10 times more efficient than traditional geothermal wells. Geothermal energy has been around for decades, and involves drilling into the natural heat stored inside Earth to power turbines and generate electricity. Particularly in Iceland, which is famous for its geologically active hot springs, more than a quarter of the country is powered by geothermal energy wells, which tap into hot rocks below Earth’s surface. (The rest of the country’s electricity needs are powered by hydroelectric plants.) But there are limitations to how efficient geothermal can be, so the Iceland Deep Drilling Project (IDDP) is taking things up a notch, by attempting to bypass rocks altogether and drill into the source of Earth’s heat – the magma oozing into volcanoes. The idea for the new project actually came from a mistake back in 2009, when the IDDP accidentally drilled into a magma reservoir about 2 kilometres (1.25 miles) below the surface, while trying to construct a traditional geothermal well. As an experiment, they poured water down the hole to see how much energy it could generate, and they ended up creating the most powerful geothermal well ever, producing some 30 megawatts of power. The project was short-lived, seeing as it was only ever set up as an experiment, but the team is hoping this new attempt will be more sustainable. The drilling of the new hole began on 12 August in the geologically active Reykjanes region of Iceland. The researchers are hoping to reach the Mid-Atlantic Ridge – a major boundary between Earth’s tectonic plates – where magma heats seawater to temperatures of up to 1,000 degrees Celsius. “People have drilled into hard rock at this depth, but never before into a fluid system like this,” one of the team, Albert Albertsson, assistant director of an Icelandic geothermal-energy company called HS Orka, told New Scientist. Not only would the water down there be superhot, it’s also under a lot of pressure (200 times atmospheric levels), which the team expects will generate ‘supercritical steam’ – a state of matter that’s neither liquid nor gas, and holds way more heat energy than either. That type of steam could have an energy capacity of up to 50 megawatts – around 10 times more than the 5 megawatts capacity of a typical geothermal well. To put that into perspective, that means 50,000 homes could be powered, versus 5,000 from just one geothermal well. “If they can get supercritical steam in deep boreholes, that will make an order of magnitude difference to the amount of geothermal energy the wells can produce,” Arnar Guđmundsson from Invest in Iceland, a government agency that promotes energy development, told New Scientist. But before you get too excited, for now, this is all purely theoretical – we need to actually get the new well up and running first. The hole should be drilled by the end of the year, and in the months that follow, we’ll get an idea of how much electricity such a set-up can generate. If it works, it will be exciting for other regions around the world that have their own bevy of young volcanoes, such as Japan and California. And, with Earth continually getting hotter, we’re in desperate need of more powerful alternatives to fossil fuels, so we’ll be watching the results closely.

Science Alert, 24 October 2016 ;http://www.sciencealert.com.au ;
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Reply #1 - Nov 12th, 2016 at 3:43pm
 
Scientists Accidentally Discover Method to Turn Carbon Dioxide Into Ethanol

A team of scientists in Tennessee accidentally discovered a new method to convert carbon dioxide to ethanol, a finding that could aid the development of new methods to fight climate change. The finding comes from a group of scientists at the Department of Energy’s Oak Ridge National Laboratory (ORNL) who created a catalyst out of carbon, copper and nitrogen. Scientists added the catalyst and voltage to carbon dioxide to create ethanol. ORNL researcher Adam Rondinone, the study’s lead author, describes the discovery as “pushing [the] combustion reaction backwards.” “By using common materials, but arranging them with nanotechnology, we figured out how to limit the side reactions and end up with the one thing that we want,” said Rondinone in a press release. Carbon dioxide is the key greenhouse gas causing man-made climate change and the primary target of most rules and regulations aimed at addressing the issue. But scientists increasingly have warned that to keep global warming from reaching unsafe levels humans will need to develop methods to take the gas out of the atmosphere. Many proposals have focused on carbon capture and storage, which would store carbon dioxide underground, but that method has proved costly. The scientists behind the ORNL study say that the process they created in the lab could be easily scaled to an industrial level. Energy companies could use ethanol produced from carbon dioxide as a low-cost battery to store electricity produced from solar or wind power plants, according to the researchers. “A process like this would allow you to consume extra electricity when it’s available to make and store as ethanol,” Rondinone said. “This could help to balance a grid supplied by intermittent renewable sources.”


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Reply #2 - Nov 13th, 2016 at 10:18am
 
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temperatures anywhere between 400 and 1,000 degrees Celsius. That’s enough to generate supercritical steam that experts estimate could generate up to 50 megawatts of electricity – making it 10 times more efficient than traditional geothermal wells. Geothermal energy has been around for decades, and involves drilling into the natural heat stored inside Earth to power turbines and generate electricity. Particularly in Iceland, which is famous for its geologically active hot springs, more than a quarter of the country is powered by geothermal energy wells, which tap into hot rocks below Earth’s surface.


Geothermal power is used in many countries to supplement their power needs. Iceland, USA, New Zealand, Japan, Italy, Indonesia, Mexico are the biggest users as they are in thermally active parts of the world.

Interestingly even Australia could meet a large part of it's energy needs from geothermal power in the future. It isn't economically feasible at the moment but with technological advances, like we have seen with solar energy, it may become feasible.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/the-heat-is-on-as-australia-plumbs-the-...
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Reply #3 - Nov 13th, 2016 at 10:34am
 
If we could drill a hole say 30km deep we get get thermal energy
just about anywhere in the world as
it would go through the earth's crust.
Free power forever!

I think the deepest hole ever drilled was only 12km.
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Reply #4 - Nov 13th, 2016 at 1:13pm
 
Sounds like grabbing Gaia by the pussy.

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Reply #5 - Nov 13th, 2016 at 1:16pm
 
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ohh, you meant drilling a different type of Icelandic hole ... my bad.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #6 - Dec 20th, 2016 at 2:19am
 
There is a huge hot rock shelf in north western victoria/South australia that they have done some test drills in, but its not economic at the moment.
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Reply #7 - Dec 20th, 2016 at 7:09am
 


but its not economic at the moment


That is because oil and coal are too cheap
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Reply #8 - Dec 20th, 2016 at 8:07am
 
Pho Huc wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 2:19am:
There is a huge hot rock shelf in north western victoria/South australia that they have done some test drills in, but its not economic at the moment.

How suitable is the ground for geothermal tho? The Qld hot rocks area is so fractured the heat/steam escapes into fissures along the drillhole.
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Reply #9 - Dec 20th, 2016 at 2:21pm
 
I think that its pretty solid( big chunk of radioactive marble)

The problem is that to get a high enough delta T they need to drill down about 15 kms, and the temperatures are lower than in iceland so you need more bores to get enough access to the thermal mass.
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Reply #10 - Dec 21st, 2016 at 11:44am
 
Far easier to build a nice nuke generator somewhere near Pt Augusta. Could close lots more coal fired generators!

Need an ETS to make economic sense to go nuclear.
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