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Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Reply #90 - Nov 12^th, 2016 at 4:02pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 3:47pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:01pm:

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greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:46am:

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greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:08am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:19am:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

After making your prediction you can no longer question anyone else's intelligence. Remember "Hillary will definitely win". What happened to your promise you would leave if she didn't? Was that just more hot air?

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

"I will leave the forum forever if Trump wins" - Greggy 2016

Yes, and nothing has changed.

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

He said being in the continuous tense so the action of the election 'being rigged ' may have just started and stopped.

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

Cool. So nothing with past tense?

You want something past tense?

Why didn't you say so?

Trump lost the popular vote.

This is from the past too: Four years ago, Donald Trump declared that the U.S. Electoral College system of picking presidents "is a disaster for a democracy."

Hopefully President Trump can everhaul the system.
Thank orange for Donald.

Haven't had your morning coffee yet, Gordy?

Why would he want to overhaul a system that made him President?

Without that system, he wouldn't be where he is now.

So, what possible reason would he have to change the system that gave him the luckiest break of his life?

Obviously he'll change it on his 2nd term.

Why would he change it?

Put your little thinking cap on, Gordy.

What possible reason would he have to change it?

Overhaul and electoral system???? in the USA???? they cant even overhaul a single simple law without massive lobbying. And while someone would be disadvantaged or potentially disadvantaged at some stage in the future - ie everyone - it wont change.

The electoral college system is not that bad as a rule although its purpose seems a little anachronistic.

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Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Reply #91 - Nov 12^th, 2016 at 5:13pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 3:13pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

Even two days after the election those on the left are marching and protesting and whining about the decision. Why not just be good sports, accept the democratic decision and move on? You lost, get over it. The people had enough of the corrupt political establishment. They didn't want to vote for Hillary.

It doesn't matter what political experts like Katy Perry, Lady GaGa, Miley Cyrus, Beyoncé, Jay Z and Robert DeNiro wanted. What makes them think that ordinary Americans would listen to them? What arrogance and contempt.

That said I don't really mind all the whining and bitching keep it coming it's been highly amusing, it's been almost orgasmic watching you moan after having told us for months on end that Trump had no chance of winning.

You've always been pretty simplistic and here is more of the same. This in fact has nothing to do with left or right but rather the election of a grossly unsuitable man as President. A man who is racist, sexist, abusive, incompetent, liar and abuser. And no one really denies it.

It has everything to do with the most powerful nation electing someone who is RESPONSIBLE.

the rednecks in here don't seem to get or care how reckless and stupid this flake is..that is the problem.

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Re: Why won't the left respect AMERICAN democracy??
Reply #92 - Nov 12^th, 2016 at 5:53pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 3:59pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:21pm:

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........Four years ago, Donald Trump declared that the U.S. Electoral College system of picking presidents "is a disaster for a democracy."

Remember, & Trump now knows this full well, the American system is only based on democratic principals, it is not a Democracy, it is a Constitutional Republic.

The American Founding Fathers were insistent that they didn't want America to be a Democracy, where 50% + 1 forms a Majority, & therefore it rules over the remaining minority.

They wanted to protect the Minority, something a Democracy can't & won't do.

America is a Constitutional Republic, & is not ruled by a Majority....50%+1, it's governed by A Constitution......the rule of law, all with the consent of the governed.....the American People

This video explains, in easy to understand terms, what a Democracy is, & what a Republic is.....

What the American Form of Government is

what drivel is that? THe majority has always ruled over the minority and always will. But 'ruling' doesnt mean oppressing. But if you want specific policies then you need to become the majority.

I suggest you read the entire US Constitution....in America it's the Law of the Land...people swear an oath when they take public office not to defend the Country, not to defend the government, not to defend a political Party or process, but first & foremost they swear to defend & protect the Constitution....When the US Military goes to war, they do so not to defend their Country, but by oath, to defend the Constitution....I suggest you especially focus on the first 10 Amendments of the US Constitution known as the Bill of Rights....These Amendments/Rights protect the people from an over reaching majority government, by instructing the government on what, even if the majority wishes otherwise, what the government must do, & what the government must not do....what the majority government can do, & what it's forbidden to do regarding the People.....Government's legitimacy & moral right to use state power is only justified & legal when consented to by the People they are hired to serve....... but, why don't you provide some concrete examples, with links, that supports your position that the majority government is permitted to run roughshod over the People without redress.

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Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Reply #93 - Nov 12^th, 2016 at 6:40pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 3:13pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

Even two days after the election those on the left are marching and protesting and whining about the decision. Why not just be good sports, accept the democratic decision and move on? You lost, get over it. The people had enough of the corrupt political establishment. They didn't want to vote for Hillary.

It doesn't matter what political experts like Katy Perry, Lady GaGa, Miley Cyrus, Beyoncé, Jay Z and Robert DeNiro wanted. What makes them think that ordinary Americans would listen to them? What arrogance and contempt.

That said I don't really mind all the whining and bitching keep it coming it's been highly amusing, it's been almost orgasmic watching you moan after having told us for months on end that Trump had no chance of winning.

You've always been pretty simplistic and here is more of the same. This in fact has nothing to do with left or right but rather the election of a grossly unsuitable man as President. A man who is racist, sexist, abusive, incompetent, liar and abuser. And no one really denies it.

It has everything to do with the most powerful nation electing someone who is RESPONSIBLE.

More of the same? Funny that you couldn't actually dispute what I said. You can call him all the names you want but guess what? He was elected by the people, end of story. Don't cry just because you didn't get your way. I accepted the results in 2008 and 2012 and in 2007 when Howard lost the election. I didn't act like a little baby and have a whinge just because my side didn't win.

Sure, Trump isn't perfect, but I don't agree that he is all those things you mentioned. And don't act like Hillary is Miss Innocent.

And he is refreshing. The silent majority has had a gutful of politicians from both sides not listening to them and cowtowing to the politically correct left and nonsense issues like climate change.

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Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Reply #95 - Nov 12^th, 2016 at 6:52pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 6:42pm:

matty wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 6:40pm:

I didn't act like a little baby and have a whinge just because my side didn't win.

you're so full of it ... you're still crying that abbott was ditched Grin

You're such an idiot. That was because henwas ditched by his party not the people.

But again, as I said I am putting you on ignore until you show evidence that I am against democracy. And no, requoting the title of the thread doesn't suffice.

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Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Reply #97 - Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:19pm

Its time wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:33pm:

____ wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:13pm:

If the left lost, who won.

i.e
TPP gone ... a left win
Isolationism, the death of globalisation ... a left win
A trade war, undermining capitalism ... a left win.

Trump has trashed the right from within.

Big win for the left .

He also stated the Middle East is a mess due to U.S. intervention, another point the left have been talking about for over a decade or more. So why did you two clowns, and the millions of other leftists, oppose him so strongly then?

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Reply #98 - Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:27pm

matty wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:28am:

Setanta wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:22am:

Matty has a point. When I watched the crap protests against Trump, I wept for the left. Sore losers, is this what we have become? It was pathetic.

At least someone can see it. Here is another lefty who can actually see it for what it is.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs

He makes excellent points. They're spot on. If the left doesn't reevaluate its approach they'll be completely gone in 1 to 2 decades.

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Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Reply #99 - Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:42pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

So why did you two clowns, and the millions of other leftists, oppose him so strongly then?

You think it might have something to do with the allegations of raping two children?

Or, the admission that he sexually assaults women?

Or, the fact that he is facing several charges of fraud?

What do you find so appealing about an Islamophobic man pig accused of raping kids, assaulting women, ripping millions of dollars off thousands of people, and calling for Hillary Clinton to be shot?

I'm curious, Mistie.

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Reply #100 - Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:47pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

What do you find so appealing about an Islamophobic man pig

12 countries with Islam as the state religion have the death penalty for muslims who become atheists.

Why are you sticking up for a belief that has the death penalty for atheists little pecca are you a morally bankrupt hypocrite?

Why are you still here you said you would leave if Trump won the election.

Be a man and honour your bet it's time for you to piss off and don't come back.

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Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Reply #101 - Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:49pm

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Why are you sticking up for a belief that has the death penalty for atheists little pecca are you a morally bankrupt hypocrite?

I'm not.

What do you find so appealing about an Islamophobic man pig accused of raping kids, assaulting women, ripping millions of dollars off thousands of people, and calling for Hillary Clinton to be shot?

Actually, I've got a pretty good idea.

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Reply #102 - Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:56pm

[/size]greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:49pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:47pm:

Why are you sticking up for a belief that has the death penalty for atheists little pecca are you a morally bankrupt hypocrite?

I'm not.

What do you find so appealing about an Islamophobic....

You're sticking up for a belief that executes atheists in 12 countries by hurling the Islamophobic slur.

Why are you still here you said you would leave if Trump won the election.

[size=20]Be a man and honour your bet with Bias little pecca, it's time for you to piss off from this forum like you said you would.

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Reply #103 - Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:59pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

So why did you two clowns, and the millions of other leftists, oppose him so strongly then?

You think it might have something to do with the allegations of raping two children?

Or, the admission that he sexually assaults women?

Or, the fact that he is facing several charges of fraud?

What do you find so appealing about an Islamophobic man pig accused of raping kids, assaulting women, ripping millions of dollars off thousands of people, and calling for Hillary Clinton to be shot?

I'm curious, Mistie.

He's right and you are wrong.

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Reply #104 - Nov 12^th, 2016 at 9:00pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:49pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:47pm:

Why are you sticking up for a belief that has the death penalty for atheists little pecca are you a morally bankrupt hypocrite?

I'm not.

What do you find so appealing about an Islamophobic man pig accused of raping kids, assaulting women, ripping millions of dollars off thousands of people, and calling for Hillary Clinton to be shot?

Actually, I've got a pretty good idea.

He's not Islamophobic. he is Islamoright.

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