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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Why won't the left respect democracy?? Reply #135 - Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:01pm Panther wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:57am: Are you begging me to engage in a Trumpesque "locker room" chat with you?? No, I'm asking how you know this about women.
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Re: Why won't the left respect AMERICAN democracy??
Reply #136 - Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:12pm

Panther wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 5:53pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 3:59pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:21pm:

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........Four years ago, Donald Trump declared that the U.S. Electoral College system of picking presidents "is a disaster for a democracy."

Remember, & Trump now knows this full well, the American system is only based on democratic principals, it is not a Democracy, it is a Constitutional Republic.

The American Founding Fathers were insistent that they didn't want America to be a Democracy, where 50% + 1 forms a Majority, & therefore it rules over the remaining minority.

They wanted to protect the Minority, something a Democracy can't & won't do.

America is a Constitutional Republic, & is not ruled by a Majority....50%+1, it's governed by A Constitution......the rule of law, all with the consent of the governed.....the American People

This video explains, in easy to understand terms, what a Democracy is, & what a Republic is.....

What the American Form of Government is

what drivel is that? THe majority has always ruled over the minority and always will. But 'ruling' doesnt mean oppressing. But if you want specific policies then you need to become the majority.

I suggest you read the entire US Constitution....in America it's the Law of the Land...people swear an oath when they take public office not to defend the Country, not to defend the government, not to defend a political Party or process, but first & foremost they swear to defend & protect the Constitution....When the US Military goes to war, they do so not to defend their Country, but by oath, to defend the Constitution....I suggest you especially focus on the first 10 Amendments of the US Constitution known as the Bill of Rights....These Amendments/Rights protect the people from an over reaching majority government, by instructing the government on what, even if the majority wishes otherwise, what the government must do, & what the government must not do....what the majority government can do, & what it's forbidden to do regarding the People.....Government's legitimacy & moral right to use state power is only justified & legal when consented to by the People they are hired to serve....... but, why don't you provide some concrete examples, with links, that supports your position that the majority government is permitted to run roughshod over the People without redress.

I doubt you could understand the answers since you confuse majority government with MAJORITY OF PEOPLE.

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Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Reply #138 - Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:20pm

matty wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 6:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 3:13pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

Even two days after the election those on the left are marching and protesting and whining about the decision. Why not just be good sports, accept the democratic decision and move on? You lost, get over it. The people had enough of the corrupt political establishment. They didn't want to vote for Hillary.

It doesn't matter what political experts like Katy Perry, Lady GaGa, Miley Cyrus, Beyoncé, Jay Z and Robert DeNiro wanted. What makes them think that ordinary Americans would listen to them? What arrogance and contempt.

That said I don't really mind all the whining and bitching keep it coming it's been highly amusing, it's been almost orgasmic watching you moan after having told us for months on end that Trump had no chance of winning.

You've always been pretty simplistic and here is more of the same. This in fact has nothing to do with left or right but rather the election of a grossly unsuitable man as President. A man who is racist, sexist, abusive, incompetent, liar and abuser. And no one really denies it.

It has everything to do with the most powerful nation electing someone who is RESPONSIBLE.

More of the same? Funny that you couldn't actually dispute what I said. You can call him all the names you want but guess what? He was elected by the people, end of story. Don't cry just because you didn't get your way. I accepted the results in 2008 and 2012 and in 2007 when Howard lost the election. I didn't act like a little baby and have a whinge just because my side didn't win.

Sure, Trump isn't perfect, but I don't agree that he is all those things you mentioned. And don't act like Hillary is Miss Innocent.

And he is refreshing. The silent majority has had a gutful of politicians from both sides not listening to them and cowtowing to the politically correct left and nonsense issues like climate change.

Are you just trying to be ignorant? Trump lied endlessly and repeatedly. He made promises for things he cannot do because they are illegal, unconstitutional, grossly too expensive or just plain foolish. But you swallowed it.

Do you deny he is racist?
Do you deny he is sexist?
Do you deny he is abusive?
Do you deny he has sexually assaulted women?
Do you deny that he has zero experience in public administration?

You dont because you cant. and yet you think this is a suitable man for President? You too have put your politics above all else - including you intelligence.

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Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Reply #139 - Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:26pm

Frank wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 9:17am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

I guess that in the USA today it is acceptable to put getting away with sexually assaulting young woman in your résumé.

Cite where Trump has been convicted for sexual assault

Nobody said he was convicted for sexual assault.

He has, however, admitted to sexually assaulting women.

For some strange reason, though, this doesn't bother you.

You're okay with sexual assault, as long as the perpetrators aren't convicted?

Strange.

He said "And when you’re a star, they let you do it."
It's not an assault if they let you.

OMG you actually gave someone with star power the right to sexual assault.

Support Trump if you wish, but dont debase yourself so badly that you are actually going to give support to sexual assault.

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Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Reply #140 - Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:26pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:01pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:57am:

Are you begging me to engage in a Trumpesque "locker room" chat with you??

No, I'm asking how you know this about women.

So you want an honest, non-satirical (for a change), non-sarcastic (for an even bigger change) answer.....I'm an avid reader, & over the last 50+ years I've read about similar things before at least once....probably more. Tell me your completely oblivious to ever hearing, or seeing anything of that nature, even on TV.

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Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Reply #141 - Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:29pm

Panther wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:49am:

Frank wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 9:17am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

I guess that in the USA today it is acceptable to put getting away with sexually assaulting young woman in your résumé.

Cite where Trump has been convicted for sexual assault

Nobody said he was convicted for sexual assault.

He has, however, admitted to sexually assaulting women.

For some strange reason, though, this doesn't bother you.

You're okay with sexual assault, as long as the perpetrators aren't convicted?

Strange.

He said "And when you’re a star, they let you do it."
It's not an assault if they let you.

I just spoke to my friend, & attorney, & he looked it over & said he was mistaken because he believed the media, but after revisiting the statements....that one in particular.....he was amazed how he could have misses that, but no...it isn't assault if it's consensual....if "they let you do it" .....the "it" being the act of grabbing them by the pussy. If they let you grab them by the pussy, be it awkward or gently, either way as long as "it" was consensual, it would not be considered sexual assault. It's like a very sensual kiss, if she leans in to meet you half way....it's consensual.

He is not an attorney. No actual legally-trained person would make such a ludicrously simple-to-debunk statement.

'they let you do it' is not an admission consent. And admission of consent is when they say 'I let him do it'. How many convicted rapists claim 'they let me do it'.

idiot.

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Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Reply #142 - Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:38pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:29pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:49am:

Frank wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 9:17am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

I guess that in the USA today it is acceptable to put getting away with sexually assaulting young woman in your résumé.

Cite where Trump has been convicted for sexual assault

Nobody said he was convicted for sexual assault.

He has, however, admitted to sexually assaulting women.

For some strange reason, though, this doesn't bother you.

You're okay with sexual assault, as long as the perpetrators aren't convicted?

Strange.

He said "And when you’re a star, they let you do it."
It's not an assault if they let you.

I just spoke to my friend, & attorney, & he looked it over & said he was mistaken because he believed the media, but after revisiting the statements....that one in particular.....he was amazed how he could have misses that, but no...it isn't assault if it's consensual....if "they let you do it" .....the "it" being the act of grabbing them by the pussy. If they let you grab them by the pussy, be it awkward or gently, either way as long as "it" was consensual, it would not be considered sexual assault. It's like a very sensual kiss, if she leans in to meet you half way....it's consensual.

He is not an attorney. No actual legally-trained person would make such a ludicrously simple-to-debunk statement.

'they let you do it' is not an admission consent. And admission of consent is when they say 'I let him do it'. How many convicted rapists claim 'they let me do it'.

idiot.

Well stupido, if you have ever been in a courtroom, & a witness/defendant ever said "they let me do it", I would think either it would be used against them later if the claimant said she/he never said any such thing......otherwise the statement would have to be corroborated under oath to prove validity......no?

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Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Reply #143 - Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:42pm

Panther wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:26pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:01pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:57am:

Are you begging me to engage in a Trumpesque "locker room" chat with you??

No, I'm asking how you know this about women.

So you want an honest, non-satirical (for a change), non-sarcastic (for an even bigger change) answer.....I'm an avid reader, & over the last 50+ years I've read about similar things before at least once....probably more. Tell me your completely oblivious to ever hearing, or seeing anything of that nature, even on TV.

No, I was being ironic.

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Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Reply #144 - Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:50pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:42pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:26pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:01pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:57am:

Are you begging me to engage in a Trumpesque "locker room" chat with you??

No, I'm asking how you know this about women.

So you want an honest, non-satirical (for a change), non-sarcastic (for an even bigger change) answer.....I'm an avid reader, & over the last 50+ years I've read about similar things before at least once....probably more. Tell me your completely oblivious to ever hearing, or seeing anything of that nature, even on TV.

No, I was being ironic.

I guess I'm not the only one that take part in satire that sometimes cuts to close to home

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Reply #145 - Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:12pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:45am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 4:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

So why did you two clowns, and the millions of other leftists, oppose him so strongly then?

You think it might have something to do with the allegations of raping two children?

Or, the admission that he sexually assaults women?

Or, the fact that he is facing several charges of fraud?

What do you find so appealing about an Islamophobic man pig accused of raping kids, assaulting women, ripping millions of dollars off thousands of people, and calling for Hillary Clinton to be shot?

I'm curious, Mistie.

All these allegations appeared very late in the campaign.

Ah.

It seems that you people will always find an excuse for defending an Islamophobic man pig accused of raping kids, assaulting women, ripping millions of dollars off thousands of people, and calling for Hillary Clinton to be shot.

One has to wonder why, though.

So what was the excuse before these allegations, clown? That's the question I asked.

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Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Reply #146 - Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:19pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:45am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 4:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

So why did you two clowns, and the millions of other leftists, oppose him so strongly then?

You think it might have something to do with the allegations of raping two children?

Or, the admission that he sexually assaults women?

Or, the fact that he is facing several charges of fraud?

What do you find so appealing about an Islamophobic man pig accused of raping kids, assaulting women, ripping millions of dollars off thousands of people, and calling for Hillary Clinton to be shot?

I'm curious, Mistie.

All these allegations appeared very late in the campaign.

Ah.

It seems that you people will always find an excuse for defending an Islamophobic man pig accused of raping kids, assaulting women, ripping millions of dollars off thousands of people, and calling for Hillary Clinton to be shot.

One has to wonder why, though.

So what was the excuse before these allegations, clown? That's the question I asked.

These allegations have been around for years, Mistie.

Do try to keep up.

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Reply #149 - Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:27pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:19am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 4:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

So why did you two clowns, and the millions of other leftists, oppose him so strongly then?

You think it might have something to do with the allegations of raping two children?

Or, the admission that he sexually assaults women?

Or, the fact that he is facing several charges of fraud?

What do you find so appealing about an Islamophobic man pig accused of raping kids, assaulting women, ripping millions of dollars off thousands of people, and calling for Hillary Clinton to be shot?

I'm curious, Mistie.

All these allegations appeared very late in the campaign.

Not all of them and none came from his opposition.

For example the fact that he does not pay tax may have been provided with evidence a bit late but before the evidence was presented he had already confirmed it in the first debate, You can't blame anyone else for the words that came out of trumps mouth. He also said when asked about the long known problem with him refusing to pay his contractors after the work is done was to say that something in the order of if you want me to pay them you need to change the laws to make me. This was an admission that he deliberately refuses to pay the people he contracts to do work and in the end never pays them correctly.

Just like the expectation to get away with sexual assault straight out of his own mouth.

these allegations

They are not really allegations when he has confirmed that most of it is true and most of the stuff came out of his own mouth.

You seem to want to believe that all these things were manufactured and untrue, it's not. The man is a grub no matter how you look at it.

Many are still allegations and the other 'true' ones are irrelevant in the long term. Trump's attack on cultural leftism is just the beginning. There's elections in Europe in the next few years and you'll see similar results. The fight back against left-wing nihilism has now become mainstream. The right now has the foot on the left's throat and they won't release; instead, they will push down, hard. The right has learnt, painfully, that you do not concede to the left. You give the left an arm and they demand a leg. What's coming in the next few decades is, when the left demand an arm, the right will cut the left's arm off. This is guaranteed because the left are extremely stubborn and will, in their stubbornness, become more extreme, thus justifying the extreme measures to put them down. Eastern Europe has stemmed the tide of left-wing nihilism early, thus they'll be free from what's coming. But the West will see far more violent results.

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