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Reply #120 - Nov 16^th, 2016 at 11:48am

Gnads wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 11:20am:

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 11:15am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 11:12am:

I don't use the yank term "ass" for derriere

the aussie word is A R S E.

An ass is a donkey.

You honestly protesteth too much

the terminally offended Roll Eyes

Some of you should be grateful for the attention Cool

Why would we be "grateful for the attention"?

You think women are validated by men?

And you lot wonder why we need feminism .. jesus.

No .... some of them are certainly invalid on their own without help. Grin

You don't need affirmative action hidden behind the BS label of feminism and being run by feminazis

if you require affirmative action in every sphere of endeavor then to me it's obvious you're not suited.

What you don't understand about the need for Affirmative Action is embarrassing for you.

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Reply #121 - Nov 16^th, 2016 at 11:50am

Affirmative Action and What It Means for Women

Affirmative action programs have played a critical role in opening up opportunities for women and minorities to begin to take their rightful place in our society. But equal opportunity for women is still a long way off. Eliminating or curtailing affirmative action would not only halt the forward progress that women, as well as minorities, have been able to achieve; it would mark a giant leap backward in this nation’s journey toward equal opportunity for all.

Barriers to Advancement for Women Remain Pervasive

Discrimination against women is deeply rooted in our society. Though much progress has been made since the days when classified ads listed job openings for women and men separately and many prestigious universities were completely closed to women, sex discrimination persists today. New examples surface on an almost daily basis. Over 900 past and present women brokers at Merrill Lynch assert that they have experienced gender-based discrimination.(1) Officials at M.I.T. admit long-standing and pervasive discrimination against women on its faculty, reaching all areas of employment — hiring, awards, promotions, committee appointments, and allocation of research funding.(2) The EEOC settles a class action law suit on behalf of hundreds of women employees at a Mitsubishi plant who had endured sexually explicit verbal harassment and threats of sexual attack.(3) A woman relegated to 21 years behind a grocery store cash register is denied opportunities for training and advancement offered to male employees — including her own teenaged son.(4) A study reveals that a female musician has a 50% greater chance of advancing in the orchestra selection process if she performs behind a screen; if the judges can see that the player is female, she is much less likely to progress past the preliminary auditions and ultimately land a job.(5) Texaco agrees to give 186 of its female employees more than $3 million in back wages and pay adjustments to settle findings that the company consistently had paid women in professional and executive positions less than their male counterparts.(6)

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Reply #122 - Nov 16^th, 2016 at 11:53am

The persistence of discrimination against women is demonstrated not only by horror stories like these but by abundant data as well. For example:

According to the March 1995 report of the Glass Ceiling Commission, 95 to 97% of the senior managers of Fortune 1000 industrial and Fortune 500 companies are male. In the Fortune 2000 industrial and service companies, only 5% of senior managers are women (and virtually all of these are white).(7) A 1999 report reveals that only 3.3% of the top-earning corporate officers in Fortune 500 companies are women.(8)

An earnings gap exists between women and men across a wide spectrum of occupations. In 1999, for example, full-time women physicians earned 62.5% of the weekly wages of male physicians, and women in sales occupations earned only 59.9% of the wages of men in equivalent positions.(9) A recent study of pediatricians on medical school faculties revealed a discrepancy between salaries of male and female professors at every rank.(10) Women working full-time, full-year still earn, on average, only 73 cents for every dollar earned by men.(11) Minority women fare significantly worse. An African-American woman earns just 63 cents to every dollar earned by white men while a Hispanic woman earns only 53 cents on the dollar.(12)

While women are over half the adult population(13) and nearly half the workforce in this country,(14) they remain disproportionately clustered in traditionally female jobs with lower pay and fewer benefits.(15) For example, in 1999 approximately one in four employed women worked in an administrative support or clerical job, and 78.7% of administrative workers in all industries are women.(16) And while approximately 98% of all secretaries, stenographers and typists are women, women’s salaries in these positions are only 90.1% that of their male counterparts.(17)

While the gender gap in higher education has all but disappeared with women now earning 55% of all bachelor’s and masters degrees, they still lag behind in many respects. Women earn only 39.9% of doctorate degrees, and remain under-represented in many areas not traditionally studied by women. According to the most recent available data, women receive only about 16% of undergraduate engineering degrees, 13% of doctorate degrees in engineering, and only 20% and 23% of doctorate degrees in mathematics and physical sciences. In the lucrative and growing field of computer sciences, women receive only about 28% of bachelor’s degrees and 15% of doctorates. Yet women still account for over 75% of recipients of undergraduate degrees in education, and 86% of those awarded in library sciences.(18)

Women remain severely under represented in most non-traditional professional occupations as well as blue collar trades. For example, women are only 10.6% of all engineers; 3.1% of airplane pilots and navigators; less than 2% of carpenters and auto mechanics; 15.7% of architects; and about one-quarter of doctors and lawyers. Women are 99% of dental hygienists, but are only 16.5% of dentists.(19)

As a result of the wage gap, 47% of women working full-time, full-year earn less than $25,000 per year, compared to only 29% of working men.(20)
Even where women have moved into occupations and professions in significant numbers, they have not moved up to the same degree. Women are 26.6% of lawyers, but only 14.5% of partners in large law firms.(21) Women are 73% of public school teachers, but only 34.5% of principals.(22) In 1994, women comprised 24% of medical school faculties but less than 10% of full professors and only 4% of department chairs.(23)

Women of color have lagged particularly far behind in both employment and education. For example, in 1998, the median weekly salary for Black women was $400 compared to $468 for white women and $615 for white men. Hispanic women earned a median weekly income of only $337.(24) Even in sectors where women have made inroads into management, minority women continue to be underrepresented. In the banking industry, only 2.6% of executive, managerial and administrative jobs were held by Black women, and 5% by Hispanic women, compared to 37.6% by white women.(25) In the hospital industry, Black and Hispanic women each held 4.6% of these jobs, while white women held 50.2%.(26) At the top, women of color represented only 11.2% of all corporate officers in Fortune 500 companies.(27) Women of color also earn fewer college degrees than white women. In 1997, white women made up 39% of college undergraduates and 42% of graduate students; minority women were only 16% of undergraduates and 10% of graduate students.(28)

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Reply #123 - Nov 16^th, 2016 at 11:54am

Although white men constitute a minority of the total work force (46%),(29) they dominate the top jobs in virtually every field.(30) Moreover, white males’ median weekly earnings in 1999 were 32% higher than those of any other group in America. A white man earns, on average for full-time work, almost 56% more than a Black woman, and over 83% more than a Hispanic woman.(31)

Although some women choose to devote themselves to family concerns or to jobs with lower pay for a range of reasons, such choices do not fully explain the disparities between men’s and women’s salaries. One study shows that after about 11 years on medical school faculties, 23% of men but only 5% of women had achieved the rank of full professor – and the gap persisted when researchers held constant the number of hours worked per week.(32) Another study, of graduates of the University of Michigan Law School from 1972 through 1975, revealed significant wage differentials between male and female lawyers after 15 years of practice, even when hours of work, family responsibilities and other variables were held constant.(33) These women have made the same career choices as men, worked the same hours as men, yet still earn less.

Sex discrimination, including sexual harassment, continues to be a serious barrier to the advancement of women. In 1999, nearly 24,000 individual sex discrimination complaints were filed with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.(34) This number includes over 15,200 sexual harassment claims – up significantly from the 10,500 filed in 1992.(35) A 1998 national survey found that the majority, 64%, of American women do not think employers are doing a good job in treating women fairly for pay and promotions.(36) In a 1994 survey by the Labor Department, 61% of women surveyed said they had little or no likelihood of advancement; and 14% of white women and 26% of women of color reported losing a job or promotion because of sex or race.(37) The March 1995 Glass Ceiling Commission report cites another survey finding that 25% of the women surveyed felt that “being a woman/sexism: was the biggest obstacle they had to overcome, and 59% said they had personally experienced sexual harassment on the job.”(38)

A multi-year study of sex and race discrimination in employment that is now under way measures intentional discrimination by comparing employment patterns reported by individual business establishments with those in peer establishments operating in the same industry, in the same local labor market and employing workers in the same occupational group, based on data submitted by these businesses to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. According to the study’s findings in the first two states it has examined, 25% of the establishments in Washington State and over 28% of the establishments in Georgia were discriminating against women in at least one occupational category in 1997.(39)

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Reply #124 - Nov 16^th, 2016 at 11:55am

What Is Affirmative Action for Women?

In employment, examples of affirmative action programs are recruitment and outreach efforts to include qualified women in the talent pool when hiring decisions are made; training programs to give all employees a fair chance at promotions; and in some cases the use of flexible goals and timetable (not quotas) as benchmarks by which to measure progress toward eliminating severe under-representation of qualified women in specific job categories.

In education, affirmative action programs for women include grants and graduate fellowship programs aimed at helping women move into fields where their participation has been discouraged, such as engineering, math and the physical sciences. They also include programs to prepare and motivate girls and women for study in non-traditional fields.

For women business owners, affirmative action programs include laws that encourage government agencies and contractors to do business with qualified women-owned companies, as well as programs providing financial, management and technical assistance to women business owners.

Affirmative Action Works
Affirmative action programs make a difference. A government study showed that women made greater gains in employment at companies doing business with the federal government, and therefore subject to federal affirmative action requirements, than at other companies: female employment rose 15.2% at federal contractors, and only 2.2% elsewhere. The same study showed that federal contractors employed women at higher levels and in better paying jobs than other firms.(40)

Many individual companies that have adopted affirmative action plans have demonstrated the impact on women. For example, after IBM set up its affirmative action program, its number of female officials and managers more than tripled in less than ten years.(41) Corporate commitment to women and minorities enabled Corning to double its number of female and black employees and increase the proportion of women managers to 29%.(42) Motorola has been rewarded with an increased representation of women and people of color in upper-level management. The company had two women and six persons of color as vice president in 1989, but boasts 33 female and 40 minority vice presidents today.(43)

Affirmative action requirements have changed entire industries. In 1978, the Labor Department’s Office of Federal Contract Compliance (OFCCP) reviewed the employment practices of the five largest banks in Cleveland. Three years later, the percentage of women officials and managers at these institutions had risen more than 20%. When OFCCP first looked at the coal mining industry in 1973, there were no women coal miners. By 1980, 8.7% were women.(44)

Litigation against police and fire departments has resulted in affirmative action plans that have produced dramatic increases in the employment of women (and minorities) in these fields as well.(45) In 1983, for example, women made up 9.4% of the nation’s police, and 1% of firefighters. Sixteen years later, women are 16.9% of police, and 2.8% of firefighters.(46)

Women-owned businesses, which have also benefitted from affirmative action requirements, have increased since 1987 by 103%. Today, there are nearly 9.1 million woman-owned businesses, employing over 27.5 million people.(47)

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Reply #125 - Nov 16^th, 2016 at 11:55am

Affirmative Action Is Not Quotas or Handouts for the Unqualified

Affirmative action is not “quotas” nor the substitution of numerical dictates for merit-based decisions. Some affirmative action plans include the management tools of numerical goals or targets for representation of women or minorities, and timetables for meeting those objectives. But the courts have held that these goals and timetables must be flexible and take into account such factors as the availability of qualified candidates. They may not constitute “blind hiring by the numbers;” if they do, they are unlawful.

The program that imposes affirmative action requirements on federal contractors, under Executive Order No. 11246, expressly states that “Goals may not be rigid and inflexible quotas which must be met, but must be targets reasonably attainable by means of applying every good faith effort to make all aspects of the entire affirmative action program work.”(48)

Johnson v. Transportation Agency of Santa Clara County, illustrates the use of flexible goals in practice.(49) There were no women in the agency’s 238 “skilled craft worker” positions, which included road dispatchers. Under its affirmative action plan, the agency set a target for increased employment of women in this category (and others in which they had been under-represented), and in its effort to meet the goal it took gender into account in deciding to promote a woman, rather than a man with substantially equal qualifications, to road dispatcher. Gender was only one factor among many considered, and the woman who received the promotion was fully qualified for the job. The Supreme Court ruled that this constituted a reasonable approach to eliminating an obvious gender imbalance in the workforce.

Research confirms that affirmative action does not lower the quality of workers’ performance on the job. In a 1996 study of the performance of new hires by over 3,200 employers, economists from Michigan State University compared the performance of employees who were identified as having benefitted from an affirmative action plan with the performance of white men in comparable jobs and other employees hired without affirmative action. The researchers concluded that there is “essentially no performance shortfall” among most groups of women and persons of color hired under affirmative action programs.(50)

A 1998 study concluded, further, that affirmative action increases the number of recruitment and screening practices used by employers, increases the number of minority or female applicants as well as employees, and increases employers’ tendencies to provide training and to formally evaluate employees. The researchers also found that when affirmative action is used in recruiting, it does not lead to lower credentials or performance of women and minorities hired.(51)

Finally, no evidence supports the notion that “reverse discrimination” is widespread. According to a report commissioned by the Labor Department, very few complaints of reverse discrimination are filed and the great majority of those claims lack merit. Of over 3,000 reported discrimination opinions from federal courts, fewer than 100 involved claims of reverse discrimination; in only six individual cases was the claim substantiated. In one claim rejected by the courts, two employees who were dismissed for sleeping on the job alleged that they were fired so their company could replace them with a person of color or a woman. Not surprisingly, they could offer no evidence to support this accusation.(52)

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Reply #127 - Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:05pm

For God's sake it is just a saying, albeit a pretty crass one, but it is still just a saying meaning they find someone attractive. It wouldn't be a turn of phrase that I would relish but it is just an expression and not one to take offence over.

I can look at women and think they have nice boobs and women can look at men and think they have a nice butt. It doesn't mean they want to rape or demean them.

Some people get offended when the wind blows. It must be miserable to live life that way.

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Reply #128 - Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:10pm

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:05pm:

For God's sake it is just a saying, albeit a pretty crass one, but it is still just a saying meaning they find someone attractive. It wouldn't be a turn of phrase that I would relish but it is just an expression and not one to take offence over.

I can look at women and think they have nice boobs and women can look at men and think they have a nice butt. It doesn't mean they want to rape or demean them.

Some people get offended when the wind blows. It must be miserable to live life that way.

Another one who can't read.

Where did i say you can't appreciate how someone looks?

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Reply #129 - Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:13pm

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:10pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:05pm:

For God's sake it is just a saying, albeit a pretty crass one, but it is still just a saying meaning they find someone attractive. It wouldn't be a turn of phrase that I would relish but it is just an expression and not one to take offence over.

I can look at women and think they have nice boobs and women can look at men and think they have a nice butt. It doesn't mean they want to rape or demean them.

Some people get offended when the wind blows. It must be miserable to live life that way.

Another one who can't read.

Where did i say you can't appreciate how someone looks?

To be honest you don't seem to appreciate ANYTHING a man says or might say.

You spend far too much time being offended by their every breath.

Feminazis like you have totally ruined the true intent behind feminism and equality and turned it into something hideous.

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Reply #130 - Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:14pm

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:13pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:10pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:05pm:

For God's sake it is just a saying, albeit a pretty crass one, but it is still just a saying meaning they find someone attractive. It wouldn't be a turn of phrase that I would relish but it is just an expression and not one to take offence over.

I can look at women and think they have nice boobs and women can look at men and think they have a nice butt. It doesn't mean they want to rape or demean them.

Some people get offended when the wind blows. It must be miserable to live life that way.

Another one who can't read.

Where did i say you can't appreciate how someone looks?

To be honest you don't seem to appreciate ANYTHING a man says or might say.

You spend far too much time being offended by their every breath.

You are, as usual, quite wrong.

I love men and appreciate a compliment as much as the next woman.

I just don't like being called a piece of ass.

Is that alright with you?

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Reply #131 - Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:16pm

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:14pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:13pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:10pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:05pm:

For God's sake it is just a saying, albeit a pretty crass one, but it is still just a saying meaning they find someone attractive. It wouldn't be a turn of phrase that I would relish but it is just an expression and not one to take offence over.

I can look at women and think they have nice boobs and women can look at men and think they have a nice butt. It doesn't mean they want to rape or demean them.

Some people get offended when the wind blows. It must be miserable to live life that way.

Another one who can't read.

Where did i say you can't appreciate how someone looks?

To be honest you don't seem to appreciate ANYTHING a man says or might say.

You spend far too much time being offended by their every breath.

You are, as usual, quite wrong.

I love men and appreciate a compliment as much as the next woman.

I just don't like being called a piece of ass.

Is that alright with you?

To be perfectly honest I don't think you will ever have to be worried about being called that anyway. So save the offence.

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Reply #132 - Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:20pm

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:16pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:14pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:13pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:10pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:05pm:

For God's sake it is just a saying, albeit a pretty crass one, but it is still just a saying meaning they find someone attractive. It wouldn't be a turn of phrase that I would relish but it is just an expression and not one to take offence over.

I can look at women and think they have nice boobs and women can look at men and think they have a nice butt. It doesn't mean they want to rape or demean them.

Some people get offended when the wind blows. It must be miserable to live life that way.

Another one who can't read.

Where did i say you can't appreciate how someone looks?

To be honest you don't seem to appreciate ANYTHING a man says or might say.

You spend far too much time being offended by their every breath.

You are, as usual, quite wrong.

I love men and appreciate a compliment as much as the next woman.

I just don't like being called a piece of ass.

Is that alright with you?

To be perfectly honest I don't think you will ever have to be worried about being called that anyway. So save the offence.

How would you know?

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36398 Gender:	Re: Urgent message to Feminazis Reply #133 - Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:24pm Does it make you feel empowered to put other women down for the way you perceive they look, BO? Have you tried other ways of going about it ?
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Reply #134 - Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:28pm

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:14pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:13pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:10pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:05pm:

For God's sake it is just a saying, albeit a pretty crass one, but it is still just a saying meaning they find someone attractive. It wouldn't be a turn of phrase that I would relish but it is just an expression and not one to take offence over.

I can look at women and think they have nice boobs and women can look at men and think they have a nice butt. It doesn't mean they want to rape or demean them.

Some people get offended when the wind blows. It must be miserable to live life that way.

Another one who can't read.

Where did i say you can't appreciate how someone looks?

To be honest you don't seem to appreciate ANYTHING a man says or might say.

You spend far too much time being offended by their every breath.

You are, as usual, quite wrong.

I love men and appreciate a compliment as much as the next woman.

I just don't like being called a piece of ass.

Is that alright with you?

So it's simply that expression?
What about a bit of crumpet?

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