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Agnes Gold Member Offline fish dinner Posts: 6081 Bedford Park rnd	Clinton got the most votes I just read Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:19pm " The majority of people did actually vote for her" this off FB..so then why did Trump win..I don't understand the US voting system- was it to do with electoral voting and what is electoral voting.
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Clinton got the most votes I just read Reply #1 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:23pm Surprise me. I know you don't understand anything about the US system.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 150894 Gender:	Re: Clinton got the most votes I just read Reply #2 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:23pm Yes, the majority of American voters wanted Clinton as their President. America has been duped by the Electoral College.
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Clinton got the most votes I just read Reply #3 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:25pm You know that's untrue. You know how the Us electoral system works. Stop being a jerk for 5 seconds.
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Reply #4 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:27pm

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:25pm:

You know that's untrue. You know how the Us electoral system works. Stop being a jerk for 5 seconds.

it is not untrue. Hillary got the popular vote. The majority of Americans voted for her.

That the system doesn't work that way doesn't make the statement any less true.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 150894 Gender:	Re: Clinton got the most votes I just read Reply #5 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:28pm bogarde73 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:25pm: You know that's untrue. It's completely true. The majority of American voters wanted Clinton as their President. America has been duped by the Electoral College. This is not up for debate. It's an undeniable fact.
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Reply #6 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:30pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:23pm:

Yes, the majority of American voters wanted Clinton as their President.

America has been duped by the Electoral College.

Yes I got this answer from FB just now..and you are right Greg. about the electoral College.

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it is actually true - Clinton received around (I think) 200,000 more votes than Trump.
Same thing happened in 2000 where Al Gore won the popular vote (ie received a greater number) but GWBush won the election.

Suck eggs Bogarde, and I am wondering just how much you do know..lol

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Agnes Gold Member Offline fish dinner Posts: 6081 Bedford Park rnd	Re: Clinton got the most votes I just read Reply #7 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:34pm bogarde73 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:23pm: Surprise me. I know you don't understand anything about the US system. maybe a thing or two more than you- ?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20161 Gender:	Re: Clinton got the most votes I just read Reply #8 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:38pm As I understand it; all votes are not yet counted. Clinton leads the vote by about 200,000 out of 119,670,000 or 0.167%.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 150894 Gender:	Re: Clinton got the most votes I just read Reply #9 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:41pm lee wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:38pm: As I understand it; all votes are not yet counted. Has Trump claimed victory?
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Reply #10 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:42pm

Agnes wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

" The majority of people did actually vote for her"

this off FB..so then why did Trump win..I don't understand the US voting system- was it to do with electoral voting and what is electoral voting.

No, that's not true by any interpretation.

First, the majority of people didn't vote.

Second, no candidate got a majority of those who did vote vote - currently 47.5 to 47.7%.

Third, counting has not finished - besides remaining absentee votes, there are still 650,000 votes to be counted in arizona, and something stopping them from making 2 other states official.

Why does it matter anyway? It was always known that the electoral college was a factor. When Trump raised the possibility of it being rigged, he was assured that it was all above board - what's changed?

If there was no electoral college, Trumps campaign would have been different. He would have pandered to the big cities and forgotten those who ended up delivering him to victory. He ran the correct campaign for the circumstance.

Hilary was supposed to be the seasoned campaigner who knew the system like the back of her hand, but even with everything on her side, she was simply outplayed.

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Agnes Gold Member Offline fish dinner Posts: 6081 Bedford Park rnd	Re: Clinton got the most votes I just read Reply #11 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:42pm So Trump won the states afforded the most Electoral College votes..rotten system. Thanks for the link Greg. She was robbed.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Clinton got the most votes I just read Reply #12 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:43pm ... wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:42pm: When Trump raised the possibility of it being rigged, he was assured that it was all above board - what's changed? i'm not sure anyone suggested it had changed.
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Reply #13 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:43pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:41pm:

lee wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:38pm:

As I understand it; all votes are not yet counted.

Has Trump claimed victory?

Yep. Because he has won enough seats in the states. Like here if you win enough seats, you are in.

Even here you can claim victory before all the votes have been counted.

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Clinton got the most votes I just read Reply #14 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:45pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:28pm: bogarde73 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:25pm: You know that's untrue. It's completely true. The majority of American voters wanted Clinton as their President. This is not up for debate. It's an undeniable fact. It's mathematically incorrect.
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