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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE! Nov 10^th, 2016 at 3:48am Yeah, I know it doesn't matter, but the fact remains that the MAJORITY of Americans prefer Clinton to Trump and the only reason he is president is because of an outdated 18th-century convention ...
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 150998 Gender:	Re: HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE! Reply #1 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:14am Yes, it appears that she won 48% of the vote while Mr Trump only received 47%. Reminds me of the 1998 Australian Federal election when Labor/Beazley won 51% of the vote, but lost the election to John Howard and the corrupt Liberal Party.
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Reply #2 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:25am

AiA wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 3:48am:

Yeah, I know it doesn't matter, but the fact remains that the MAJORITY of Americans prefer Clinton to Trump and the only reason he is president is because of an outdated 18th-century convention ...

but that outdated 18th century convention was fine when Clinton got elected??....

its strange but it really is what trump says..

if its wrong why didnt the Democrats change it????

Clinton complained about trump not paying tax... yet she never changed the system which he used legally....she also never exposed any of her very own very rich donators who use the same system.. funny that..

if anyone abuses anything at all its the Clintons....

she has had massive problems for years but they have huge clout in Washington where it counts....

one thing I do hope happens here is all the the things trump has been saying about her are investigated and proved either way......she has been in politics for 30 years I would hate to think she had a huge cover up for 30 years.... I think that would be shattering to be honest...

.so yes lets find her innocent...for all our sakes.. we need to believe in something and hope not all idols have feet of clay.

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE! Reply #3 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:27am All the votes aren't in yet as far as I can see. But the map's certainly in and all that red is hurting my eyes.
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Reply #4 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:28am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:14am:

Yes, it appears that she won 48% of the vote while Mr Trump only received 47%.

Reminds me of the 1998 Australian Federal election when Labor/Beazley won 51% of the vote, but lost the election to John Howard and the corrupt Liberal Party.

\ by the same token Pauline Hanson had over a million primary votes the first time round and still lost...

now you would be happy with that result I am sure..

this is the trouble with an y system you cant sulk when it doesnt work for you...

it is the same system....it wasnt changed midstream.

preferences are a horror vote.. but its what we have. Roll Eyes

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE! Reply #5 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:29am bogarde73 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:27am: All the votes aren't in yet as far as I can see. But the map's certainly in and all that red is hurting my eyes. dont tell me you are going to be a sharkie and celebrate till next week boges...
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE! Reply #6 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:30am i'm still trying to figure out why they use the college system ... it seems so undemocratic to me
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Reply #7 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:32am

cods wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:14am:

Yes, it appears that she won 48% of the vote while Mr Trump only received 47%.

Reminds me of the 1998 Australian Federal election when Labor/Beazley won 51% of the vote, but lost the election to John Howard and the corrupt Liberal Party.

\ by the same token Pauline Hanson had over a million primary votes the first time round and still lost...

now you would be happy with that result I am sure..

this is the trouble with an y system you cant sulk when it doesnt work for you...

it is the same system....it wasnt changed midstream.

preferences are a horror vote.. but its what we have. Roll Eyes

I don't remember sulking.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE! Reply #8 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:34am cods wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:28am: \ by the same token Pauline Hanson had over a million primary votes the first time round and still lost... a million? spread out across the country that's not much at all.
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Reply #9 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:35am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:32am:

cods wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:14am:

Yes, it appears that she won 48% of the vote while Mr Trump only received 47%.

Reminds me of the 1998 Australian Federal election when Labor/Beazley won 51% of the vote, but lost the election to John Howard and the corrupt Liberal Party.

\ by the same token Pauline Hanson had over a million primary votes the first time round and still lost...

now you would be happy with that result I am sure..

this is the trouble with an y system you cant sulk when it doesnt work for you...

it is the same system....it wasnt changed midstream.

preferences are a horror vote.. but its what we have. Roll Eyes

I don't remember sulking.

I didnt say YOU did..

but AiA is... complaining about a system thats been in effect since the 18th c...

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Reply #10 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:36am

John Smith wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:34am:

cods wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

\ by the same token Pauline Hanson had over a million primary votes the first time round and still lost...

a million? spread out across the country that's not much at all.

maybe to you but its better than someone =who falls over the line with 39 preference votes...

well it is to me.. anyway... but I will leave you with it.

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Reply #11 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:37am

John Smith wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:30am:

i'm still trying to figure out why they use the college system ... it seems so undemocratic to me

It is strange, that's for sure.

"The system was established to ensure regional balance — it makes it mathematically impossible for a candidate with large amounts of support in just one region to overwhelm the vote."

"The founding fathers established it in the Constitution as a compromise between election of the President by a vote in Congress and election of the President by a popular vote of qualified citizens."

"The reason that the Constitution calls for this extra layer, rather than just providing for the direct election of the president, is that most of the nation’s founders were actually rather afraid of democracy. James Madison worried about what he called “factions,” which he defined as groups of citizens who have a common interest in some proposal that would either violate the rights of other citizens or would harm the nation as a whole. Madison’s fear — which Alexis de Tocqueville later dubbed “the tyranny of the majority” — was that a faction could grow to encompass more than 50% of the population, at which point it could “sacrifice to its ruling passion or interest both the public good and the rights of other citizens.” Madison has a solution for tyranny of the majority: “A republic, by which I mean a government in which the scheme of representation takes place, opens a different prospect, and promises the cure for which we are seeking.”

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE! Reply #12 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:41am American States were fiercely independent to start with and to some extent they still are. Only a system that skews the system to some extent to acknowledge less populous states would keep the Union together. America isn't New York, Los Angeles, Boston, Philadelphia etc. It's the United States.
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Reply #13 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:48am

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:41am:

American States were fiercely independent to start with and to some extent they still are.
Only a system that skews the system to some extent to acknowledge less populous states would keep the Union together.

America isn't New York, Los Angeles, Boston, Philadelphia etc. It's the United States.

I would imagine a lot of racism is there as well...you can tell by the way some States are automatically accepted as being Rep or Demo....its left to very few States to make the difference...

I believe m any many blacks voted for Obama... yet would not vote for either white candidate...

it will probably be a few more years before any of it changes.....

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Reply #14 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:49am

cods wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:48am:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:41am:

American States were fiercely independent to start with and to some extent they still are.
Only a system that skews the system to some extent to acknowledge less populous states would keep the Union together.

America isn't New York, Los Angeles, Boston, Philadelphia etc. It's the United States.

I would imagine a lot of racism is there as well...you can tell by the way some States are automatically accepted as being Rep or Demo....its left to very few States to make the difference...

I believe m any many blacks voted for Obama... yet would not vote for either white candidate...

it will probably be a few more years before any of it changes.....

Not long to wait.

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