____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:


... and a nation of 24 million of many different kinds and not all pulling the wagon of state the same way by any stretch of the imagination... all thoroughly swimming in a vast sea of billions of neighbours, all of whose nations would love to romp in and take over the joint if we but once abandon our alliances.....

When Julia offered us the Asian Century*, it wasn't supposed to be as serfs to Asians.... where's Pauline when you need her?

*Asians will become consumers of high quality finished goods

... she forgot that we no longer make any 'high quality finished goods'.... politicians utter their great truths out of their rear ends....

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:



And defend this delusion how exactly.

Or is security not a problem when you're a republic?

We will be independent for all of a week, with zero allies to maintain security of the nation; so good one champ. 

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:47pm:


Be careful what you wish for Richard Cranium!

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:55pm:


I will trust the USA any day over Communist China.

Now trying to take over the South China Sea by bullying!

Ask the people of Hong Kong about their freedom to chose on independance

Traitorous bastards are some on here in my opinion!

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:



Now you're making sh1t up to cover the fact what you posted is a load of sh1t.


Just answer the questions I posted without the lies and deceptive segue.


Without a an ally or two we are dead in the water, easy prey to just about anyone needing cheap resources.

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:


IN WW2 we drew a line in the sand at Brisbane because we didn't have the power to defend anything north of it, I don't expect Kiwi blow ins to know our history.

How about we deport all welfare bludging Kiwis like you back to NZ instead of your lunacy with kicking the USA out?

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:03pm:

The irony of hypocrisy.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:06pm:



Not true. In WW2 the Brisbane line followed the Murray-Darling then to Brisbane and then across to Wide Bay IIRC.  Anything West and North of the line was gone.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:06pm:

You do realise kiwis are returning to NZ in record numbers? So much that the trans Tasman migration is to NZ? 3 years of a shambles of a govt has done that.

Trump is going to make the present shower here look good: lucky America!

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:07pm:


That opinion is based on the fact that we are very sparsely populated, have huge easily accessed resources, and a very professional but small defence force, incapable of defending this country without assistance.



So who are we equal to and would want to be allied with us?

I presume you have thought this through and worked out hoe to defend Australia once we cut ties with our traditional allies and go out into a hostile world undefended.

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:10pm:



This is Greens you are talking about.

Typlee wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:21pm:


Same poster predicting the collapse of Australia's alliance with the US.
What say the nay sayers now ?

lee wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:26pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:33pm:



Really? Can you enumerate them?

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:33pm:


You have never heard of critical mass?

Wally waseed on the project needs to take  a wash and live in the real world

Quote:


How will Australia handle this new responsibility ?

Johnnie wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:41pm:

likening him to hitler is ha ha

That didn't work

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

Won't happen ... if the US had no bases in Australia, where would they base their troops? Or would they accept having a giant hole in their global military coverage?

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:49pm:

Bam wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:54pm:



The US is centred on growing it's economy and not being the leader of the free world.

Quote:


link http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/donald-trumps-triumph-rock...

anyone prepared to challenge trumps agenda, poofs maybe

Is Sarah crying tonight, I suspect not, she lives high on the pig.

Maybe we should ask trump for a couple of nuclear weapons too?

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 7:07pm:



Fine, how do your suggest we maintain security without ANZUS?

What level of defence spending do you thing is appropriate to defend Australia from ALL potential threats now and into the future.

This is not something you fkk around with this is our very existence you are dealing with now.

So ..................



Im not the one who suggested anything about dumping ANZUS, that was you, I do  not have to find solutions for a problem that currently does NOT exist; you have to, for problems of your making.

BigOl
Trump is isolationistic, and Aus. may not get a choice of keeping ANZUS. As Australia was caught out yesterday, we must have a plan two, a future without the US babysitting us.

Choices include becoming neutral, picking up the pieces of US retreat and form closer ties with states that also have been left high and dry, or my personal choice : a war no more coalition. All states around the planet who will pledge a war no more future join together. Any state is challenged and then every other state rises in defence of them.

As far as militarising and the spending, we got to choose a path first, then work out how to achieve that path.

Now, if ANZUS crumbles, what do you think we should do? 

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:21am:



With a China US trade war, we should expect our dollar to drop to 50 cents or less against the US.
Also world trade will dry up and so Australia falling into a recession is highly likely considering how pathetic both the coalition and labor are with economics.

A weapons race is extremely expensive.
Are we all willing to pay substantial taxes over a long period so to fund it?

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:32am:


Ok.Hypothetical
Trump's main focus is the business of building the US economy, and not defence of Australia. What if the US pulls out of ANZUS, as a cost cutting measure.

Australia must start formulating a plan B.

What do you think our plan B should be?

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 7:23am:



That's you reply ... deflection?

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 12:37am:


so far the yanks have been hesitant to share ... with trump they just might give us a few if we were so inclined

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:14am:




when did that happen? Are you lying again? Me thinks you're lying again 

If Trump demands Australia to pay cash for US defence ... should we become a cash cow for Trump to milk regularly?

John Smith wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:15am:



'are' verses 'has' ... go back to school and learn english.

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:28am:



And in diplomatic speak, Trump is saying drop pants and bend over.

By your denial, I take it you have them around your ankles already?

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:29am:



Stationing their very important spy base in our country would not come for free either. He, like you, needs to learn basic tit - for - Tat rules

The US military will NOT give up there strategic foot hold of the southern hemisphere just because of a cretin like trump doesn't understand basic national security.

Now you need to stop with these stupid red herrings and answer the question.


How do you propose we secure our national sovereignty when you rip up ANZUS?

John Smith wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:32am:



Due to the election hadn't been held and Trump's election not being a certainty when he said it.

It's a certainty now.

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:35am:



The article is in diplomatic speak.
Trump wants everyone to pay for US defence protection.

Are you willing to pay a US defence tax, so to fund Donald's trade undermining of Australia?

juliar wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:54am:



A one world government is closer today than it was two days ago.
A 'war no more' coalition is the fastest way of achieving a one world government.
As this 'war no more' coalition grows stronger, the take up will speed up.

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:45am:



Answer my questions loser, before asking me anymore cretinous questions.

You made a stupid statement now clarify how you would make it happen.

Greenies_Lose, You are wasting you breath.

the cat is out of the bag now about your beloved Greenies hidden agenda to reduce Australia to  a 4th world country and then to turn it into a dumping ground for the world's unwanted trash, that is turn Australia into a black, brown, and brindle SLUM!!!!

The signs are there for all to see in Sth Aust.

The Greenies hope that they will become part of the UN One World Govt and be put in charge of Australia. Will Kruddy return to become president of Australia ?

Anyone who can't see this just needs to have a look at the UN Agenda 21 and they will recognize the Greenies "policies" straight away.

Things like no borders, free movement of population just like Europe, set marine parks up to stop fishing, loss of private ownership, etc and so on.

Greenies_Lose is getting frantic now that Trumpy will abandon this UN One World Govt rubbish that Obama and Hillary liked so much.

So expect Greenies_Lose to keep chundering out ruddiculous lying hypocrite Greenie propaganda trash until the cows come come.


Greenies_Lose, you should get that Greenie Train Wreck in to help you.

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:29am:


Is that not like asking for protection money?

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:26am:




Let's wait & see what Trump really does.

I doubt he will pull out of ANZUS.

Dishonest Mal, currently rear end licking Donald in parliament, and reinforcing this dissolving US reliance. 

Dishonest Mal = Disconnected With Reality Mal

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 1:20pm:


There'll be hell toupé.

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 1:20pm:




Maybe we will have to pay -

apparently he's going to make Japan pay for their free protection.