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Reply #45 - Nov 7^th, 2016 at 1:53am

cods wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 8:03pm:

Richdude wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 1:30am:

North you really have no idea what you are talking about.

Americans are no more militaristic than any other country I have lived in. America is generally a pleasant and peaceful country. The difference here is that the media is always dreaming up new threats. Communism, terrorism, China, North Korea and now Russian aggression. The American people are constantly brainwashed that they are under threat. The media is just a propaganda tool of corporate interests and those wishing to further consolidate and centralize World control.

Trump is refreshingly honest and straightforward - not PC. Perhaps its you that has the problem?

you also have the powerful gun lobby over there that seems to have far too much POWER...lets face it its the guns that are made in America that are doing great in the M.E.....

I have to admit.. not that I would vote for him but he does say some truths.. like why do America step up... all the time.. and yet never get paid for it..... the first country that is asked for help is always America...they get bugger all thanks for it.. and all the blame when it goes pearshaped like it always does in Africa and the M.E.. always goes pearshaped..they all hate each others guts...and they always want a Western country to fight their battles... while their lords and chiefs live in luxury bleeding the country dry.....

does it stop terrorists taking over... not that I see..

the CLinton Foundation is a thorough sham...I would imagine the Clintons themselves receive the largest donations from it...an absolute disgrace...as for the emails.. as a 30 yr veteran of politics.. it makes it even harder to believe she is what she claims to be..

I wonder if she takes any responsibility for the state of Libya which is the new terrorist hideout...

Agreed - mostly!

I have successfully persuaded most of my friends and relatives to vote for Trump. Previously as ignorant as North is now.
Trump has never consistently made racist, intolerant, sexist, or belittled a disabled person. Media invention. Just as the 7 molested woman - a DNC invention.

Personally don't like guns but plenty around here do - you get used to the sound of gunfire. Kind of like living next to an airport. People can never have enough freedom as long as it is coupled with responsibility. Limiting someones freedom also limits mine a concept that few Australians understand.

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Reply #46 - Nov 7^th, 2016 at 8:05am

Richdude wrote on Nov 7^th, 2016 at 1:53am:

Personally don't like guns but plenty around here do - you get used to the sound of gunfire. Kind of like living next to an airport. People can never have enough freedom as long as it is coupled with responsibility. Limiting someones freedom also limits mine a concept that few Australians understand.

Ahh... No.... We understand freedom I'd say many times more than Americans understand the concept...

When it comes to guns, we in Australia, as a majority, believe that its nice to think our children can go to school and have an almost certain expectation of coming home alive or with all 4 limbs attached to their bodies as opposed to one or two of them plastered against a schoolroom wall beacuse some white American male who can't get fvked by a real woman decides to shoot to pieces 20 children... Then, like the true coward he has been bred to be, turns the gun on himself.

We in Australia understand the concept of willing for others that which you would will for yourself in the context of... In order for a society to be safe from murderous rampages we must restrict from everyone the means of its most viable perpetration - i.e. access to high powered firearms...

Now I know that this ideal has no value in the US because for so many of you, in your cultural minds, its 1775 and 'the British are coming'... Maybe its just one of the risks of founding a nation by revolution.

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Reply #47 - Nov 7^th, 2016 at 12:09pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 7^th, 2016 at 8:05am:

Richdude wrote on Nov 7^th, 2016 at 1:53am:

Personally don't like guns but plenty around here do - you get used to the sound of gunfire. Kind of like living next to an airport. People can never have enough freedom as long as it is coupled with responsibility. Limiting someones freedom also limits mine a concept that few Australians understand.

Ahh... No.... We understand freedom I'd say many times more than Americans understand the concept...

When it comes to guns, we in Australia, as a majority, believe that its nice to think our children can go to school and have an almost certain expectation of coming home alive or with all 4 limbs attached to their bodies as opposed to one or two of them plastered against a schoolroom wall beacuse some white American male who can't get fvked by a real woman decides to shoot to pieces 20 children... Then, like the true coward he has been bred to be, turns the gun on himself.

We in Australia understand the concept of willing for others that which you would will for yourself in the context of... In order for a society to be safe from murderous rampages we must restrict from everyone the means of its most viable perpetration - i.e. access to high powered firearms...

Now I know that this ideal has no value in the US because for so many of you, in your cultural minds, its 1775 and 'the British are coming'... Maybe its just one of the risks of founding a nation by revolution.

Whatever

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Reply #48 - Nov 7^th, 2016 at 12:15pm

Richdude wrote on Nov 7^th, 2016 at 12:09pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 7^th, 2016 at 8:05am:

Richdude wrote on Nov 7^th, 2016 at 1:53am:

Personally don't like guns but plenty around here do - you get used to the sound of gunfire. Kind of like living next to an airport. People can never have enough freedom as long as it is coupled with responsibility. Limiting someones freedom also limits mine a concept that few Australians understand.

Ahh... No.... We understand freedom I'd say many times more than Americans understand the concept...

When it comes to guns, we in Australia, as a majority, believe that its nice to think our children can go to school and have an almost certain expectation of coming home alive or with all 4 limbs attached to their bodies as opposed to one or two of them plastered against a schoolroom wall beacuse some white American male who can't get fvked by a real woman decides to shoot to pieces 20 children... Then, like the true coward he has been bred to be, turns the gun on himself.

We in Australia understand the concept of willing for others that which you would will for yourself in the context of... In order for a society to be safe from murderous rampages we must restrict from everyone the means of its most viable perpetration - i.e. access to high powered firearms...

Now I know that this ideal has no value in the US because for so many of you, in your cultural minds, its 1775 and 'the British are coming'... Maybe its just one of the risks of founding a nation by revolution.

Whatever

Bang bang... They're dead.

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Reply #50 - Nov 7^th, 2016 at 5:28pm

So... Whats that old nutjob conman claiming he can do now... Not including, y'know, flying with just arse-wind for propellant...

Promising to bring back steel jobs, end government corruption, repeal Obamacare, renegotiate NAFTA, build a southern border wall and "Mexico is paying for the wall", promising to cut taxes, end the Syrian migrant program, end arrivals from "terrorist prone" areas of the world and deal with the "corrupt media" who are "real liars"...

Oh Yes, And they're the real liars!!??

He stuck with that Obama's birth crap for years before finally calling bullshit... On himself.

This kvnt will spend the rest of his life in a psychiatric fog (whether he wins or loses) after 8/11... Because whether he wins or loses, it takes a mind more sound than his to endure either (win or loss) on this gargantuan scale... Even Nixon, (who was finally brought down by the flaws in his psyche), was more psychologically equipped than Trump.

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Reply #51 - Nov 7^th, 2016 at 10:58pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 7^th, 2016 at 8:05am:

Richdude wrote on Nov 7^th, 2016 at 1:53am:

Personally don't like guns but plenty around here do - you get used to the sound of gunfire. Kind of like living next to an airport. People can never have enough freedom as long as it is coupled with responsibility. Limiting someones freedom also limits mine a concept that few Australians understand.

Ahh... No.... We understand freedom I'd say many times more than Americans understand the concept...

When it comes to guns, we in Australia, as a majority, believe that its nice to think our children can go to school and have an almost certain expectation of coming home alive or with all 4 limbs attached to their bodies as opposed to one or two of them plastered against a schoolroom wall beacuse some white American male who can't get fvked by a real woman decides to shoot to pieces 20 children... Then, like the true coward he has been bred to be, turns the gun on himself.

We in Australia understand the concept of willing for others that which you would will for yourself in the context of... In order for a society to be safe from murderous rampages we must restrict from everyone the means of its most viable perpetration - i.e. access to high powered firearms...

Now I know that this ideal has no value in the US because for so many of you, in your cultural minds, its 1775 and 'the British are coming'... Maybe its just one of the risks of founding a nation by revolution.

Sounds like you are going through a troubled time.
Have you tried meditation? Just 20 mins morning and evening.

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Reply #52 - Nov 7^th, 2016 at 11:05pm

Richdude wrote on Nov 7^th, 2016 at 10:58pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 7^th, 2016 at 8:05am:

Richdude wrote on Nov 7^th, 2016 at 1:53am:

Personally don't like guns but plenty around here do - you get used to the sound of gunfire. Kind of like living next to an airport. People can never have enough freedom as long as it is coupled with responsibility. Limiting someones freedom also limits mine a concept that few Australians understand.

Ahh... No.... We understand freedom I'd say many times more than Americans understand the concept...

When it comes to guns, we in Australia, as a majority, believe that its nice to think our children can go to school and have an almost certain expectation of coming home alive or with all 4 limbs attached to their bodies as opposed to one or two of them plastered against a schoolroom wall beacuse some white American male who can't get fvked by a real woman decides to shoot to pieces 20 children... Then, like the true coward he has been bred to be, turns the gun on himself.

We in Australia understand the concept of willing for others that which you would will for yourself in the context of... In order for a society to be safe from murderous rampages we must restrict from everyone the means of its most viable perpetration - i.e. access to high powered firearms...

Now I know that this ideal has no value in the US because for so many of you, in your cultural minds, its 1775 and 'the British are coming'... Maybe its just one of the risks of founding a nation by revolution.

Sounds like you are going through a troubled time.
Have you tried meditation? Just 20 mins morning and evening.

Too many multi syllabic words?

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Reply #53 - Nov 9^th, 2016 at 8:30pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 7^th, 2016 at 5:28pm:

So... Whats that old nutjob conman claiming he can do now... Not including, y'know, flying with just arse-wind for propellant...

Promising to bring back steel jobs, end government corruption, repeal Obamacare, renegotiate NAFTA, build a southern border wall and "Mexico is paying for the wall", promising to cut taxes, end the Syrian migrant program, end arrivals from "terrorist prone" areas of the world and deal with the "corrupt media" who are "real liars"...

Oh Yes, And they're the real liars!!??

He stuck with that Obama's birth crap for years before finally calling bullshit... On himself.

This kvnt will spend the rest of his life in a psychiatric fog (whether he wins or loses) after 8/11... Because whether he wins or loses, it takes a mind more sound than his to endure either (win or loss) on this gargantuan scale... Even Nixon, (who was finally brought down by the flaws in his psyche), was more psychologically equipped than Trump.

What is he going to do now?
He is going to tell your likes to ffo kcuf outa da road, you are holding up things for no good reason.

That's what he is going to do. And you'd better get the kcuf outa da way, pal, and take all your stupid, weeping, triggered friends with you. You had your turn, now move over.

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Reply #54 - Nov 9^th, 2016 at 8:34pm

Frank wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 8:30pm:

That's what he is going to do. And you'd better get the kcuf outa da way, pal, and take all your stupid, weeping, triggered friends with you. You had your turn, now move over.

you sound like one of trumps policy writers . Cheesy

he won't do sh1t. Now wipe that drool of your face.

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Reply #55 - Nov 9^th, 2016 at 9:05pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 4:42pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 3:53pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 2:57pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 12:15pm:

Well, NOT a corrupt, unprincipled, two-faced, grasping, cynical sick old woman who projects surrender, sells out American diplomatic staff, peddles influence for mere cash.

So NOT Hilary, then.

Hmmm... Methinks the superannuated doth misogynate too much...

Trump lies over 70% of the time... Doesn't that qualify more unprincipled, two-faced, grasping and cynical?

Over 70%, eh??

You are completely discombobulated.

In this election campaign Trump has not been cynical or grasping or even unprincipled or two-faced. He has not said that he would build a wall and then behind closed door say to his donors that he wanted an open borders world.

The thing about Trump is that he is going to do what he is saying - because he has absolutely zero interest in not keeping his word. There is no 30 years' worth of political favours and donations to protect and nurture.

And you know what he says behind closed doors because....?

So... Trump has made no political promises over 30 years,Trump has no experience in politics, therefore Trump will keep his political promises?

If trump had no interest in lying... Why has he lied 70% of the time?

Please go away for a few decades. Your utter lack of insight (ie your wilful blindness) discredits your every utterance. You are a sniping, ignorant moron with zero intuition, zero comprehension and therefore zero credibility. You have had your 18 months of idiocy, it;s now time for you to shut up and stay shut up.

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Reply #56 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:39am

Frank wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 9:05pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 4:42pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 3:53pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 2:57pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 12:15pm:

Well, NOT a corrupt, unprincipled, two-faced, grasping, cynical sick old woman who projects surrender, sells out American diplomatic staff, peddles influence for mere cash.

So NOT Hilary, then.

Hmmm... Methinks the superannuated doth misogynate too much...

Trump lies over 70% of the time... Doesn't that qualify more unprincipled, two-faced, grasping and cynical?

Over 70%, eh??

You are completely discombobulated.

In this election campaign Trump has not been cynical or grasping or even unprincipled or two-faced. He has not said that he would build a wall and then behind closed door say to his donors that he wanted an open borders world.

The thing about Trump is that he is going to do what he is saying - because he has absolutely zero interest in not keeping his word. There is no 30 years' worth of political favours and donations to protect and nurture.

And you know what he says behind closed doors because....?

So... Trump has made no political promises over 30 years,Trump has no experience in politics, therefore Trump will keep his political promises?

If trump had no interest in lying... Why has he lied 70% of the time?

Please go away for a few decades. Your utter lack of insight (ie your wilful blindness) discredits your every utterance. You are a sniping, ignorant nice person with zero intuition, zero comprehension and therefore zero credibility. You have had your 18 months of idiocy, it;s now time for you to shut up and stay shut up.

I guess there ain't more stupid than old codger stupid... After the nurses have cleaned you up have a think...

Trump was elected... Y'know like Mussolini and Hitler were elected... Their election didn't make them less liars (or democrats).

So now... The big wall, throwing out the Mexicans, cutting all dem taxes, the end of Muslim immigration, taking back all dem jobs, y'know, from the yellow man... How much of all that is going to turn out to be lies?

And another thing, you stupid bugger... You're Australian, I'm guessing... Given Trump's 'policies' indicate that he is likely to be an isolationist... How would that benefit Australia? Y'know... A country he holds no allegiance to nor responsibility for...

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Reply #57 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:01am

Received this in an email this morning:

Trump has won, so what happens now. The sun will come up tomorrow. Mums and Dads still go shopping. Children go to school. Workers still go to work and business continue to trade. So economically, nothing has changed and the economic fundamentals of the US economy are fine and improving.

Social policies will change, as the Republicans have not only won the Presidency but also the House and the Senate. In fact, the Republicans tend to introduce very favourable business policies. Some of the policies will seem strange to Australians (like winding back Obama care) but It is unlikely Republicans Senators and Congressmen, no matter how much they dislike Trump, will block his proposed tax cuts or pro-business policies.

Stock markets don’t trade on social policy, they worry about economic policies, and very few saw a clean sweep for the Republicans in this election which means a very pro-business government in the USA.

America, however will become more protectionist and more withdrawn. This was the outcome regardless of a Democratic or Republican win. This may mean that their foreign policy will become withdrawn with less direct international interference. This may cause Australia to be drawn closer to Asia, as trade blocks deals like the TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership), which pivoted on US involvement, now look likely to fail. This could end up being good for Australia especially as the UK will also being looking for new trading partners.

Don’t panic.

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Reply #58 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:12am

The Heartless Felon wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:01am:

America, however will become more protectionist and more withdrawn. This was the outcome regardless of a Democratic or Republican win. This may mean that their foreign policy will become withdrawn with less direct international interference. This may cause Australia to be drawn closer to Asia, as trade blocks deals like the TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership), which pivoted on US involvement, now look likely to fail. This could end up being good for Australia especially as the UK will also being looking for new trading partners.

Don’t panic.

Not so long ago, there were many who 'predicted' that, as Chinese demand for Australian minerals waned, India would 'come on'....

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Reply #59 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 7:07pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:39am:

Frank wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 9:05pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 4:42pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 3:53pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 2:57pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 12:15pm:

Well, NOT a corrupt, unprincipled, two-faced, grasping, cynical sick old woman who projects surrender, sells out American diplomatic staff, peddles influence for mere cash.

So NOT Hilary, then.

Hmmm... Methinks the superannuated doth misogynate too much...

Trump lies over 70% of the time... Doesn't that qualify more unprincipled, two-faced, grasping and cynical?

Over 70%, eh??

You are completely discombobulated.

In this election campaign Trump has not been cynical or grasping or even unprincipled or two-faced. He has not said that he would build a wall and then behind closed door say to his donors that he wanted an open borders world.

The thing about Trump is that he is going to do what he is saying - because he has absolutely zero interest in not keeping his word. There is no 30 years' worth of political favours and donations to protect and nurture.

And you know what he says behind closed doors because....?

So... Trump has made no political promises over 30 years,Trump has no experience in politics, therefore Trump will keep his political promises?

If trump had no interest in lying... Why has he lied 70% of the time?

Please go away for a few decades. Your utter lack of insight (ie your wilful blindness) discredits your every utterance. You are a sniping, ignorant nice person with zero intuition, zero comprehension and therefore zero credibility. You have had your 18 months of idiocy, it;s now time for you to shut up and stay shut up.

I guess there ain't more stupid than old codger stupid... After the nurses have cleaned you up have a think...

Trump was elected... Y'know like Mussolini and Hitler were elected... Their election didn't make them less liars (or democrats).

So now... The big wall, throwing out the Mexicans, cutting all dem taxes, the end of Muslim immigration, taking back all dem jobs, y'know, from the yellow man... How much of all that is going to turn out to be lies?

And another thing, you stupid bugger... You're Australian, I'm guessing... Given Trump's 'policies' indicate that he is likely to be an isolationist... How would that benefit Australia? Y'know... A country he holds no allegiance to nor responsibility for...

Alluding to Italy and Germany just confirms how addled your mind is.

And being a little bit more careful about trade deals, to make sure they do not benefit everyone else but America is not isolationism.

The hyperbolic, over-the-top Trump derangement syndrome is ridiculous. What are you? A 20 year old college girl who just got triggered and is now staying triggered for the duration?

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