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Re: Rally against blasphemy
Reply #45 - Nov 6^th, 2016 at 9:06am

freediver wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:23pm:

So what you are saying is that compared to us, their religion makes them highly motivated to destroy basic freedoms. Can you explain why exactly you are so desperate to pass this off as not meaningful?

I never said anything of the sort. That's a pathetic attempt to reinvent what I said.

freediver wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:23pm:

Feel free to choose any benchmark you want if it helps you look less silly

OK, I'll use you as a benchmark ... someone says 'cat', you see 'dog' ... Ut cannot get sillier than that.

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Reply #46 - Nov 6^th, 2016 at 9:11am

Very insightful John. So far you have explained, or at least insisted, that it is "not meaningful". When it was pointed out that the turnout was higher in an absolute sense as well as a proportion of the population than the protests you see here, your excuse was that we don't care about protests so it is unfair to compare them to Australia. I have been to large protests in Australia. They are meaningful and the government does take notice.

The bottom line is that Indonesian Muslims are more motivated to destroy basic freedoms than Australians are to achieve any other political change.

Can you explain why you are so keen to dismiss this as lacking meaning? Or it is just your excuses that lack meaning?

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Reply #47 - Nov 6^th, 2016 at 9:13am

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 9:10am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 9:06am:

I think 150,000 people rally in any large city is definitely significant!

.06% of the population is not significant anywhere

I think it's time you watched a few minutes of this again.

How many people have the radical yankies killed with all their warmongering.....???

The peaceful majority in the USA is also irrelevant..... Shocked

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Rally against blasphemy Reply #48 - Nov 6^th, 2016 at 9:16am You need to stop verballing me FD, you're not very good at it. Where did I say we don't care about our protests? Stick to what I said and leave your fantasies out of it.
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Reply #49 - Nov 6^th, 2016 at 9:20am

OK, lets do that.I have asked you several times to explain what you mean by "not meaningful" and to justify it in the context of the high protest turnout. What sort of turnout would count as meaningful in your opinion?

Can you do that?

Here are those weasel words from you about the comparison with Australia:

John Smith wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 2:27pm:

we don't really do protests in Oz .... sure, we occasionally get a small mob together from one extreme or other, but that's just for show. As far as protests go we're pretty lame. Setting ourselves as the benchmark is setting the bar pretty low.

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Reply #50 - Nov 6^th, 2016 at 9:21am

freediver wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 9:04am:

How's that reform coming along Gandalf? Have you mentioned it to any other Muslims?

He's not allowed to ally himself with you, so expect a short break while he takes one of those 'Exemption Vows' that Muslims are allowed to do before saying or doing something that contradicts the edicts of Islam.

It's like that brief 'marrying' prayer they do before sleeping with prostitutes, which is then followed by a brief 'divorcing' prayer afterwards.

It all comes under the umbrella of ...

"Does Islam permit Muslims to lie?

Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."

There are several forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, the best known being taqiyya. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them".

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Re: Rally against blasphemy
Reply #51 - Nov 6^th, 2016 at 9:24am

freediver wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 9:20am:

OK, lets do that.I have asked you several times to explain what you mean by "not meaningful" and to justify it in the context of the high protest turnout. What sort of turnout would count as meaningful in your opinion?

Can you do that?

What I mean by 'Not meaningful' - protest is small enough that it won't change a thing

What sort of turnout is meaningful - one that is large enough to make the govt. sit up and take notice.

see, that wasn't so hard now.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51899 At my desk.	Re: Rally against blasphemy Reply #52 - Nov 6^th, 2016 at 9:30am So you think the Indonesian government did not notice the protest? What about the guy who has 150000 people calling for his head? Do you think he might change his behaviour? Your excuses and weasel words are meaningless.
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Reply #53 - Nov 6^th, 2016 at 9:33am

freediver wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 9:20am:

Here are those weasel words from you about the comparison with Australia:

only one using weazel words is you .. I'm stating a fact. The Australian population is reasonably content with it's social and political position and as a result people aren't as inclined to go out and protest like they do in many other countries.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Rally against blasphemy Reply #54 - Nov 6^th, 2016 at 9:34am freediver wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 9:30am: So you think the Indonesian government did not notice the protest? What about the guy who has 150000 people calling for his head? Do you think he might change his behaviour? Your excuses and weasel words are meaningless. Keep trying FD.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51899 At my desk.	Re: Rally against blasphemy Reply #55 - Nov 6^th, 2016 at 9:36am No problem. I'm sure we'll get a straight answer out of you eventually. So you think the Indonesian government did not notice the protest? What about the guy who has 150000 people calling for his head? Do you think he might change his behaviour?
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Reply #56 - Nov 6^th, 2016 at 9:38am

freediver wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 9:36am:

No problem. I'm sure we'll get a straight answer out of you eventually.

So you think the Indonesian government did not notice the protest?

What about the guy who has 150000 people calling for his head? Do you think he might change his behaviour?

no one said the Indonesian govt. didn't notice so you can stop pretending they did.

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Reply #57 - Nov 6^th, 2016 at 9:52am

You said that this protest is not meaningful, but it would be meaningful if the government took notice. Do I need to quote you you said a few minutes ago John?

Do you think the protest might change the behaviour of the guy who had 150000 people calling for his head?

You haven't really thought this through have you John? You just offer excuses for Islam as an automatic response, without any concern for whether it even makes sense.

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Re: Rally against blasphemy
Reply #58 - Nov 6^th, 2016 at 9:57am

freediver wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 9:52am:

You said that this protest is not meaningful, but it would be meaningful if the government took notice

did the govt. announce some change in policy that I missed Fd? or will it all be forgotten about in a few weeks time?

freediver wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 9:52am:

Do you think the protest might change the behaviour of the guy who had 150000 people calling for his head?

the guy they were protesting about said he would be more careful with what he said BEFORE the protests even took place, so the answer to your question is NO. He will not change because of these protesters.

freediver wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 9:52am:

You haven't really thought this through have you John?

sure I have ... you just keep hoping to make it more than what it was.

freediver wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 9:52am:

You just offer excuses for Islam as an automatic response.

What excuse have I offered for Islam FD? Enlighten me? Just because you go into an anaphylactic fit every time someone doesn't join in on one of your attempts to muslim bash.

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6492 Gender:	Re: Rally against blasphemy Reply #59 - Nov 6^th, 2016 at 10:02am John Smith just admit you made a stupid statement that annoys people. Because continual excuse making for Muslim bad behaviour is pretty pathetic. It's not that difficult. That does not mean you will look like a redneck.
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