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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77290 Gender:	Re: Rally against blasphemy Reply #435 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 10:58am freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 10:38am: True. This is what Islam brings. The politics of the day will last a day, what a load of croc ... tell that to Gillard about the carbon tax.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98560	Re: Rally against blasphemy Reply #436 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 10:59am freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 8:26am: Because they were hoping the whole thing would go away. I guess they had a slow news month. Oh. So not bullied into submission by Islam? You'll have to explain this one, FD. We'll get to the bottom of it in due course.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50714 At my desk.	Re: Rally against blasphemy Reply #437 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 11:13am He still risks a lynching if he repeats what he said, regardless of what the law does. Thanks to Islam.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98560	Re: Rally against blasphemy Reply #438 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 11:57am freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 11:13am: He still risks a lynching if he repeats what he said, regardless of what the law does. Thanks to Islam. A lynching? Weren't you saying the protests were to get him arrested and jailed for blasphemy?
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50714 At my desk.	Re: Rally against blasphemy Reply #439 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 12:39pm They were to silence him, in the name of Islam, thus furthering the Islamic agenda of destroying freedom and human rights.
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Re: Rally against blasphemy
Reply #440 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 3:22pm

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 12:39pm:

They were to silence him, in the name of Islam, thus furthering the Islamic agenda of destroying freedom and human rights.

I didn't see anyone with a sign saying silence all those who insult the prophet, FD. Given Ahok was charged before these demonstrations, can I ask what the objective of the protesters was?

I'm asking because you have a lot of knowledge on this subject. Were they out to lynch him or silence him or something even more sinister?

Also, do you think similar sentiments expressed here have the same intention of destroying freedom and human rights? Do the daily calls to ban them, kill them, nuke them, etc, have the same objective?

And how do they reflect your own sentiments and the purpose of your site?

I look forward to your reply, FD.

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Re: Rally against blasphemy
Reply #441 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 4:38pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 3:22pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 12:39pm:

They were to silence him, in the name of Islam, thus furthering the Islamic agenda of destroying freedom and human rights.

I didn't see anyone with a sign saying silence all those who insult the prophet, FD.

When moslems conduct street protests ['defending' ISLAM/Mohammed],

there is never any intimidation of others intended,

.....eh Karnal!

/sarc off

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IMAGE...

THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST, 2006, IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"

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This below, is a fair representation of 'ISLAMIC culture', and, it is a fair representation of the expectations of those who are influenced by 'ISLAMIC culture', .....describing the innate religious, 'moslem right' [to murder], which the 'activated' moslem will choose to take to himself, 'to defend ISLAM'.

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IMAGE....

"Behead those who insult ISLAM"

Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.

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"BEHEAD ALL THOSE WHO INSULT THE PROPHET"

Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.

'Aussie' moslems on a Sydney street, openly demonstrating and exposing to public view, the violent religious bigotry which ISLAM, has put into their hearts.

'Aussie' moslems on a Sydney street, openly demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion'.

Demanding the 'religious freedom', to kill people who offend them, because they do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

< --------- Those 'Aussie' moslems are engaging in the commission of a HATE CRIME, on 'MAIN ST', Australia!!!

Those 'Aussie' moslems are inciting cultural and political hatred and cultural and political violence, against all Australians [i.e. against the government, of the people of Australia].

And those 'Aussie' moslems are engaged in this type of incitement, inter-cultural and political hatred, simply because many of us, are not moslems, and because Australians do not share the views and opinions of 'Aussie' moslems.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Rally against blasphemy
Reply #442 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 6:59pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 3:22pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 12:39pm:

They were to silence him, in the name of Islam, thus furthering the Islamic agenda of destroying freedom and human rights.

I didn't see anyone with a sign saying silence all those who insult the prophet, FD. Given Ahok was charged before these demonstrations, can I ask what the objective of the protesters was?

I'm asking because you have a lot of knowledge on this subject. Were they out to lynch him or silence him or something even more sinister?

Also, do you think similar sentiments expressed here have the same intention of destroying freedom and human rights? Do the daily calls to ban them, kill them, nuke them, etc, have the same objective?

And how do they reflect your own sentiments and the purpose of your site?

I look forward to your reply, FD.

They were calling for Ahok's death, because he dared say something nice about Islam. Would that not silence him?

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77290 Gender:	Re: Rally against blasphemy Reply #443 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 7:07pm freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 6:59pm: Would that not silence him refer to page one of this thread!
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50714 At my desk.	Re: Rally against blasphemy Reply #444 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 7:14pm John do you think he is going to keep talking with his head chopped off?
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77290 Gender:	Re: Rally against blasphemy Reply #445 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 7:20pm freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 7:14pm: John do you think he is going to keep talking with his head chopped off? I reckon you'll keep repeating yourself even if they did chop off your head.
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Re: Rally against blasphemy
Reply #446 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 9:12pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 7:20pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 7:14pm:

John do you think he is going to keep talking with his head chopped off?

I reckon you'll keep repeating yourself even if they did chop off your head.

John_Smith,

If someone threatened to cut your head off, for looking at his

pet cat

      would you be inclined to look the other way ?

It is a simple question !

ARGUMENT;

I mean,          if your action in looking at something,          ... is offending another person,

......THEN SHOULDN'T YOU SIMPLY NOT LOOK AT THAT OBJECT ANY MORE ?

.....for the sake of a peaceful and safe life ?

And oh, by the way, John_Smith,          i will be offended,          if you won't let me come into your home and    bugger    your teen age daughter too.

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This below, is a fair representation of 'ISLAMIC culture', and, it is a fair representation of the expectations of those who are influenced by 'ISLAMIC culture',    .....describing the innate religious, 'moslem right' [to murder], which the 'activated' moslem will choose to take to himself, 'to defend ISLAM'.

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IMAGE....

"Behead those who insult ISLAM"

Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.

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WHY ARE WE 'INFIDELS' PROVOKING MOSLEMS, BY SCRUTINISING ISLAM ??????

It is just morally wrong !!!!!!!

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77290 Gender:	Re: Rally against blasphemy Reply #447 - Dec 12^th, 2016 at 8:49am Yadda wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 9:12pm: John_Smith, If someone threatened to cut your head off, for looking at his pet cat would you be inclined to look the other way ? no.
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Re: Rally against blasphemy
Reply #448 - Dec 12^th, 2016 at 2:34pm

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 6:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 3:22pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 12:39pm:

They were to silence him, in the name of Islam, thus furthering the Islamic agenda of destroying freedom and human rights.

I didn't see anyone with a sign saying silence all those who insult the prophet, FD. Given Ahok was charged before these demonstrations, can I ask what the objective of the protesters was?

I'm asking because you have a lot of knowledge on this subject. Were they out to lynch him or silence him or something even more sinister?

Also, do you think similar sentiments expressed here have the same intention of destroying freedom and human rights? Do the daily calls to ban them, kill them, nuke them, etc, have the same objective?

And how do they reflect your own sentiments and the purpose of your site?

I look forward to your reply, FD.

They were calling for Ahok's death, because he dared say something nice about Islam. Would that not silence him?

You go first, FD.

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Re: Rally against blasphemy
Reply #449 - Dec 13^th, 2016 at 2:47pm

According to the ABC half a million Indonesian Muslims turned up to the second "let's destroy freedom in the name of Islam" sermon.

Gandalf do you think the ABC is misleading readers by pretending this is about Ahok's comments on Islam rather than the other domestic political issues that the apologists want us to think this is about?

Do you think Islam is having a positive influence on human rights in Indonesia?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-13/ahok-labelled-the-son-of-satan-by-cleric/8114614

Indonesia's reputation for religious tolerance is expected be tested at the upcoming blasphemy trial of Jakarta's Christian Governor "Ahok" Basuki.

At a weekend rally, the cleric Habib Muhsin Alathas called Governor Basuki Tjahaja Purnama, or Ahok as he is widely known, "the son of Satan" and said Christians should never have authority over Muslims.

"Some of you come to the headquarters of the pig's pimple, shaking hands with him, and even kiss his hand," he said.

"You have been kissing the hand of someone who is not circumcised — you're better off kissing a goat's arse."

Mr Purnama has been targeted by hardliners since he told voters that they were being misled by clerics who said Muslims were not permitted to vote for a Christian.

That relatively innocuous remark sparked inaccurate reports that Mr Purnama had criticised the Koran, not the clerics.

Two mass protests followed, and at the second earlier this month around half a million Muslims gave their support to the campaign for Mr Purnama's jailing.

Habib Muhsin Alathas has been adamant that a Christian should never have authority over Muslims.

"We should never ever have given our trust to him to lead us," he said.

"Why? Because the guide is from Allah, in the Koran, and choosing leaders who do not believe in Islam — that's equal with eating pork."

And there was a clear warning about what would happen if the court acquitted Mr Purnama.

Cleric Habib Muhsin Alathas did not bother hiding his racism towards the Chinese Christian Governor during his speech.

"So, if this thin eyes [Indonesian sarcasm for the Chinese] does not go in jail, we will go out onto the street once more, right?"

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