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Re: Rally against blasphemy
Reply #345 - Dec 3rd, 2016 at 6:15pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 2:00pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 1:57pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 1:56pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 1:22pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 8:21am:
Did the rally against blasphemy succeed in further restricting blasphemy in Indonesia?



really? still singing this tune?

Is it the rally restricting blasphemy, or is it the fact that
IT'S ILLEGAL
?


Would you like to read the question again John? You are creating a false dichotomy.



how do you further restrict something that's already illegal FD?



You increase the penalty, thicko.



that doesn't further restrict it, it just harsher penalties. It's already ILLEGAL.

illegal

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adjective: illegal

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    "illegal drugs"
    synonyms:      unlawful, illicit, illegitimate, against the law, criminal, lawbreaking, actionable, felonious; More


If you raise the fines for not wearing a bike helmet to $1m is it any more illegal to ride than it is now?
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Re: Rally against blasphemy
Reply #346 - Dec 3rd, 2016 at 7:04pm
 
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Re: Rally against blasphemy
Reply #347 - Dec 3rd, 2016 at 7:49pm
 
The dance of the apologist continues.

John Smith wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 1:57pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 1:56pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 1:22pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 8:21am:
Did the rally against blasphemy succeed in further restricting blasphemy in Indonesia?



really? still singing this tune?

Is it the rally restricting blasphemy, or is it the fact that
IT'S ILLEGAL
?


Would you like to read the question again John? You are creating a false dichotomy.


how do you further restrict something that's already illegal FD?


Do you think freedom of speech is a some kind of switch that can only be on or off?
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Re: Rally against blasphemy
Reply #348 - Dec 3rd, 2016 at 8:19pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 7:49pm:
The dance of the apologist continues.

John Smith wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 1:57pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 1:56pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 1:22pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 8:21am:
Did the rally against blasphemy succeed in further restricting blasphemy in Indonesia?



really? still singing this tune?

Is it the rally restricting blasphemy, or is it the fact that
IT'S ILLEGAL
?


Would you like to read the question again John? You are creating a false dichotomy.


how do you further restrict something that's already illegal FD?


Do you think freedom of speech is a some kind of switch that can only be on or off?


blashphemy is either illegal, or it isn't. You can't make it any more illegal than what it already is by crying.
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Re: Rally against blasphemy
Reply #349 - Dec 3rd, 2016 at 8:40pm
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 8:19pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 7:49pm:
The dance of the apologist continues.

John Smith wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 1:57pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 1:56pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 1:22pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 8:21am:
Did the rally against blasphemy succeed in further restricting blasphemy in Indonesia?



really? still singing this tune?

Is it the rally restricting blasphemy, or is it the fact that
IT'S ILLEGAL
?


Would you like to read the question again John? You are creating a false dichotomy.


how do you further restrict something that's already illegal FD?


Do you think freedom of speech is a some kind of switch that can only be on or off?


blashphemy is either illegal, or it isn't. You can't make it any more illegal than what it already is by crying.


So blasphemy is like a switch that can only be on the completely legal side or the completely illegal side?

Do I really need to explain this to you John? Even for an apologist you are going to elaborate lengths to avoid the question.
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Re: Rally against blasphemy
Reply #350 - Dec 3rd, 2016 at 8:55pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 8:40pm:
Even for an apologist you are going to elaborate lengths to avoid the question.



Grin Grin Grin Grin

ohh that's rich. Cheesy Cheesy
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Re: Rally against blasphemy
Reply #351 - Dec 4th, 2016 at 8:21am
 
John, as a committed apologist, are you seriously suggesting that it is not possible for Indonesia to further restrict blasphemy because it is 'already illegal'?
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Re: Rally against blasphemy
Reply #352 - Dec 4th, 2016 at 10:32am
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 6:15pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 2:00pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 1:57pm:
how do you further restrict something that's already illegal FD?



You increase the penalty, thicko.



that doesn't further restrict it, it just harsher penalties. It's already ILLEGAL.

illegal

ɪˈliːɡ(ə)l/
adjective
adjective: illegal

    1.
    contrary to or forbidden by law, especially criminal law.
    "illegal drugs"
    synonyms:      unlawful, illicit, illegitimate, against the law, criminal, lawbreaking, actionable, felonious; More


If you raise the fines for not wearing a bike helmet to $1m is it any more illegal to ride than it is now?


Penalty in dealing in small amounts of illegal drugs - tut-tut in Holland.
In Malaysia and Indonesia - you are hanged.
It's illegal in both places. One doesn't take it that seriously, the others do.
Can you not see the difference?


Or pertinently around blasphemy in Islam:

Hanafi – views blasphemy as synonymous with apostasy, and therefore, accepts the repentance of apostates. Those who refuse to repent, their punishment is death if the blasphemer is a Muslim man, and if the blasphemer is a woman, she must be imprisoned with coercion (beating) till she repents and returns to Islam.[104] If a non-Muslim commits blasphemy, his punishment must be a tazir (discretionary, can be death, arrest, caning, etc.).[7][105]
Maliki – view blasphemy as an offense distinct from, and more severe than apostasy. Death is mandatory in cases of blasphemy for Muslim men, and repentance is not accepted. For women, death is not the punishment suggested, but she is arrested and punished till she repents and returns to Islam or dies in custody.[106][107] A non-Muslim who commits blasphemy against Islam must be punished; however, the blasphemer can escape punishment by converting and becoming a devout Muslim.[108]
Hanbali – view blasphemy as an offense distinct from, and more severe than apostasy. Death is mandatory in cases of blasphemy, for both Muslim men and women, and repentance is not accepted.[109][110]
Shafi’i – recognizes blasphemy as a separate offense from apostasy, but accepts the repentance of blasphemers. If the blasphemer does not repent, the punishment is death.[111][112]  [
this is Indonesia
]
Ja'fari (Shia) – views blasphemy against Islam, the Prophet, or any of the Imams, to be punishable with death, if the blasphemer is a Muslim.[113] In case the blasphemer is a non-Muslim, he is given a chance to convert to Islam, or else killed.[114]
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Reply #353 - Dec 4th, 2016 at 11:18am
 
I think this is just John's way of clinging desperately to his original attempt to sweep this under the carpet as "not significant".
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Re: Rally against blasphemy
Reply #354 - Dec 4th, 2016 at 11:26am
 
Karnal wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 6:12pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 5:33pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 3:50pm:
No, old chap. We, you see, may not agree with what the genetically inferior have to say, but we'll fight to the death for their right to say it.

White man's burden, innit. No one has the right to not be offended.



The massive mistake all you ashamed whites with jungle fever for the hot primitives make is that you think they share your lofty book learning.


They don't. They actually ate missionaries like you.  It's still bubbling, barely suppressed, under the surface. Savagery doesn't go away in a generation or two. Islam suits them perfectly.



Ah yes, the thin veneer of civilisation. Know it well.

I must say, dear boy, it sounds like you've gone a bit native yourself. The incoherence, the erratic outbursts, the dipsomania.


You go too far, again - I am not an Aboriginal nor am I aspiring.
Although I am probably blonde enough to try it.


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Reply #355 - Dec 4th, 2016 at 11:29am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2016 at 11:18am:
I think this is just John's way of clinging desperately to his original attempt to sweep this under the carpet as "not significant".



His big problem, as always, is that there is no carpet.
The magic carpet of Islam has flown, leaving everything that used to be swept under it exposed for all to see.



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Re: Rally against blasphemy
Reply #356 - Dec 4th, 2016 at 11:40am
 
Frank wrote on Dec 4th, 2016 at 11:26am:
Karnal wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 6:12pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 5:33pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 3:50pm:
No, old chap. We, you see, may not agree with what the genetically inferior have to say, but we'll fight to the death for their right to say it.

White man's burden, innit. No one has the right to not be offended.



The massive mistake all you ashamed whites with jungle fever for the hot primitives make is that you think they share your lofty book learning.


They don't. They actually ate missionaries like you.  It's still bubbling, barely suppressed, under the surface. Savagery doesn't go away in a generation or two. Islam suits them perfectly.



Ah yes, the thin veneer of civilisation. Know it well.

I must say, dear boy, it sounds like you've gone a bit native yourself. The incoherence, the erratic outbursts, the dipsomania.


You go too far, again - I am not an Aboriginal nor am I aspiring.
Although I am probably blonde enough to try it.




Jolly good, you try it. I think the part of the evil sister is made for you, dear. Do give it a go. You'll be pleased to know we do all our readings in costume.
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Re: Rally against blasphemy
Reply #357 - Dec 4th, 2016 at 11:43am
 
Frank wrote on Dec 4th, 2016 at 11:29am:
freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2016 at 11:18am:
I think this is just John's way of clinging desperately to his original attempt to sweep this under the carpet as "not significant".



His big problem, as always, is that there is no carpet.
The magic carpet of Islam has flown, leaving everything that used to be swept under it exposed for all to see.





That was last year, dear. Alladin and the Forty Thieves. We got fabulous reviews.
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Re: Rally against blasphemy
Reply #358 - Dec 4th, 2016 at 1:11pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2016 at 8:21am:
John, as a committed apologist, are you seriously suggesting that it is not possible for Indonesia to further restrict blasphemy because it is 'already illegal'?


I already told you early on in this discussion that 'blasphemy' is subjective FD. You were the one pretending that it was clear cut, and the fact that police hadn't at that time charged him proved he'd done nothing illegal

Look how that worked out for you  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #359 - Dec 4th, 2016 at 1:12pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 4th, 2016 at 10:32am:
Penalty in dealing in small amounts of illegal drugs - tut-tut in Holland.
In Malaysia and Indonesia - you are hanged.
It's illegal in both places.



Bingo .....

the penalty does not make it more or less illegal no matter how much you try to redefine illegal.
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