Frank wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2016 at 8:41pm:



John Smith the protests do not matter at all and signify nuffin. The prez changed his travel plans for entirely unrelated reasons, just as he went on a pilgrimage suddenly, before the election, for reasons that have nuffin to do wiv nuffin.

In Islamic countries it's all 'nuffin to do wiv nuffin, nuffin to see here and in any case it's always a tiny minority who represent nuffin. Do not slip on the blood .... ooops, too late.

John Smith wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 6:21pm:


Now now, JS, don't you dismiss the old boy's concerns. He has always spoken most highly of our tinted, corrupt, monkey-talking neighbours.

freediver wrote on Nov 27^th, 2016 at 8:51pm:



i think he'll be more careful to not skirt the edge of the law. Apart from that not much will change. This is not the first time the Indonesian muslims have protested what someone said ... and look, it didn't stop Ahok from saying what he did.   

freediver wrote on Nov 27^th, 2016 at 8:56pm:


of course. Do you blame the catholic church for all the child molestors over the last few decades, or do you put it down to a few dickheads who abused their position?

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The apologists miss the point Karnal. Of course someone will take advantage of 150 000 angry protesters. That does not somehow diminish the presence of 150 000 protesters, or the banners calling for Ahok's death, or make the further erosion of freedom at the hands of Islam less real.

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Are you trying to separate Islam from politics Karnal?

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Until it gets him killed. Or do you think the calls for his death were just a bit of a joke?

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How significant do you think the payments were towards the massive turnout? You and the other apologists keep bringing it up, but shy away from giving it any credit, beyond stating that one person was paid. Sticking to the facts eh? Oh look, one person out of 150 000 says he got paid. OK people move along, nothing to see here.....

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Of course not. The apologists are just pretending they do not matter and we should not concern ourselves with blatant attacks on freedom of speech because they won't work. Would you say that is sensible, or spineless apologism? Or would you rather change the subject?

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And yet the attack on freedom of speech is real, isn't it Karnal? Or do you think the domestic political manouvering is simply more important?

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So mindless you cannot bring yourself to quote them?

freediver wrote on Nov 27^th, 2016 at 9:11pm:



no idea .... don't know anything about him or the caliphs other than he was their prophet.

freediver wrote on Nov 27^th, 2016 at 9:11pm:


so that's a no then? 

freediver wrote on Nov 27^th, 2016 at 9:11pm:


yep ... and despite that, Ahok still said what he said despite fanatics protesting every time they previously felt wronged by something someone does or says against their religion 

So what makes you think this protest is any different that suddenly no one will ever say something they may not like?

freediver wrote on Nov 27^th, 2016 at 9:46pm:




are you pretending you didn't see the other links? And that's just what i found in 5 mins


freediver wrote on Nov 27^th, 2016 at 9:46pm:


so now it's about maths? I thought it was about death threats?