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Re: Does this reflect badly on Islam?
Reply #30 - Sep 20^th, 2016 at 11:22pm

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You seemed genuinely confused as to why the media didn't report on the August 31 vote

You were confused Gandalf, not me. You have no honest reason to make that claim. There was nothing I said to make you reach that conclusion.

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Quietly dropping your assurance that there is a relevant link now are we?

No Gandalf, there are relevant links, exactly where I said they were - on the home page.

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FD do you know the difference between providing a "brief explanation" of what the resolutions are and describing the existence of the resolutions?

Your misleading spin?

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Re: Does this reflect badly on Islam?
Reply #31 - Sep 20^th, 2016 at 11:24pm

freediver wrote on Sep 20^th, 2016 at 10:04pm:

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Oh deary me... I separately provided the ABC article dated August 12 - mentioning and linking the two resolutions. Forgotton already?

No, it was from much earlier, but edited on August 12. Forgotten already? I did point it out at the time, but you were a bit too eager to carry on spinning your BS, and I haven't been able to get you to respond since.

Where is this article Gandalf?

Gandalf would you describe this as an honest portrayal of the media completely failing to mention the resolutions in any articles written after the August 12 announcement? Or would you pass it off as "a bit odd" and leap to "not really a promise" and "that would be spoonfeeding us information" and "I really can't be bothered" providing the evidence?

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The actual facts of the case have been widely reported - that the 1998 and 2010 legislation was passed

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And yet, all the relevant facts have been reported.

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The facts non-the-less were reported.

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all the relevant facts were reported

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Yesterday I read 3 separate ABC articles written in the wake of the election mentioning the resolutions

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Worth noting too is that the ABC provided the relevant facts

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The Australian public had all the information they needed to understand that a) the senate went against their own resolutions

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the Australian public had all the information they needed to understand that this was a cynical deal by the majors to consolidate their hold on the senate, and that it went against two resolutions that the senate made

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Re: Does this reflect badly on Islam?
Reply #32 - Sep 20^th, 2016 at 11:37pm

freediver wrote on Sep 20^th, 2016 at 11:24pm:

Where is this article Gandalf?

On the ABC website I imagine - where I linked to it.

freediver wrote on Sep 20^th, 2016 at 11:22pm:

You were confused Gandalf, not me. You have no honest reason to make that claim. There was nothing I said to make you reach that conclusion.

Sorry, let me rephrase - you seemed deluded thinking that lack of reporting of the vote represents some outrageous failure of the media - ignoring the fact that it was not reported because the deal had already been made, and the vote was a fait accompli.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #33 - Sep 20^th, 2016 at 11:43pm

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On the ABC website I imagine - where I linked to it.

Would you like to respond to the point I have now made on this several times? Or are you refraining from posting the link so you can continue with the lie about the date published?

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Sorry, let me rephrase - you seemed deluded thinking that lack of reporting of the vote represents some outrageous failure of the media

Can you quote me? Or is this more lies?

freediver wrote on Sep 20^th, 2016 at 10:11pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 16^th, 2016 at 12:14pm:

FD what "blatant lies" have I resorted to?

Would you call insisting you provided information, including links, about the two resolutions on your home page article a lie? Or would you like to go on the record that it was an honest mistake on your part? Either way the information you insisted was there is not.

I just thought its prudent to mention this while you are throwing the accusation of lying at me.

Here you are quoting that information from the home page Gandalf:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 18^th, 2016 at 7:09pm:

The two major parties have broken promises they made twice to the Australian public in order to secure these seats. These promises took the form of Senate resolutions on 22 June 2010 and 29 June 1998. Both resolutions passed with bipartisan support and stated that the Senate will use the new, fairer method to determine which senators get full (6 year) terms in the event of a double dissolution election.

And here you are, again, yesterday and today, telling the same lie, despite my repeated efforts to point out the obvious to you.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 19^th, 2016 at 1:58pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 17^th, 2016 at 12:12pm:

Contrary to Gandalf's repeated assertions, I provided information about the two resolutions on the home page of this website.

And I'll assert it again. There is no information.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 20^th, 2016 at 12:28pm:

Indeed I am. Confused as to why you would so stubbornly persist with the lie that you provided any links or information about the two resolutions in the OP article on the home page:

Gandalf, is there any possible way to interpret this other than you telling the same lie, over and over again, despite me repeatedly pointing out that it was a lie, and you even providing the relevant quote from the site home page to show that it is a lie?

What do you think Gandalf? Honest or dishonest?

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D do you know the difference between providing a "brief explanation" of what the resolutions are and describing the existence of the resolutions?

Go on Gandalf, tell us about this difference. You don't want to pass up on opportunity for more lies do you?

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Re: Does this reflect badly on Islam?
Reply #34 - Sep 21^st, 2016 at 1:12am

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98369	Re: Does this reflect badly on Islam? Reply #35 - Sep 21^st, 2016 at 1:51am What's wrong with lies, FD?
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Reply #36 - Sep 22^nd, 2016 at 6:49pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 19^th, 2016 at 8:22pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 19^th, 2016 at 7:22pm:

Islam is bad for Western societies. Is it 95% bad or 100%?
The one who says 100% - is he telling 5% porkies?

Probably. That 5% is Karnal's and Gandalf's definition of porkies about Islam.

"9/11 had some Muslim victims - therefore it is a porky to say that 9/11 was all about the West."

That kind of nonsense.

You're new here, Frank. Do you support the use of porkies in FD's campaign against the Muselman?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Apparently, Allahu Akhbar is Arabic for 'No Islamic porkies to see here, we are the religion of peace!!"

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Re: Does this reflect badly on Islam?
Reply #37 - Sep 22^nd, 2016 at 8:33pm

Frank wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2016 at 6:49pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 19^th, 2016 at 8:22pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 19^th, 2016 at 7:22pm:

Islam is bad for Western societies. Is it 95% bad or 100%?
The one who says 100% - is he telling 5% porkies?

Probably. That 5% is Karnal's and Gandalf's definition of porkies about Islam.

"9/11 had some Muslim victims - therefore it is a porky to say that 9/11 was all about the West."

That kind of nonsense.

You're new here, Frank. Do you support the use of porkies in FD's campaign against the Muselman?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Apparently, Allahu Akhbar is Arabic for 'No Islamic porkies to see here, we are the religion of peace!!"

I didn't know that, Frank. You learn something every day, no?

If I can be so bold, what's your own view on telling porkies?

As a devout Lacanian, I mean.

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Reply #38 - Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 3:44pm

Wow the dummy spit continues. Certainly hit a raw nerve there.

freediver wrote on Sep 21^st, 2016 at 1:12am:

Gandalf's lie #2: This site did not report the facts

This site did not report anything about the two term allocation methods and how one was fairer than the other. Contrary to FD's continued claims.

freediver wrote on Sep 21^st, 2016 at 1:12am:

Gandalf's lie #3: OK the media left out the facts

hint FD: best not to make a bs claim about what I said - and then link to a post where I said the exact opposite.

freediver wrote on Sep 21^st, 2016 at 1:12am:

Gandalf's lie #6: Reneging on two bipartisan senate resolutions is not a broken promise

Oh for crying out loud Roll Eyes

This, according to FD is me "lying":

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I think calling it a 'broken promise' is a stretch. The last resolution was made in 2010 and since then the senate has changed twice. How beholden is the current, new senate to this resolution? Its debatable in my book.

Seriously, get a grip.

freediver wrote on Sep 21^st, 2016 at 1:12am:

Gandalf's lie #7: Relevant legislation was passed in 1998 and 2010

Now you've totally lost the plot. I conceded I made a mistake calling it "legislation". Do you actually know what a lie is FD? Really, can you be any more hysterical?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Does this reflect badly on Islam?
Reply #39 - Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 3:55pm

Tell me FD, would you call accusing me of "lying" because I said something that you disagree with - a lie?

Would you describe blatantly misrepresenting me by claiming the 3 articles I posted were to prove the resolutions were reported on - when in fact I couldn't have been more clear that thats not why I posted them - a lie? And what do you call continual evasion about this and your inability to concede that what you said was patently false? Would you call it hypocricy, and/or perhaps irony?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Does this reflect badly on Islam? Reply #40 - Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 3:59pm freediver wrote on Sep 21^st, 2016 at 1:12am: Where should this go on the wiki Gandalf? In the "FD's catalogue of pathetic obsesssion with muslims" section.
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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: Does this reflect badly on Islam? Reply #41 - Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 4:05pm polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 3:59pm: freediver wrote on Sep 21^st, 2016 at 1:12am: Where should this go on the wiki Gandalf? In the "FD's catalogue of pathetic obsesssion with muslims" section. It that avatar is a a photo of you, Gandalf, "pathetic obsession" would describe your problem.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Does this reflect badly on Islam? Reply #42 - Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 4:25pm how so issue? Ustaz Don
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Re: Does this reflect badly on Islam?
Reply #43 - Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 8:56pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2016 at 8:33pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2016 at 6:49pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 19^th, 2016 at 8:22pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 19^th, 2016 at 7:22pm:

Islam is bad for Western societies. Is it 95% bad or 100%?
The one who says 100% - is he telling 5% porkies?

Probably. That 5% is Karnal's and Gandalf's definition of porkies about Islam.

"9/11 had some Muslim victims - therefore it is a porky to say that 9/11 was all about the West."

That kind of nonsense.

You're new here, Frank. Do you support the use of porkies in FD's campaign against the Muselman?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Apparently, Allahu Akhbar is Arabic for 'No Islamic porkies to see here, we are the religion of peace!!"

I didn't know that, Frank. You learn something every day, no?

If I can be so bold, what's your own view on telling porkies?

As a devout Lacanian, I mean.

Since you ask - there is nothing too exotic or too outlandish that you cannot attribute to the sons of Mohammed. It may be laughable and a porky to someone like you but for Muslims there is nothing too outlandish, ridiculous or unbelievable. Nothing.

They think Mohammed was the best of all men!!!! Cheesy

They insist that the Koran is the final and unalterable ord of God!!!!! How is that for colossal porkies??? Can you believe THAT???

And they repeat it every day!!!! They KNOW these are big fat porkies but they are going around repeating them every day!!!! Unbelievable, no?

Mohammed the best of men!!!! Grin

The Koran the word of God, from eternity!!!!!! Cheesy

The oink-oinkingest of porkies of all possible porkies - but they propagate it every day!!!

Can you believe it?? Muslims have no sense of pomo irony, do they???? Primitives, you'd say (think, at any rate).

Good on you, Karnal, for calling out all the porkies wherever you find them.

GOOD ON YOU, you fearless Don Quixote against all porkies. Go forth and lance them.i

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98369	Re: Does this reflect badly on Islam? Reply #44 - Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 9:47pm Thanks, Frank. What does Lacan's godfather Freud have to say about porkies? Oral? Genital? Anal? What say you? No French here, Frank. We're British.
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