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Pro-nuclear countries -progress on climate change
Aug 31^st, 2016 at 3:04pm

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A strong national commitment to nuclear energy goes hand in hand with weak performance on climate change targets, researchers at the University of Sussex and the Vienna School of International Studies have found.

A new study of European countries, published in the journal Climate Policy, shows that the most progress towards reducing carbon emissions and increasing renewable energy sources – as set out in the EU’s 2020 Strategy – has been made by nations without nuclear energy or with plans to reduce it.

Conversely, pro-nuclear countries have been slower to implement wind, solar and hydropower technologies and to tackle emissions.

While it’s difficult to show a causal link, the researchers say the study casts significant doubts on nuclear energy as the answer to combating climate change.'

'The study divides European countries into three, roughly equal in size, distinct groups:

Group 1: no nuclear energy (such as Denmark, Ireland and Norway)
Group 2: existing nuclear commitments but with plans to decommission (eg Germany, Netherlands and Sweden)
Group 3: plans to maintain or expand nuclear capacity (eg Bulgaria, Hungary and the UK)

They found that Group 1 countries had reduced their emissions by an average of six per cent since 2005 and had increased renewable energy sources to 26 per cent.

Group 2 countries, meanwhile, fared even better on emissions reductions, which were down 11 per cent. They grew renewable energy to 19 per cent.

However, Group 3 countries only managed a modest 16 per cent renewables share and emissions on average actually went up (by three per cent).'

http://www.sussex.ac.uk/newsandevents/pressrelease/id/36547

Perhaps the lack of CO2 emissions from nuclear power stations is the reason they don't go for renewables.

The reason for renewables is postulated to be for its lowering of CO2, Yes?

If you have nuclear power, how is an offset of CO2 achievable?

An increase of 3% in emissions from nuclear powered countries would seem to be from manufacturing rather than power generation, which would mean going for renewables would not change a thing.

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Reply #1 - Sep 1^st, 2016 at 7:01am

I don't see a big problem with Nuclear Energy worldwide, especially as its carbon footprint is low.

People often quote the deleterious effects of nuclear power, but in terms of deaths per million person hours, they are much less than that of coal power generation. For that matter, you could argue that solar energy has a higher risk of fatality than nuclear , much to the deep greens' chagrin. (Solar panel installations have been associated with increased fire risk)

I can see a future for hybrid technology in nuclear power generation, and of course nuclear fusion (it will happen one day).

Nuclear is unlikely to gain public acceptance here in Australia, but in places like France, it is accepted, has a good public safety record and should continue in those places.

Like the perception of climate change, nuclear power suffers from what I call the Facebook effect. People these days would prefer to ask their Facebook friends (etc) than listen to professionals. (any professionals)

I was watching that 24 hour emergency shiow last night. There was a young lady who was having a pin extracted from her leg. The doctor was about to give her a local anaesthetic. She said that her mother said that the anaesthetic would give her cancer.

At that stage, I was hoping for a Doc Martin type figure to step in and try to bring her to her senses, but the doctor's bedside manners were disappointingly perfect. He should have said. "Ok, you stupid woman, I'm going to extract this without any anaesthetic, and if I'm lucky, you'll faint because of the pain, and then I won't have to put up with your crap"

She wasn't delirious, she was just an idiot.

Too many people are like that today. There is a disturbing growth in "idiocracy". That's what annoys me so much.

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Reply #2 - Sep 1^st, 2016 at 9:49pm

John_Taverner wrote on Sep 1^st, 2016 at 7:01am:

People often quote the deleterious effects of nuclear power, but in terms of deaths per million person hours, they are much less than that of coal power generation.

That may be true but it suffers greatly from the NIMBY problem
After all there were thousands of people displaced by the Fukushima meltdown, and 5 years later, despite a massive clean up, radiation levels are still too high for them to return to their houses.

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Reply #3 - Sep 1^st, 2016 at 10:52pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 1^st, 2016 at 9:49pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Sep 1^st, 2016 at 7:01am:

People often quote the deleterious effects of nuclear power, but in terms of deaths per million person hours, they are much less than that of coal power generation.

That may be true but it suffers greatly from the NIMBY problem
After all there were thousands of people displaced by the Fukushima meltdown, and 5 years later, despite a massive clean up, radiation levels are still too high for them to return to their houses.

What massive clean up are you referring to?

The location and state of the melt through coriums is still not known. Five plus years later and there is still radioactive groundwater spewing into the Pacific ocean from the Fukushima Daichi Plant.

Just few weeks ago in China 14 Seafood smugglers were arrested for trying to dump seafood that was caught in Fukushima waters and had high levels of radiation.

http://www.efe.com/efe/english/portada/china-arrests-14-for-selling-irradiated-s...

The long lived radionuclides will linger in the environment and concentrate in the ecology and food chain for thousands of years - some millions of years.

So what are the long term health effects of the nuclear power industry and its waste management scam?

(even today, simply living in the northern hemisphere doubles your chance of contracting cancer due to exposure to radiation as compared to the southern hemisphere. The bulk of the nuclear weapons testing sites and location of nuclear power plants are in the northern Hemisphere. Do you know when this health risk differential will equilibrate?)

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John_Taverner Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2217 Gender:	Re: Pro-nuclear countries -progress on climate change Reply #4 - Sep 2^nd, 2016 at 7:59am Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 1^st, 2016 at 10:52pm: Stuff Ha! Hook line and sinker. I got the intended reaction. Seriously though, what are your thoughts on nuclear fusion, WHEN it finally works (which it will) ?
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Reply #5 - Sep 2^nd, 2016 at 8:06am

John_Taverner wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2016 at 7:59am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 1^st, 2016 at 10:52pm:

Stuff

Ha! Hook line and sinker. I got the intended reaction.

Seriously though, what are your thoughts on nuclear fusion, WHEN it finally works (which it will) ?

ah.... that is a completely different animal - with problems of containment of the plasma state. Forcing two hydrogen atoms to fuse, for example in order to form a helium atom concerns you on the public health from John The Taverner?

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Reply #6 - Sep 3^rd, 2016 at 9:20am

Interesting how the Great John underscore Taverner appears out of the ether 24 hours after I summoned thee.

Who is John the Taverner?

In fact, are there any real posters in this forum?

Perhaps the Chimp is the only "real" poster in here along with the sublime Jethro Flute freak.? Who is Mr Photon? Is Bruce lee still alive? Who are these mythical figures of discontent?

Let me see if I can summon the Supreme Batman sooky sooky la la

Where does thou hidest freak bat of Hades?

Reveal yourself sooky sooky la la

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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: Pro-nuclear countries -progress on climate change Reply #8 - Sep 3^rd, 2016 at 10:45pm Yes
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Reply #9 - Sep 4^th, 2016 at 10:50am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 1^st, 2016 at 10:52pm:

What massive clean up are you referring to?

I'm referring to the clean up of the habitable areas. 150,000 people were evacuated from within 20 km of the reactor (effectively being radiation refugees) and 5 years later it is still too radioactive for them to return.

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Now, the nuclear refugees face a dilemma: How much radiation in their former homes is safe? In a herculean effort, authorities have so far scooped up some 9 million cubic meters of contaminated soil and leaves and washed down buildings and roadways with the goal of reducing outdoor radiation exposure to 0.23 microsieverts per hour. Last September, the government began lifting evacuation orders for the seven municipalities wholly or partly within 20 kilometers of the plant. As the work progresses, authorities expect that 70% of the evacuees will be allowed to return home by spring 2017.

But evacuees are torn over safety and compensation issues. Many claim they are being compelled to go home, even though radiation exposure levels, they feel, are still too high.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/five-years-after-meltdown-it-safe-live-ne...

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Reply #10 - Sep 4^th, 2016 at 6:37pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 4^th, 2016 at 10:50am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 1^st, 2016 at 10:52pm:

What massive clean up are you referring to?

I'm referring to the clean up of the habitable areas. 150,000 people were evacuated from within 20 km of the reactor (effectively being radiation refugees) and 5 years later it is still too radioactive for them to return.

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Now, the nuclear refugees face a dilemma: How much radiation in their former homes is safe? In a herculean effort, authorities have so far scooped up some 9 million cubic meters of contaminated soil and leaves and washed down buildings and roadways with the goal of reducing outdoor radiation exposure to 0.23 microsieverts per hour. Last September, the government began lifting evacuation orders for the seven municipalities wholly or partly within 20 kilometers of the plant. As the work progresses, authorities expect that 70% of the evacuees will be allowed to return home by spring 2017.

But evacuees are torn over safety and compensation issues. Many claim they are being compelled to go home, even though radiation exposure levels, they feel, are still too high.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/five-years-after-meltdown-it-safe-live-ne...

of course it is still radioactive - its not possible to remove all the top soil and decontaminate all buildings from several prefectures in Japan.

In fact Tokyo itself is contaminated with radioactive dust. Much of it contains microscopic glass spheres - directly produced by the exploding fallout material in the days post 11/03/11

The discharge of 400,000 litres per day of contaminated groundwater in the pacific since the accident is an environmental disaster of epic proportions.

It is no wonder that radioactive seafood is being detected by many different countries - including China and also the USA (even though the US is very reluctant to monitor food safety for radioactive contaminants - especially imports from Japan)

Media has been appallingly complicit in what has now become a global scale health issue

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Reply #11 - Sep 4^th, 2016 at 6:41pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2016 at 9:20am:

Interesting how the Great John underscore Taverner appears out of the ether 24 hours after I summoned thee.

Who is John the Taverner?

In fact, are there any real posters in this forum?

Perhaps the Chimp is the only "real" poster in here along with the sublime Jethro Flute freak.? Who is Mr Photon? Is Bruce lee still alive? Who are these mythical figures of discontent?

Let me see if I can summon the Supreme Batman sooky sooky la la

Where does thou hidest freak bat of Hades?

Reveal yourself sooky sooky la la

http://i.imgur.com/eP59jz3.jpg

G'day hairy arse how they hanging.....?

Still spreading your bird droppings all over the place I see.

Self ban you Neanderthal who claims to be a lecturer.

Do you ban your students from healthy debate about the climate because the science is settled.....?

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1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: Pro-nuclear countries -progress on climate change Reply #12 - Sep 4^th, 2016 at 6:58pm Right on cue - the summoned sooky sooky la la appears from the ether like some sort of deranged weasel freak puppet clown well done Batdung - how has life been with you? Still deceiving the public with your Flat earth AGW denialist garbage I see well done mate - keep up the great work in here.
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Reply #13 - Sep 4^th, 2016 at 7:12pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 4^th, 2016 at 6:58pm:

Right on cue - the summoned sooky sooky la la appears from the ether like some sort of deranged weasel freak puppet clown

well done Batdung - how has life been with you?

Still deceiving the public with your Flat earth AGW denialist garbage I see

well done mate - keep up the great work in here.

http://i.imgur.com/eP59jz3.jpg

You didn't answer my question you red arsed baboon..!!

Do you forbid healthy debate on climate in your lectures because the science is supposedly settled...??

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2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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Reply #14 - Sep 4^th, 2016 at 10:05pm

Ajax wrote on Sep 4^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 4^th, 2016 at 6:58pm:

Right on cue - the summoned sooky sooky la la appears from the ether like some sort of deranged weasel freak puppet clown

well done Batdung - how has life been with you?

Still deceiving the public with your Flat earth AGW denialist garbage I see

well done mate - keep up the great work in here.

http://i.imgur.com/eP59jz3.jpg

You didn't answer my question you red arsed baboon..!!

Do you forbid healthy debate on climate in your lectures because the science is supposedly settled...??

you deeply hurt my feelings with that barrage of personal insults. I doubt that I will be able to recover from this you stenched up slab of putrid excremental sludge paste

You are so lucky that I havent decided to demand a written apology from you Batcrap

As I said, I summoned the sooky sooky la la, and lo and behold he appears like a vampiric sloth maggot.

I am starting to suspect that there are only 2 or 3 genuine posters on this ridiculous forum

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