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Reply #15 - Jul 30th, 2016 at 10:50am
 
It'S TIME TO BAN POLITICAL DONATIONS

No it is well past that time.
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Reply #16 - Jul 30th, 2016 at 11:09am
 
[quote author=The_Grappler link=1469762464/13#13 date=1469837232]Don't forget to add in buying time to a sit-down with the Minister or whatever.... won't stop the long lunches etc, but get some real investigative media on-board and the photos will fly thick and fast....

Treasurer Mike "Little" Ripper caught doing lunch with business head!!


Lateral Party said to be in turmoil over minister buying scandal!  Midnight meeting called by PM!



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Reply #17 - Jul 30th, 2016 at 1:30pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 30th, 2016 at 10:14am:
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 30th, 2016 at 8:44am:
Nobody mentioned it though. It was all about business donations, am I right?


So OK you're happy to ensure the likes of the CFMEU doesn't fleece its members or blackmail businesses and then channel the money to Labor, you're happy to ENSURE that, how do you suggest political campaigns be funded. Because they have to be funded.

More taxpayers' money I suppose.


the story is about donations from mining companies ... the title of the OP doesn't differentiate between union or business, it just says that it's time to ban political donation ... ALL OF THEM

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Reply #18 - Jul 30th, 2016 at 1:44pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 30th, 2016 at 1:30pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 30th, 2016 at 10:14am:
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 30th, 2016 at 8:44am:
Nobody mentioned it though. It was all about business donations, am I right?


So OK you're happy to ensure the likes of the CFMEU doesn't fleece its members or blackmail businesses and then channel the money to Labor, you're happy to ENSURE that, how do you suggest political campaigns be funded. Because they have to be funded.

More taxpayers' money I suppose.


the story is about donations from mining companies ... the title of the OP doesn't differentiate between union or business, it just says that it's time to ban political donation ... ALL OF THEM




Evidence of the CFMEU fleecing its members and blackmailing businesses.... the Royal Commission found no such thing.
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Reply #19 - Jul 30th, 2016 at 1:57pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 30th, 2016 at 1:30pm:
So OK you're happy to ensure the likes of the CFMEU doesn't fleece its members or blackmail businesses and then channel the money to Labor, you're happy to ENSURE that, how do you suggest political campaigns be funded. Because they have to be funded.

More taxpayers' money I suppose.



Firstly, learn to quote ... you've been on here long enough.

Secondly, I don't care what the CFMEU does, as long as they stop ALL donations to political parties. You guys cry that labor does the unions bidding, but then when someone suggests a way to stop that, you cry even more.

As to how to fund it

Provide a govt. funded central pot that gives each candidate an equal amount to spend on political campaigning only. If they blow it all in a week, that's their tough luck. If they have any left over, it gets refunded to the pot.  They can't use it for any purpose other than what it is intended for .. ie election campaigns.  Any money must be accompanied by a receipt. If the altruistic want to donate towards democracy, that money goes into the central pot, which then gets distributed amongst all candidates. No one person becomes beholden to any corporation or union. No corporation can attach conditions to their donation because by the time it gets distributed equally, its not enough to affect each candidates vote to change.
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Reply #20 - Jul 30th, 2016 at 2:09pm
 
Who votes the size of the pot?

Oh pollies.

Do we get to see how much of our individual income tax is going into that pot?
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Reply #21 - Jul 30th, 2016 at 2:12pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 30th, 2016 at 2:09pm:
Who votes the size of the pot?

Oh pollies.

Do we get to see how much of our individual income tax is going into that pot?


I would think that there is no limit to the size of the pot, only to the size of the govt's contribution to it. 
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Reply #22 - Jul 30th, 2016 at 2:13pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 30th, 2016 at 2:09pm:
Do we get to see how much of our individual income tax is going into that pot?


it would form part of the govt.s budget, as do all the other expenses
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Reply #23 - Jul 30th, 2016 at 2:19pm
 
some interesting points ....


To take just one issue, Australia is not one of the 114 out of 180 countries that ban donations to political parties from foreign interests. Transparency can be impossible to achieve when donations come from other countries.

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Canada has extensive regulation, banning corporate and union donations, imposing caps on individual donations and limits on candidate, party and third-party expenditure – that is, expenditure by groups other than candidates or political parties during an election campaign.

New Zealand also limits expenditure by parties and third parties. Its electoral commission is responsible for party broadcasting allocation (free time and money for paid advertising).

The United Kingdom has limits on expenditure by political parties and third parties. Paid advertising in electronic media isn’t allowed at all.

In 2008, the House of Lords upheld the prohibition. It argued the ban was necessary to maintain a level playing field and prevent “well-endowed interests" from using “the power of the purse to give enhanced prominence to their views”.

In Australia, the cost of television advertising and associated market research has driven political parties to chase ever-greater donations. Both political donations and the negative advertising these buy increase distrust in politicians and political parties.

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To safeguard integrity, we need transparency and other measures so that those with vested interests in government contracts or regulation cannot buy access and influence.

The second reason for regulating political donations is to promote political equality, a defining feature of democratic citizenship.

Parties without wealthy backers should not have their message drowned out by those that do. And corporate donors should not be able to buy political access far in excess of what other citizens enjoy.

A third reason for regulating donations is to ensure those elected to be political representatives don’t instead spend their time chasing donations.



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