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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation Reply #15 - Jul 27^th, 2016 at 3:37pm Kat wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:30am: Get another horse, willya? That one's dead. so says the dole-bludger
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Reply #16 - Jul 27^th, 2016 at 3:39pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:58am:

I agree Swag....John Howard and Peter Costello pork barrelling and introducing socialist policies like the baby bonus, CGT, Negative Gearing and subsidising private health insurance is the reason our budget is in structural deficit....The problem is no Government has the guts to take away what is now considered a right by the public....The tax take is not the problem it is where it is being wasted to buy votes for the major parties!!!

Angry

and ironically, CGT, negative gearing and baby bonus are LABOR polices.

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Reply #17 - Jul 27^th, 2016 at 9:00pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 3:39pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:58am:

I agree Swag....John Howard and Peter Costello pork barrelling and introducing socialist policies like the baby bonus, CGT, Negative Gearing and subsidising private health insurance is the reason our budget is in structural deficit....The problem is no Government has the guts to take away what is now considered a right by the public....The tax take is not the problem it is where it is being wasted to buy votes for the major parties!!!

Angry

and ironically, CGT, negative gearing and baby bonus are LABOR polices.

It is explained in the link Longy!!!

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Peter Costello's five most 'profligate' decisions as treasurer cost the budget $56bn a year

http://www.tai.org.au/content/peter-costellos-five-most-profligate-decisions-tre...

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/the-babybonus-blues-howard...

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Reply #18 - Jul 28^th, 2016 at 4:27pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 9:47am:

Swagman wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 9:12am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:55am:

Swaggie just wants the wealth to improve from the oft quoted 1% of the population has more wealth than the other 99%

To be 0.5% of the population having more wealth than the other 99.5%

Much fairer eh Swag

I didn't mention wealth Reddy......just tax.

But what individuals do with the money that they earn has FA to do with the State as long as it's legal anyway. If one chooses to work longer and harder and earn more brass, then one shouldn't be extorted by those lazy ones that choose not to, and prefer to pee their (or other people's) money up the wall.

You could have 2 individuals on exactly the same income for 50 years, one wastes all his cash whilst the other saves and accumulates wealth. At retirement, one has to continue to pay for the other idiot, and that other idiot will have the hide to whinge that he's not getting enough services and pension and vote accordingly with all the other majority idiots (that's an ochlocracy Reddy Cheesy

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Paying tax is a duty of a citizen in a civilised democracy like ours Swag.

Perhaps you should move to some impoverished African country with little or no rule of law and see how you go.

Then why do so many people in this country pay no effective tax if it is a duty?

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Reply #19 - Jul 28^th, 2016 at 4:29pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 9:00pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 3:39pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:58am:

I agree Swag....John Howard and Peter Costello pork barrelling and introducing socialist policies like the baby bonus, CGT, Negative Gearing and subsidising private health insurance is the reason our budget is in structural deficit....The problem is no Government has the guts to take away what is now considered a right by the public....The tax take is not the problem it is where it is being wasted to buy votes for the major parties!!!

Angry

and ironically, CGT, negative gearing and baby bonus are LABOR polices.

It is explained in the link Longy!!!

Quote:

Peter Costello's five most 'profligate' decisions as treasurer cost the budget $56bn a year

http://www.tai.org.au/content/peter-costellos-five-most-profligate-decisions-tre...

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/the-babybonus-blues-howard...

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always good to read the nonsense about how everything is Howard/Costello's fault and yet somehow the fact that Labor in 6 years almost DOUBLE expenditure apparently has nothing to do with it.

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Reply #20 - Jul 28^th, 2016 at 5:12pm

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always good to read the nonsense about how everything is Howard/Costello's fault and yet somehow the fact that Labor in 6 years almost DOUBLE expenditure apparently has nothing to do with it. [/quote]

always good to read the nonsense about how everything is Rudd/Wayne's fault and yet somehow the fact that Lib in 3 years almost DOUBLE expenditure/deficit apparently has nothing to do with it.

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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation Reply #21 - Jul 28^th, 2016 at 7:35pm longweekend58 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 3:37pm: Kat wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:30am: Get another horse, willya? That one's dead. so says the dole-bludger POAD, dropkick.
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Reply #22 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 12:51am

Yes - those of us at the bottom end of the economic scale are sick and tired of paying 100% of our incomes back into the economy via taxation. Every time we buy something we pay tax, and every time we buy something, our fund of dollars is shorter by tens of percent.... then we spend some more for the same result....

What I'd give for one day of hanging on the end of that high income cliff and only keeping 55% after deductions .... good for the back that is!

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Reply #23 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 6:58am

Those doing well, need to recognise that welfare and income redistribution work in their favour, but not for the reasons you think.

If everyone had to grind it out and get on the narrow road to success, then that road would get pretty congested.

Our welfare system, basicly allows people to survive with a leeching and parasitic frame of mind.
they will never do more then just cope and they will lead a very mediocre life.

i suppose , one could say, that welfare is the consolation prize for having a mediocre personal philosophy.
But , the sad thing is, that this frame of thinking will then pervade the other aspects of their lives. their relationships with family, friends, children, the environment will all be about "me and getting my needs met"

Never accept a dollar you didnt earn.
If you do, you are compromising your core beliefs. the welfare dollar, the free meal, the easy weight loss pill, porn instead of finding a great girlfriend, sugar instead of eating great green vegetables.....every time you take the easy route in life, you are just sewing the seeds for your own personal disaster.

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stunspore Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5097 Gender:	Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation Reply #24 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 7:13am Nonsense on exploitation.
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Reply #25 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 8:10am

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 12:51am:

Yes - those of us at the bottom end of the economic scale are sick and tired of paying 100% of our incomes back into the economy via taxation. Every time we buy something we pay tax, and every time we buy something, our fund of dollars is shorter by tens of percent.... then we spend some more for the same result....

What I'd give for one day of hanging on the end of that high income cliff and only keeping 55% after deductions .... good for the back that is!

Check your maths. 10% is not 100% Cheesy

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Reply #26 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 10:51pm

Swagman wrote on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 8:10am:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 12:51am:

Yes - those of us at the bottom end of the economic scale are sick and tired of paying 100% of our incomes back into the economy via taxation. Every time we buy something we pay tax, and every time we buy something, our fund of dollars is shorter by tens of percent.... then we spend some more for the same result....

What I'd give for one day of hanging on the end of that high income cliff and only keeping 55% after deductions .... good for the back that is!

Check your maths. 10% is not 100% Cheesy

You stuck on income tax again - have you not yet learnt The Grappler School of Economics Principle of The Taxation Cycle?

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Reply #27 - Jul 30^th, 2016 at 12:17pm

Swagman wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:25am:

It's a sad indictment of our flawed democracy (ochlocracy) that the majority at the ballot box that pay the minority of tax exploit the minority at the ballot box that pay the majority of tax.

Rather than constantly whinging and whining why don't you offer a solution.

Are you saying that peoples vote should be weighted according to how much tax they pay?

Since income tax is less than half the total tax revenue perhaps companies should also be given a vote which is weighted according to the amount of tax they pay.

Would that be a good society to live in?

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