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Re: Fascist Right Wants Indefinite Detention
Reply #60 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 6:42pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 6:17pm:
You Kumbaya mutha fkkers are a hoot.  Grin Grin

Yes gaol is to punish, and if you are an evil PoS then dying behind bars is what is in store for you. Some people no matter how many pinky swears they make to you left wing soft c0cks, will just walk out of the revolving door and do it again.

So if you want unrepentant recidivist rapist, paedophiles and terrorist to walk out and do it again; let them move in to your place for a year or 2. But like all good lefties you will let them walk free and not give a fkk what they do next, not your problem is it?

If we can't kill them then we should then incarcerate indefinitely as the next best option.


Also your comment on bikies and abos; yeah that was just stupid.  Grin Grin Grin Grin


Incorrect - jail is AS punishment, not for punishment..... your view belongs back in the nineteenth century with the Bloody Assizes....
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Reply #61 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 6:43pm
 
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Bobby. wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 4:50pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 7:31am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 6:01am:
It's a good idea if they still pose a threat.

We can't have terrorists on our streets.


I agree Bobby, although I do have reservations about any Government abusing these new laws to label an individuals as a terrorist even if they have not killed anyone but pose a risk no matter how obscure....If the laws are well targeted and have oversight and review processes I think the Government had a duty to protect society from people who have forfeited their right to live amongst law abiding citizens....We do it for serious offenders already and no offence is more heinous that killing your fellow human beings in the name of a God!!!

Huh Huh Huh



Wouldn't it be simpler to just hang them?



Perhaps that is the longer game being played Bobby. First this and then argue the cost of imprisoning a teenager for the next eighty years against burning her at the stake in the town square.



They should never have been in jail -

they should have been hanged.
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Re: Fascist Right Wants Indefinite Detention
Reply #62 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 6:43pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 6:39pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 6:22pm:
I can think of more than one reason for jail, as a deterrent, as a punishment and to remove from society to protect society. 


They are the three reasons entirely.


Political and/or economic reasons as well.

Neither of which are necessarily covered by the deterrent/punishment/protection doctrine.
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Reply #63 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 6:44pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 6:43pm:
____ wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 5:01pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 4:50pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 7:31am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 6:01am:
It's a good idea if they still pose a threat.

We can't have terrorists on our streets.


I agree Bobby, although I do have reservations about any Government abusing these new laws to label an individuals as a terrorist even if they have not killed anyone but pose a risk no matter how obscure....If the laws are well targeted and have oversight and review processes I think the Government had a duty to protect society from people who have forfeited their right to live amongst law abiding citizens....We do it for serious offenders already and no offence is more heinous that killing your fellow human beings in the name of a God!!!

Huh Huh Huh



Wouldn't it be simpler to just hang them?



Perhaps that is the longer game being played Bobby. First this and then argue the cost of imprisoning a teenager for the next eighty years against burning her at the stake in the town square.



They should never have been in jail -

they should have been hanged.



Are you pro abortion bobby?
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Reply #64 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 6:45pm
 
____ wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 3:31pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 2:27pm:
____ wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 2:00pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 1:46pm:
____ wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 11:35am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 11:08am:
____ wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 9:46am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 9:32am:
____ wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 9:05am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:49am:
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BigOl64 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 5:26am:
____ wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 12:08am:
Government moves towards indefinite detention for some terrorists in push for new anti-terror laws

Australia is taking a step towards indefinite detention for some convicted terrorists, with the Federal Government pushing for legislation in every state so terrorists could be kept in jail after their sentences expire if a court says they would reoffend.
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Keeping terrorists in jail after their sentence expires raises legal concerns about procedural fairness and double punishment.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-25/government-push-for-new-anti-terror-laws/7...



Typical socialist you can always find a reason to release a filthy criminals out into the streets to carry on as usual; does't matter if they are terrorists, rapists or paedophiles they all get released.

This is why the death penalty is the preferred method of punishment.


But never fear the scumbag lawyers and magistrates will have your terrorist mates back on the streets killing whitey before you can say thanks, ya PoS.  Angry





So the purpose of jailing isn't rehabilitation, it's revenge.
And the slippery slope continues. It's now indefinite detention for rapists also.
What about motor bike club members ... what about aboriginals ... surely they all will reoffend ?






As usual, you re ignorant and ill-informed.  Indefinite detention must pass through cabinet and be subject to judicial oversight.


The same cabinet that wants to out manoeuvre the far right minor parties and use this as a tool to whack over Labor's head, soon to be claiming they are weak on terror. The same tactic they used on Labor concerning refugees who come by boats.

And as for judicial oversight, you mean the high court judges chosen by the government?





point to a single politically-biased High Court decision and you can then make a claim. Up until then, you are simply demonstrating your ignorance of the High court, most of whose members were appointed by both parties many many years ago.



All human decisions have biases behind them ... to pretend humans are mechanical automatons, doesn't assist your position.



So why did Cheif Justice Michael Kirby - and openly gay man - vote down the gay marriage attempt?  simple. he was voing on the constitution, not his own opinions or bias.  Most people have the ability to do the right thing. Just coz you cant....



Cherry picking season aye.

Biases underpin all human decisions.
To imply sexuality as the dominate influence in queer people's decisions, represents your own bias.




the question was BIAS in the judicaryand particularly, the High Court. I provided a perfect example of why such bias does not exist.

Naturally, you could not accept it

idiot.



Incorrect. When you cherry picked, you chose only one bias to judge the decision on, while ignored all the other potential biases that influenced the decision.

Your score    
F
for F.wit.


quite the contrary idiot-features. You complain long and loud about every decision you think is wrong despite not having the brainpower to know why it was right and you were wrong. The Gay Marriage appeal was rejected because the law absolutely forbade it. It was a legal decision - which is exactly what we want from a high court.



You've been in prison, how would you know anything about what I may or may not have said.
Unless you are still a compulsive liar ... or your defacto Maria told you so ... and if so, her view is biassed.



Longie's been in prison?  I didn't know that.....

Aside:-  Just adding my extension to the never-ending quotes here.....
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Reply #65 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 6:47pm
 
It's the state's responsibility to stop recidivism. If they are unable to do the job, then the state should be punished, not the person that hasn't been set on a less harmful path.

I think you should come back to us when you have a chance to think about that.

I only need to see jail as a way of keeping people from doing more damage,,, the punishment angle is just a bonus.
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Reply #66 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 6:53pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 6:42pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 6:17pm:
You Kumbaya mutha fkkers are a hoot.  Grin Grin

Yes gaol is to punish, and if you are an evil PoS then dying behind bars is what is in store for you. Some people no matter how many pinky swears they make to you left wing soft c0cks, will just walk out of the revolving door and do it again.

So if you want unrepentant recidivist rapist, paedophiles and terrorist to walk out and do it again; let them move in to your place for a year or 2. But like all good lefties you will let them walk free and not give a fkk what they do next, not your problem is it?

If we can't kill them then we should then incarcerate indefinitely as the next best option.


Also your comment on bikies and abos; yeah that was just stupid.  Grin Grin Grin Grin


Incorrect - jail is AS punishment, not for punishment..... your view belongs back in the nineteenth century with the Bloody Assizes....



Ok then gaol is society's bonus reward for a job well done. Progressive enough for you?  Grin Grin Grin Grin

And if you can't stop doing such a great job as a child rapist or terrorist then the reward should be indefinite.

If you want, you could always sing your rendition kumbaya to them as they rot away waiting to die.  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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Re: Fascist Right Wants Indefinite Detention
Reply #67 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 7:14pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 6:53pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 6:42pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 6:17pm:
You Kumbaya mutha fkkers are a hoot.  Grin Grin

Yes gaol is to punish, and if you are an evil PoS then dying behind bars is what is in store for you. Some people no matter how many pinky swears they make to you left wing soft c0cks, will just walk out of the revolving door and do it again.

So if you want unrepentant recidivist rapist, paedophiles and terrorist to walk out and do it again; let them move in to your place for a year or 2. But like all good lefties you will let them walk free and not give a fkk what they do next, not your problem is it?

If we can't kill them then we should then incarcerate indefinitely as the next best option.


Also your comment on bikies and abos; yeah that was just stupid.  Grin Grin Grin Grin


Incorrect - jail is AS punishment, not for punishment..... your view belongs back in the nineteenth century with the Bloody Assizes....



Ok then gaol is society's bonus reward for a job well done. Progressive enough for you?  Grin Grin Grin Grin

And if you can't stop doing such a great job as a child rapist or terrorist then the reward should be indefinite.

If you want, you could always sing your rendition kumbaya to them as they rot away waiting to die.  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



But.. but.. but... what about all that rehabilitation in prisons?

You are evading the point I made - a person is not sent to prison to be punished - they are sent to prison as a means of punishment, and the time they serve IS the punishment.  Once that debt is paid and there is a cry to hold on to them at any cost, you then enter the very dark realm of holding a person without legal cause.... now maybe in Iran and Congolia or wherever your brethren and fellow travelers do that... but here.. we don't.

Ve do not hier hold der Enemies off Der Schtate indefinitely, and an indefinite period of confinement is considered by all civilised jurisdictions to be a 'cruel and unusual punishment' having no place in our legal system.

Not hard really.
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Reply #68 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 7:24pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 7:14pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 6:53pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 6:42pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 6:17pm:
You Kumbaya mutha fkkers are a hoot.  Grin Grin

Yes gaol is to punish, and if you are an evil PoS then dying behind bars is what is in store for you. Some people no matter how many pinky swears they make to you left wing soft c0cks, will just walk out of the revolving door and do it again.

So if you want unrepentant recidivist rapist, paedophiles and terrorist to walk out and do it again; let them move in to your place for a year or 2. But like all good lefties you will let them walk free and not give a fkk what they do next, not your problem is it?

If we can't kill them then we should then incarcerate indefinitely as the next best option.


Also your comment on bikies and abos; yeah that was just stupid.  Grin Grin Grin Grin


Incorrect - jail is AS punishment, not for punishment..... your view belongs back in the nineteenth century with the Bloody Assizes....



Ok then gaol is society's bonus reward for a job well done. Progressive enough for you?  Grin Grin Grin Grin

And if you can't stop doing such a great job as a child rapist or terrorist then the reward should be indefinite.

If you want, you could always sing your rendition kumbaya to them as they rot away waiting to die.  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



But.. but.. but... what about all that rehabilitation in prisons?

You are evading the point I made - a person is not sent to prison to be punished - they are sent to prison as a means of punishment, and the time they serve IS the punishment.  Once that debt is paid and there is a cry to hold on to them at any cost, you then enter the very dark realm of holding a person without legal cause.... now maybe in Iran and Congolia or wherever your brethren and fellow travelers do that... but here.. we don't.

Ve do not hier hold der Enemies off Der Schtate indefinitely, and an indefinite period of confinement is considered by all civilised jurisdictions to be a 'cruel and unusual punishment' having no place in our legal system.

Not hard really.



We do it already with child rapists, but there is always a bottom feeding lawyer who gets them out so they can keep on raping to their hearts content; so don't panic too much in this country every PoS scumbag crim gets out to 'have aother go' lefties make sure of that.


It's just for show; socialist lawyers and judges love paedophiles and terrorist and make sure they don't spend too much time behind bars, so rejoice, life for crims will remain the same. Unrepentant and easy.



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Reply #69 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 7:34pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 7:24pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 7:14pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 6:53pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 6:42pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 6:17pm:
You Kumbaya mutha fkkers are a hoot.  Grin Grin

Yes gaol is to punish, and if you are an evil PoS then dying behind bars is what is in store for you. Some people no matter how many pinky swears they make to you left wing soft c0cks, will just walk out of the revolving door and do it again.

So if you want unrepentant recidivist rapist, paedophiles and terrorist to walk out and do it again; let them move in to your place for a year or 2. But like all good lefties you will let them walk free and not give a fkk what they do next, not your problem is it?

If we can't kill them then we should then incarcerate indefinitely as the next best option.


Also your comment on bikies and abos; yeah that was just stupid.  Grin Grin Grin Grin


Incorrect - jail is AS punishment, not for punishment..... your view belongs back in the nineteenth century with the Bloody Assizes....



Ok then gaol is society's bonus reward for a job well done. Progressive enough for you?  Grin Grin Grin Grin

And if you can't stop doing such a great job as a child rapist or terrorist then the reward should be indefinite.

If you want, you could always sing your rendition kumbaya to them as they rot away waiting to die.  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



But.. but.. but... what about all that rehabilitation in prisons?

You are evading the point I made - a person is not sent to prison to be punished - they are sent to prison as a means of punishment, and the time they serve IS the punishment.  Once that debt is paid and there is a cry to hold on to them at any cost, you then enter the very dark realm of holding a person without legal cause.... now maybe in Iran and Congolia or wherever your brethren and fellow travelers do that... but here.. we don't.

Ve do not hier hold der Enemies off Der Schtate indefinitely, and an indefinite period of confinement is considered by all civilised jurisdictions to be a 'cruel and unusual punishment' having no place in our legal system.

Not hard really.



We do it already with child rapists, but there is always a bottom feeding lawyer who gets them out so they can keep on raping to their hearts content; so don't panic too much in this country every PoS scumbag crim gets out to 'have aother go' lefties make sure of that.


It's just for show; socialist lawyers and judges love paedophiles and terrorist and make sure they don't spend too much time behind bars, so rejoice, life for crims will remain the same. Unrepentant and easy.





One merely has to wonder what message this ongoing violent use of law is sending to people.  I've long argued that no government can stamp out bullying by bullying bullies... there simply has to be a better way.

Call me a leftie all you like - I simply said to the ex that a fatal fall while trying to escape down the back stairs sounded a good option...
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