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Reply #15 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:30am
 
issuevoter wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:26am:
Yes, that's right. Blame our government for trying to protect us.



Then why release anyone, who could be a risk to society?

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I would have Death by Firing Squad the standard response for these kind of vermin, and so anything less than Capital Punishment for these subhumans is a travesty of justice. 
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Reply #17 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:38am
 
salad in wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:29am:
This is a bad move. It was made before the obligatory overseas junket fact-finding-mission to Paris, Rome, London, New York, Brussels, and Vienna.

Of course the minister undertaking this most dangerous mission will be accompanied by his or her partner/spouse. Also along for the ride will be the usual retinue; spin doctor, media adviser, secretary, research assisant; and a full pad of travel allowance claim forms.

If the minister is on the ball he or she can coincide the trip to enable him or her to attend the Opéra national de Paris' staging of Eliogabalo at the  Palais Garnier. It would be a shame to overwork any of our alleged politicians.


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Reply #18 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:40am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 6:01am:
It's a good idea if they still pose a threat.

We can't have terrorists on our streets.


Better there than to have them in our parliaments and police
'farces' as is currently the case in most of the West.

BRING ON THE WESTERN WAR!!!!
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Reply #19 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:47am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 6:01am:
It's a good idea if they still pose a threat.

We can't have terrorists on our streets.


Totally agree!

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Typical socialist you can always find a reason to release a filthy criminals out into the streets to carry on as usual; does't matter if they are terrorists, rapists or paedophiles they all get released.


You do speak a lot of crap at time BigOl, don't judge all lefties by what the GreenNut says.


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Reply #20 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:49am
 
____ wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:19am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 5:26am:
____ wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 12:08am:
Government moves towards indefinite detention for some terrorists in push for new anti-terror laws

Australia is taking a step towards indefinite detention for some convicted terrorists, with the Federal Government pushing for legislation in every state so terrorists could be kept in jail after their sentences expire if a court says they would reoffend.
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Keeping terrorists in jail after their sentence expires raises legal concerns about procedural fairness and double punishment.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-25/government-push-for-new-anti-terror-laws/7...



Typical socialist you can always find a reason to release a filthy criminals out into the streets to carry on as usual; does't matter if they are terrorists, rapists or paedophiles they all get released.

This is why the death penalty is the preferred method of punishment.


But never fear the scumbag lawyers and magistrates will have your terrorist mates back on the streets killing whitey before you can say thanks, ya PoS.  Angry





So the purpose of jailing isn't rehabilitation, it's revenge.
And the slippery slope continues. It's now indefinite detention for rapists also.
What about motor bike club members ... what about aboriginals ... surely they all will reoffend ?






As usual, you re ignorant and ill-informed.  Indefinite detention must pass through cabinet and be subject to judicial oversight.
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Reply #21 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:51am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:34am:
I would have Death by Firing Squad the standard response for these kind of vermin, and so anything less than Capital Punishment for these subhumans is a travesty of justice. 


Your love of violence and murder is a blight on your character.
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Reply #22 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:53am
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 12:36am:
Wait until they want indefinite detention for their own citizens..... not joking... we are on the way there already...

Oops - sorry - I thought you were talking about refugees...

There have been several disturbing moves in legislation in recent years, starting in the early 1990's with the 'domestic violence' issue, with its automatic finding of guilt and its criminalisation of people on complaint....... at that time I associated that move with the POTA laws (Prevention of Terrorism Act) in Britain, which stipulated that a person's contacts and movement could be circumscribed and limited, even though they had not been convicted of any genuine offence.  Furthermore, a breach of such restrictions lead to a criminal conviction - this is precisely the style of legalised abuse of law set in place here by our respective governments (I will take this opportunity to thank our learned member, Longie, for opening up argument on these issues earlier), to cater to the victim industry surrounding inter-personal relationship complaints.

Another part of such legislation was that a person suspected of an act of terrorism could be held longer than the statutory 24 hours without charge... up to 72 I think it was.

We have also seen that in some cases a government will apply a regulatory extension of detention on a person who has completed sentence for a convicted offence.. such as paedophiles and rapists etc... none of whom garner much in the way of public sympathy.  This is a deliberate undermining by regulation of the rights of the courts - who despite their blatant hypocrisy, wrongful leaning against accused persons, and blithe acceptance of nonsense as evidence, remain our only barrier to an overwhelming dictatorship of government and its arms of law enforcement.

There are similarities here to the 'commission' into domestic violence, which took in masses of anecdotal evidence from remote Aboriginal communities rife with abuse and alcoholism etc, and then extrapolated the findings of that 'study' to the entire community, thus automatically creating of any person alleged to have committed some wrong a person subject to legal intervention, regardless of facts and evidence, and thus creating an environment of 'conviction on accusation'.

The problem with this, even though nobody has sympathy for rapists, abusers and paedophiles etc, is that such actions must always be seen as the thin edge of the wedge in a calculated attack on Civil and Legal Rights here and now... and in reality has been for nearly twenty five years here in Australia.

Now where's Longie to tell me I'm wrong?  Roll Eyes




EVERY post on legal issues has your wanking on endlessly in defence of the AVO that was awarded AGAINST you.  Give it up.  Even now you basically support perpetrators of domestiviolence - ie YOU.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #23 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:56am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:27am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:12am:
philperth2010 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:05am:
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 7:51am:
You're out of date Phil.

Fascism = authoritarianism + intolerance. These characteristics now relate more to the left than the right.
Keep up.


Considering these laws could be used to push authoritarianism and intolerance we should be very wary of allowing any Government to have these powers....If Peter Dutton or Scott Morrison continue down the road of secrecy and silence how do we know what is being done in our name....If it is open and accountable I will support the Government to protect its citizens!!!

Huh Huh Huh


I agree with you, but keep in mind that we already have such laws and they are subject to judicial oversight in that you cannot indefinitely retain someone without regular review. With that in place I dont have problems with it. But only as long as their is judicial oversight and regular (eg annual) review.


The lessons of David Hicks and Dr Haneef have taught us that judicial oversight is not always a safe guard against a Government willing to put politics before justice....As you say as long as their is an open and accountable process the Government must protect its citizens from terrorism!!!

Huh Huh Huh


If you are looking for a perfect, equitable and error-free system then you will keep looking. All we can ever do is aim to improve things and rectify our mistakes. I have a lot of sympathy for Haneef but none for Hicks. Haneef literally did nothing at all while Hicks trained with terrorists.
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Reply #24 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 9:03am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:53am:
EVERY post on legal issues has your wanking on endlessly.....


And what's wrong with wanking? It's out of control in political circles.
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Reply #25 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 9:05am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:49am:
____ wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:19am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 5:26am:
____ wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 12:08am:
Government moves towards indefinite detention for some terrorists in push for new anti-terror laws

Australia is taking a step towards indefinite detention for some convicted terrorists, with the Federal Government pushing for legislation in every state so terrorists could be kept in jail after their sentences expire if a court says they would reoffend.
...

Keeping terrorists in jail after their sentence expires raises legal concerns about procedural fairness and double punishment.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-25/government-push-for-new-anti-terror-laws/7...



Typical socialist you can always find a reason to release a filthy criminals out into the streets to carry on as usual; does't matter if they are terrorists, rapists or paedophiles they all get released.

This is why the death penalty is the preferred method of punishment.


But never fear the scumbag lawyers and magistrates will have your terrorist mates back on the streets killing whitey before you can say thanks, ya PoS.  Angry





So the purpose of jailing isn't rehabilitation, it's revenge.
And the slippery slope continues. It's now indefinite detention for rapists also.
What about motor bike club members ... what about aboriginals ... surely they all will reoffend ?






As usual, you re ignorant and ill-informed.  Indefinite detention must pass through cabinet and be subject to judicial oversight.


The same cabinet that wants to out manoeuvre the far right minor parties and use this as a tool to whack over Labor's head, soon to be claiming they are weak on terror. The same tactic they used on Labor concerning refugees who come by boats.

And as for judicial oversight, you mean the high court judges chosen by the government?

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Reply #26 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 9:32am
 
____ wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 9:05am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:49am:
____ wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:19am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 5:26am:
____ wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 12:08am:
Government moves towards indefinite detention for some terrorists in push for new anti-terror laws

Australia is taking a step towards indefinite detention for some convicted terrorists, with the Federal Government pushing for legislation in every state so terrorists could be kept in jail after their sentences expire if a court says they would reoffend.
...

Keeping terrorists in jail after their sentence expires raises legal concerns about procedural fairness and double punishment.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-25/government-push-for-new-anti-terror-laws/7...



Typical socialist you can always find a reason to release a filthy criminals out into the streets to carry on as usual; does't matter if they are terrorists, rapists or paedophiles they all get released.

This is why the death penalty is the preferred method of punishment.


But never fear the scumbag lawyers and magistrates will have your terrorist mates back on the streets killing whitey before you can say thanks, ya PoS.  Angry





So the purpose of jailing isn't rehabilitation, it's revenge.
And the slippery slope continues. It's now indefinite detention for rapists also.
What about motor bike club members ... what about aboriginals ... surely they all will reoffend ?






As usual, you re ignorant and ill-informed.  Indefinite detention must pass through cabinet and be subject to judicial oversight.


The same cabinet that wants to out manoeuvre the far right minor parties and use this as a tool to whack over Labor's head, soon to be claiming they are weak on terror. The same tactic they used on Labor concerning refugees who come by boats.

And as for judicial oversight, you mean the high court judges chosen by the government?





point to a single politically-biased High Court decision and you can then make a claim. Up until then, you are simply demonstrating your ignorance of the High court, most of whose members were appointed by both parties many many years ago.
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Reply #27 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 9:46am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 9:32am:
____ wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 9:05am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:49am:
____ wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:19am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 5:26am:
____ wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 12:08am:
Government moves towards indefinite detention for some terrorists in push for new anti-terror laws

Australia is taking a step towards indefinite detention for some convicted terrorists, with the Federal Government pushing for legislation in every state so terrorists could be kept in jail after their sentences expire if a court says they would reoffend.
...

Keeping terrorists in jail after their sentence expires raises legal concerns about procedural fairness and double punishment.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-25/government-push-for-new-anti-terror-laws/7...



Typical socialist you can always find a reason to release a filthy criminals out into the streets to carry on as usual; does't matter if they are terrorists, rapists or paedophiles they all get released.

This is why the death penalty is the preferred method of punishment.


But never fear the scumbag lawyers and magistrates will have your terrorist mates back on the streets killing whitey before you can say thanks, ya PoS.  Angry





So the purpose of jailing isn't rehabilitation, it's revenge.
And the slippery slope continues. It's now indefinite detention for rapists also.
What about motor bike club members ... what about aboriginals ... surely they all will reoffend ?






As usual, you re ignorant and ill-informed.  Indefinite detention must pass through cabinet and be subject to judicial oversight.


The same cabinet that wants to out manoeuvre the far right minor parties and use this as a tool to whack over Labor's head, soon to be claiming they are weak on terror. The same tactic they used on Labor concerning refugees who come by boats.

And as for judicial oversight, you mean the high court judges chosen by the government?





point to a single politically-biased High Court decision and you can then make a claim. Up until then, you are simply demonstrating your ignorance of the High court, most of whose members were appointed by both parties many many years ago.



All human decisions have biases behind them ... to pretend humans are mechanical automatons, doesn't assist your position.
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Reply #28 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:17am
 
____ wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:30am:
issuevoter wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:26am:
Yes, that's right. Blame our government for trying to protect us.



Then why release anyone, who could be a risk to society?





Bigot!!!


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Reply #29 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:23am
 
Yes, the fascist Right SHOULD be detained indefinitely.

Preferably somewhere like Bouvet Is.
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