6 dead
Gunmen not apprehended yet

German police are engaged in a huge anti-terror manhunt in the city of Munich after six people died in a shopping mall shooting.

Police confirmed six deaths at the Olympia mall and several wounded.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36870874

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 6:16am:



Is that confirmed Bogues?...only I've been watching this for the last few hours and theres speculation on Sky that it could be the work of right wingers?

They have shot kids at McDonald's:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/22/europe/germany-munich-shooting/index.html



A witness who will only be identified as Lauretta told CNN her son was in a bathroom with a shooter at the McDonald's. "That's where he loaded his weapon," she said. "I hear like an alarm and boom, boom, boom... And he's still killing the children. The children were sitting to ear. They can't run." Lauretta said she heard the gunman say, "Allahu Akbar," or God is great. "I know this because I'm Muslim. I hear this and I only cry."

The are half a dozen people on this forum who will be able to dismiss this with a form of moral equivalency that claims the soldiers of Islam who perpetrated such atrocities are no different to Allied troops. Such claims are themselves immoral.

It does not require a Hitler, that is a silly statement.

Don't mention Hitler. It makes me wonder about the German people.
They were led by the nose into a disastrous war by Hitler. And most of the adult population had just lived through the Great War.
Now they have been led into another disaster by one woman mainly.
What is the matter with their parliament? You would think there would be enough rational members to cross the floor and vote the govt out, giving them a chance to reverse this situation.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 8:11am:


But he was quite happy to "set foot" on the soil of other countries........don't post shite bobby.

About one major incident in Germany per month,  14 months to the German elections.  Now that will interesting.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 8:28am:


I think you need far more than a "clue"......

Bobby. wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 7:42am:



Little jonny howard was the man to successfully implement the law against gun owners, to fix this problem just white-out gun owner and put in muslim, white-out gun and put in koran

Threaten all the states with the removal of their budget until they implement the laws, simple

Nobody wants their country to be like europe, but we do want mussies, so this is the solution; just not the 'final solution'. 

Once it becomes obvious they are Muzlims, the next line of appeasement will be whether or not they were mentally, stable. Which would be moot under the circumstances. Then will follow the cultural relativism stating there are bad people in all societies. Then there will be the photo opportunities for politicians. Journalists will continue to accuse those concerned of being Nazis.

____ wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 8:47am:



Im all for bombing those pricks into the stone age; how about you?

They are your enemy; so roll over like a dog, or commence bombing?


Remember no-one likes a greggy, sorry, coward.

Unfortunately, I think things will get much worse before they get better.

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 8:11am:



come on boges no one has a crystal ball.....so one 20 30 years ago could foresee this happening......

it doesnt matter who these shooters are or who encouraged them.. they are ALL TERRORISTS....

they wantonly kill innocent unarmed people........and especially children there is no other word for them,..


not sure why we have a need to brand evil.. but we do....call them murderers.... its what they are....

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 8:52am:




Bomb the Germans, really. Haven't they had enough?

I would act logically, and cut Australia funding Saudi Arabia worldwide terror network via a trade boycott and diversification to a green transport energy source.

____ wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 9:46am:



So cowardice it is then.


I doubt they give a sh1t what we think and do, anyway. We are not self sufficient in oil and we do not and never will have the infrastructure to remove trucks from out transport and distribution network; so we will continue to do what we are currently doing and that is fkk all.

It was a lone gunman ...




A shooting at a Munich shopping centre which left nine people dead was carried out by one gunman who then killed himself, police have said.

A huge manhunt was launched following reports that up to three gunmen had been involved in the attack at the Olympia centre.

The body of the suspect was found about 1km (0.6 miles) from the shopping centre in the Moosach district.

The motive for the attack, in which 10 people were wounded, is unclear.

German media reported that the suspected gunman had shot himself in the head.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36873180

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 9:44am:




rubbish.... they were getting rid of an evil dictator ..

no one said hey this will lead to France and Germany being blown up on a weekly basis..

I dont hear any of these terrorists screaming bring back Saddam....


can anyone really say what the cancer is in the Middle East.......

is it really us Westerners???.....

do you think if we packed our bags and left the Middle East forever it would all stop????.....


we cant buy their oil dont forget because our money is also corrupt...so who will buy their oil to keep them all rich....I believe even ISIL sells oil

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 10:19am:



What 50 year plan are you talking about ... or are you still pulling your facts out of your rear end.

If the conservatives spent less time burning science books, sacking scientists, attacking the education of future scientists, and opposing the energy shift away from corrupt and polluting fossil fuel, we wouldn't be bogged down with stupid comments from the likes of you.

cods wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 10:23am:



they were told that removing Saddam could destabilise the whole region and that could then spread to other regions, I know because at the time I supported the move to remove Saddam and had that argument many times with others.

I believed the govt. when they said they had evidence of WMD's ... I should have known Howard was lying the little turd that he was

cods wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 10:23am:


it takes two to tango ... we are not without fault

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 6:16am:


A Muslim Iranian born in Germany.


He wanted people to know that it's as a German that he was going to commit these atrocities.

Yeah .. right.

Same with the rape-girl and her scheme to blame Germans. 

All desperately trying to 're-locate' their diseased Muslim identities onto the kafir.

And here, once again, and very sadly, these Muslims avoid killing our politicians.

Bias_2012 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 11:09am:


why?

hyperbole

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 10:56am:



It is no different to idiots claiming that the mussies going over to fight FOR islamic state are Australian, they are no more Australian than my dead dog. BTW he was a Queenslander like me. 

They are muslim first, second and third.

____ wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 8:47am:


Of course we could always begin "fracking" couldn't we? we wouldn't need the Saudis then.
But perhaps your against that?

Hydrogen
Solar
Gas
Wind
Tides
Nukes
No arab oil.

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 11:20am:


X 2

An horrific event, and I condemn the gunman and his actions unconditionally (and sympathies to the families of the dead).

However, once again, we have the usual suspects desperately trying to shift the blame away from the murderer.

Herbert, BogOl, Boges, Booby, Baron, Bias, Yadda: they all want to blame anyone but the gunman, who the police say "acted alone".

Apologists.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 12:11pm:


He very well may have acted alone, just like all the other Muzlim murderers who have acted alone over the last twenty years. You apologise for Islam which is their inspiration.

issuevoter wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 12:17pm:


I make no apologies whatsoever.

I blame the gunman, 100%.

It's a pity the apologists in here can't do the same.

Vested interests?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 12:19pm:




greggery,

IMO, you are an insincere person, or, a very stupid and unreasonable person.

.....or, both.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 12:19pm:



I blame the muslim gunman too, I feel here in a Australia we can improve our safety by imposing laws similar to our gun laws, which are excellent by the way, on muslims; you know for safety.

That way any potential terrorist (muslim) can be dealt with appropriately, just like any potential mass murder (gun owner) is dealt with today in Australia.

If it is good enough for gun owners it is good enough for koran owners.


Yes they are innocent of any crime but so are gun owners, yes they had nothing to do with it, but neither did gun owners. You feel the safety that our gun laws brought you, even though there is no real threat to you at all; lets impose this on another non-existent threat; so we can all feel safe.

We all want special laws for non existent threats, it worked for gun owners who had nothing to do with Pt Arthur, let's make it happen again.

It's time to round up the Islamic radicals.

The Germans will know what to do.

We'll have to wait till they find an IS flag in his room, assuming Merkel's security forces haven't taken it away.

Otherwise he'll just have to be added to the hundreds of others who have psychological problems and have nothing to do with Islam.

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 11:20am:


what has this to do with her? this guys parents moved to Germany many years ago. He was born in Germany. I doubt anything Merkel did would have changed anything.

Once again, the schmedia are exposed as opportunists who could not care less about accuracy.  .........only murderer.

Yet again, reports of 'Allah Excalibar.'  Wonder how long before that one is also debunked.

Believe nothing.

Munich attack : Bavaria police chief shares details on operation and on shooter's identity



After another day of tragedy and drama, where the police had earlier suggested that as many as three gunmen were behind a deadly shooting in a shopping center in Munich, Germany moments ago the local police reported that the gunman was in fact a lone 18-year-old of German and Iranian origin who is believed to have carried out the "shooting rampage" on his own, killing at least nine people before later apparently killing himself.

The shooting attack at a McDonald's attached to the Olympia Einkaufszentrum shopping center at around 5:50 p.m. local time (11:50 a.m. ET) Friday led authorities to lock down the city. Public transportation was shut down and residents were warned to stay away from public places. Police said nine people had been killed and at least 10 were wounded. Around 100 people witnessed the shooting. Authorities found a 10th body about 1 km (0.6 miles) from the scene that was later determined to be the likely gunman.

"Careful all-clear," Munich police said on Twitter early Saturday. "As part of our manhunt we found one person that killed himself. With high probability it is the suspect, who — according to the present state of investigation — acted alone."

It was the third major act of violence against civilians in Western Europe in eight days. Previous attacks in France and Germany were claimed by the Islamic State militant group.

A police spokesman said there was no immediate indication that it was an Islamist attack but it was being treated as a terrorist incident. Friday is also the fifth anniversary of the massacre by Anders Behring Breivik in Norway in which he killed 77 people. Breivik is a hero for far-right militants in Europe and America.

German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said the motive for the attack was not yet clear.

The gunman was an 18-year-old German-Iranian from Munich who had been living in the city for more than two years, Munich Police President Hubertus Andrae said. A motive is unknown, he said. The gunman, who was not identified, was found dead at around 8:30 p.m. and police believe he likely killed himself. Twenty-one people were hospitalized, three of whom were critically wounded, police said.

Cited by NBC, Munich police spokesman Marcus da Gloria Martins said in a press conference earlier that "we are operating on the premise of a terrorist attack," but Andrae said later that links to terror had not been established.

A police spokesman initially said up to three gunmen were on the run after the shooting. The Bavarian capital was placed under a state of emergency as police hunted for them and special forces deployed in the city. "We are telling the people of Munich there are shooters on the run who are dangerous," he said. "We are urging people to stay indoors."

Police said witnesses described multiple suspects wielding long guns, but Andrae said that claim was unfounded. Which is strange, because similar "mistakes" were made both in Orlando several weeks ago, as well as in Nice last week, when initial reports of multiple attackers ultimately turned out to be "lone wolves."

Even stranger, he said a handgun was used in the shooting, and no long gun was present. The suspected gunman did not have a police record, Andrae said.

Special forces from Bavaria, other German states and from federal police were on duty in the city, Munich police said. Around 2,300 officers were deployed, Andrae said. The National Security Cabinet will meet Saturday.

In the aftermath of the shooting, police received several reports of other shootings and hostage taking scenarios during the course of evening, but none turned out to be real, Andrae said. The U.S. State Department warned Americans to shelter in place amid the uncertainty. All Munich public transportation — subway, bus, and tram — was shut down after the shooting, and police tweeted in several languages pleading for the public to "please avoid public areas." By shortly after 1 a.m. Saturday local time, police said transportation was back to normal.

The sprawling two-story Olympia Einkaufszentrum opened in 1972 during the Summer Olympics in Munich, according to the mall's website. "It is terrible and sheer inconceivable what happened in Munich. We are mourning the victims and are in our thoughts with the relatives," German Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere said in a statement. "We can unconditionally rely on the Bavarian security forces. In these hours our special thanks goes out to them."

In the aftermath of the shooting, Barack Obama said that "The United States condemns in the strongest terms the apparent terrorist attack that has claimed innocent lives in Munich, Germany," the White House said in a statement. "We still do not know all of the facts, but we do know that this heinous act has killed and injured multiple individuals in the heart of one of Europe's most vibrant cities," the statement said. The U.S. State Department later issued a statement condemning the attack, but that statement did not use the word terrorism.

Europe has been on edge following terror attacks in France and Belgium. The shooting is the second attack in Germany's Bavaria region this week.

More here:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-22/major-police-operation-underway-after-s...

Dustwun wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 3:24pm:



No, he's been in Munich for two years, the city ... he was apparently born in Germany

Dustwun wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 3:35pm:



to fix the problem you need to first identify the problem, instead of just blaming muslims.

for all you know this guy may have snapped because his girlfriend left him for his father ... no one knows why he did it yet.

Except for you of course 

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 3:38pm:


Like the guy in Nice, like the guys in Paris. Like Monis.
Every guy in Raqqa had a bitch girlfriend who dumped them.

Well spotted.

rhino wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 3:42pm:



funny how the authorities who have seen all the evidence claim to not know the reasons yet, but you and datswun do

you should call the German police and let them know

I didnt claim a reason for the attacks. Try again.

rhino wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 3:47pm:



and the purpose of your meme was?

rhino wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 4:02pm:



We have 6 pages on this thread of people trying to blame Muslims, despite it being made clear that the cause is yet UNKNOWN, and you wonder why? 

It is not pre-judging to claim that the cause is unknown if the cause is unknown, or to call out people  blaming it on Islam when we don't yet know the cause. It is simply stating the facts.

I'm waiting for somebody like Pecca Breath to say- "but 99% of Muslims are peaceful".

Bobby. wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 4:44pm:



the French used to chop heads off in public as well bobs..

do you enjoy public murder..

It just proves there's no such person as an Iranian-German.

He was screaming "Allahu Akbar!" ... which has absolutely bugger-all to do with being 'German' any more than it has to being a Westerner.

Born in Germany, his mindset was the result of a sexually transmitted disease (STD) through his Muslim parents - that we have come to know-and-love as 'Islam'.

Import these people at your peril.

Each generation is like a game of Russian Roulette with one bullet in the magazine chamber. 'Spin the Bottle' used to be the most daring game we could play, but it's now a game of 'Spin the Chamber' with every new 'Mohammad' who is born in the West.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 4:58pm:


Yeas, according to schmedia reports which also told us there were three murdering arseholes with long rifles.

Get it?

Allah Excalibah!

cods wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 4:53pm:


they did that to the politicians like tony abott who wanted to step in the way of progress.

Gordon wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 4:55pm:


Trump just got another boost i would think .
the law and order president.
Chief beta male Obama seems incapable of anything more then cowardly platitudes.

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 5:42pm:


doesnt matter John,
He's Iranian and Herbert is 100 % correct that european multiculturalism  is now a failed idea.
As the right grow in power and as native germans become more and more distrustful, then there will be a self fulfilling prophesy with massive social dysfunction.
Reprisals, the rise of ultra nationalism, attacks on mosques leading to more recruits for islam, more terror and a snowballing effect.

This is just what islamic state want...a war with the west.
The west could have prevented it but they tried to live in denial.
Now they will have to live with the consequences.
Children being shot in McDonalds...thats about as big a wake up call as you can get.
Things are going to get very very ugly and people are going to get very very tribal.
Humans, at their core are very very nasty pieces of work.
Wishing it wasnt so, or dare i say, pretending it isnt so, is just naive.

the only thing that could have helped europe, believe it or not would be good old fashioned christian forgiveness. But the left killed that off and now they have the perfect storm.
A million migrants who will now, not be able to assimilate.
Welcome to leftard utopia.

Time for the leftards to cower in the corner and cover themselves with a sheet and apologise to the rightards who, as usual, will have to clean up their mess.
this could take decades.

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 6:02pm:


I'm surprised leftards dont attack islam to be honest.
Multiculturalism would have been a success but for islam.
When you run down kids in a truck or shoot up kids in a maccas, you put a knife straight into the heart of any multi cultural dream.

If you dont like Hansen or Trump or Bolt, then you must really really hate islam , because , but for islam, those people would be a laughing stock. thanks to islam, their numbers are just going to go up and up and up .

Cant see why any leftard would support islam...they are just the best publicists for your enemies.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 6:11pm:



multiculturalism is a success .....  if it weren't you would have gone back to pommie land a long time ago

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 6:18pm:


nope. multiculturalism was diagnosed with cancer the day the jets struck the twin towers.
its in palliative care now.
the funeral wont be too far away.
leftards not manning up and attacking and annihilating the enemies of multiculturalism , seem to want to euthenase it even sooner.
and those enemies are radical islam .

we aint got no vietnamese, indians, sikhs, buddhists, chinese, americans or kiwis shooting kids in maccas or running them over with semi trailers