Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 18
th, 2016 at 11:26pm:
If my mail is correct, this coup wasn't a religious versus secular affair.
The people that attempted the coup was another religious group called the "Gulen group".
Erdogan and the Gulen group have been at loggerheads for a few years now. Read about the group here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BClen_movement culture-w,
As i say below;
Quote:Every moslem faction on the planet [and there are probably 1,000's of them], regards itself, as the one and only 'legitimate' competitor, for the 'moslem street'.
THAT, is why ISLAM, and ISLAMIC systems of governance/control over a society, can NEVER, EVER, bring a peaceful, just society....
BECAUSE;
The ne'er do well
moslems in such a society [i.e. the ruled over and powerless], will always claim they are being oppressed.
WHILE;
The moslem overlords [i.e. govt., aka, 'protectors of Allah's will'] of society [e.g. Saddam Husein], will always claim that Allah brought them to power, so they have a lawful religious authority to rule the society. !!!!!
ISLAM's
philosophy/'ideals' simply, enables, creates, 'sets up',
and religiously justifies tyrannical government.
I would estimate that perhaps 90% of refugees in the world today, are people who are fleeing a moslem majority [Sharia] jurisdiction.
And why
can they flee such jurisdictions, today [and not 50-100 years ago] ?
Because
today Western secular nations are providing havens/sanctuaries for these
MOSLEMS, to flee to !!!
.....and NO!!! we should not be doing this!
moslems should accept the consequence of their own choices.
and the West providing sanctuaries, merely transports their contagion [
ISLAM] into the Western secular nations!
Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1427748332/176#176 Quote:Yadda paraphrases.....
[the argument which is made by every moslem faction ------- > ]
'Whether those who oppose us identify themselves as non-moslems or whether they claim to be moslems, whoever opposes us and our views, is an infidel, and an oppressor. Because it is only we, who are the true, and pure, and rightly guided moslems.'
Isn't that correct [Shia leaning] gandalf ?
Every moslem faction on the planet [and there are probably 1,000's of them], regards itself, as the one and only 'legitimate' competitor, for the 'moslem street'.
!!!!!
.
Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1412206324/1#1 Quote:
The truth is that in the real 'ISLAMIC' world, every distinct moslem ISLAMIC group, is in competition with and against, every other distinct ISLAMIC group.Each and every distinct ISLAMIC group [separated by distance from each other], will assert that -
they only - are the true expression of pure ISLAM.
And therefore it is they alone, who have the right to both subjugate and to rule over every other ISLAMIC group [....even those moslems who ostensibly belong their own moslem faction].
It is true!
.
Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1410694482/49#49 Quote:Every
moslem ISLAMIC group, is in competition with every other ISLAMIC group.
There have been wars among moslems, since 2 minutes after Mohammed died.
Hamas, ISIS, Taleban and Boko Haram, all proffer themselves to the 'moslem street',
individually, as the true expression of ISLAM.
And so do the Saudis, and the Iranians.
The truth is that moslems form alliances,
with those they hate, against those they hate even more!!!
ISIS and Al-Qaeda are COMPETITORS for the 'moslem street' !!!!!
The Saudis and Al-Qaeda are COMPETITORS for the 'moslem street' !!!!!
And so it is, with every moslem group.Even moslem groups resident within Australia, tell us, that they are the true expression of ISLAM.
And if they had the means and the opportunity, those very moslem groups resident within Australia, would be slaughtering each other -
AND US.
It is true!
WAKE UP.
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