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Re: Will the French now wake up?
Reply #60 - Jul 16th, 2016 at 7:37am
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 15th, 2016 at 10:46pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 15th, 2016 at 10:29pm:
İt's time to stop tolerating it.



that's exactly how the Tunisian felt this morning


İt's moral equivalences like this that leads to such things happening.
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Reply #61 - Jul 16th, 2016 at 7:42am
 
The4thEstate wrote on Jul 16th, 2016 at 2:29am:
issuevoter wrote on Jul 15th, 2016 at 8:45pm:
On the ABC's Drum, some snot-nosed "personality" who could barely remember 911, said he would not call the Nice attack Islamic terrorism unless we called a drone strike in Afghanistan Christian terrorism. That is the convoluted sense of right and wrong, the ABC is fostering.

Yeah, it's not as if the United States went to war in Afghanistan singing, "Onward Christians Soldiers," or that the crews who bombed Al Qaeda training camps screamed, "This one's for Jesus!" every time they released their payload.

Plus, before the Nice incident, the last 15 terrorist strikes in France (since 2012) all had some connection to an Islamic cause.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_France

I wouldn't take that ABC personality with me on a camping trip in the forest -- he'd never find it because of all the trees in the way.



I would, but his chances of coming back would be slim.
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Reply #62 - Jul 16th, 2016 at 8:31am
 
In life there is always the "right" way to do things and the "easy" way to do things.

It would be the "right" way to take action and confront this problem head on.

But it is simply much easier for the leadership to put the flags at half mask, declare a few days of mourning and return to Marthas vineyard or their favourite resturant and start emailing their mistress.

It would possibly be different if there was a coup in the military as we have seen today in turkey...that would require action.

But sacrificing a few civilians...its easier to just rationalise it and keep the moral high ground whilst rabbiting on about unity and french values.

i can see why the leadership do it .

What i cant understand is why leftard civilians would support such impotent platitudes. They weep tears over boat drownings of people they have never met , but remain stoney and icey when their own countrymen and children are butchered. They truly need to reflect on how far they have fallen and how cowardly and ugly their hypocricy is.
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Re: Will the French now wake up?
Reply #63 - Jul 16th, 2016 at 8:56am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 16th, 2016 at 8:31am:
In life there is always the "right" way to do things and the "easy" way to do things.

It would be the "right" way to take action and confront this problem head on.

But it is simply much easier for the leadership to put the flags at half mask, declare a few days of mourning and return to Marthas vineyard or their favourite resturant and start emailing their mistress.

It would possibly be different if there was a coup in the military as we have seen today in turkey...that would require action.

But sacrificing a few civilians...its easier to just rationalise it and keep the moral high ground whilst rabbiting on about unity and french values.

i can see why the leadership do it .

What i cant understand is why leftard civilians would support such impotent platitudes. They weep tears over boat drownings of people they have never met , but remain stoney and icey when their own countrymen and children are butchered. They truly need to reflect on how far they have fallen and how cowardly and ugly their hypocricy is.

I think it has to do with the whole "white colonial guilt" syndrome that the left embraces enthusiastically. In their collective (and collectivist) mind, it just isn't fair that some that cultures figured out how to act civilized centuries ago wound up prospering, while others -- who spent most of their creative energy trying to develop, say, the shoe bomb -- are still wallowing in their own 7th-century savagery.

At any rate, I couldn't agree more with your assessment of Western leaders. It's just so much easier to "condemn in the strongest terms" terrorist acts instead of getting together and going after the perpetrators.

Good column in the Boston Herald today; it includes the following excerpt.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/howie_carr/2016/07/carr_when_will_th...

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And of course [Obama] will never, ever describe it for what it is — Islamic terrorism. To do so, we will be told endlessly today, would be to succumb to Islamophobia, and how long before we see the first headline, “Backlash feared by French Muslims” ...

No bombs, not a single one, will fall today on the ISIS capital of Raqqa. Their power grids will not be destroyed. Their internet service will not be interrupted. Their TV and radio stations will not be bombed. Because we have to forge a “collective” response, you know, and be “smart.”

NPR will run story after story on the background of the “Nice man,” saying that the tousle-haired youth was embittered by the racist taunts he had to endure in grade school, not to mention the “jingoistic” national celebrations like Bastille Day.
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Re: Will the French now wake up?
Reply #64 - Jul 16th, 2016 at 8:59am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 16th, 2016 at 7:37am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 15th, 2016 at 10:46pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 15th, 2016 at 10:29pm:
İt's time to stop tolerating it.



that's exactly how the Tunisian felt this morning


İt's moral equivalences like this that leads to such things happening.


When you feel your views override any opposing views and you decide that 'it's time to stop tolerating it', you are doing exactly what the extremist preachers are doing. The jump for 'not tolerating' it to using violence to enforce that view is very small. How do you stop 'tolerating it' without the use of force? you going to tell them they're naughty and they should shut up perhaps?
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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.
 
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Re: Will the French now wake up?
Reply #65 - Jul 17th, 2016 at 1:30pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 16th, 2016 at 8:59am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 16th, 2016 at 7:37am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 15th, 2016 at 10:46pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 15th, 2016 at 10:29pm:
İt's time to stop tolerating it.



that's exactly how the Tunisian felt this morning


İt's moral equivalences like this that leads to such things happening.


When you feel your views override any opposing views and you decide that 'it's time to stop tolerating it', you are doing exactly what the extremist preachers are doing. The jump for 'not tolerating' it to using violence to enforce that view is very small. How do you stop 'tolerating it' without the use of force? you going to tell them they're naughty and they should shut up perhaps?


The effete approach hasn't worked. Time to send all terrorist sympathisers to the gulags.
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Re: Will the French now wake up?
Reply #66 - Jul 17th, 2016 at 1:47pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 16th, 2016 at 8:59am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 16th, 2016 at 7:37am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 15th, 2016 at 10:46pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 15th, 2016 at 10:29pm:
İt's time to stop tolerating it.



that's exactly how the Tunisian felt this morning


İt's moral equivalences like this that leads to such things happening.


When you feel your views override any opposing views and you decide that 'it's time to stop tolerating it', you are doing exactly what the extremist preachers are doing. The jump for 'not tolerating' it to using violence to enforce that view is very small. How do you stop 'tolerating it' without the use of force? you going to tell them they're naughty and they should shut up perhaps?


Hi John,
What are your suggestions to stop muslims murdering us infidels?
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Re: Will the French now wake up?
Reply #67 - Jul 17th, 2016 at 1:57pm
 
Six big bangs across the Middle East could do the job:

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Reply #68 - Jul 17th, 2016 at 2:12pm
 
Fuzzball wrote on Jul 17th, 2016 at 1:57pm:
Six big bangs across the Middle East could do the job:

https://s25.postimg.org/5wscv0y67/image.jpg

   I think your fong about that
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Reply #69 - Jul 17th, 2016 at 2:14pm
 
I might even be wrong eh?  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #70 - Jul 17th, 2016 at 2:16pm
 
Fuzzball wrote on Jul 17th, 2016 at 2:14pm:
I might even be wrong eh?  Grin Grin Grin

  More likely Fong though
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Reply #71 - Jul 17th, 2016 at 8:44pm
 
Fuzzball wrote on Jul 17th, 2016 at 2:14pm:
I might even be wrong eh?  Grin Grin Grin


Never, Fireball. Six big bangs around the world could do the job.

We’ll be at the mercy of the Muselman then, no? Insh’allah, we’ll be lodging our dole forms in pardadise.
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Reply #72 - Jul 24th, 2016 at 8:32pm
 
French Government orders destruction of CCTV videos in Nice Attacks




A report in 21st of July edition of Le Figaro newspaper states that France’s anti-terrorist executive ( sous-direction anti-terroriste- SDAT) has ordered Nice’s urban surveillance authorities to destroy all CCTV footage of the Nice Attacks on Bastille Day that rocked the city on the 14th of July 2016.

Although SDAT have cited articles 53 and L706-24 of the prosecution procedure and article R642-1 of the penal code, authorities in Nice interviewed by Le Figaro say that it is the first time they have ever been asked to destroy evidence at a crime scene – something they point out is illegal.

The explanation given by the French Ministry of Justice is that they don’t want ‘uncontrolled’ and ‘non-authorised (non maîtrisée) diffusion of the images of the terrorist attacks. The Judicial Police have noted that 140 videos of the attacks in their possession show ‘important pieces of the inquiry’ (éléments d’enquête intéressants). The French government claims it wants to prevent ISIS from gaining access to videos of the attacks for the purposes of propaganda. They also claim that the destruction of evidence is intended to protect the families of the victims. The comments section of the Le Figaro article is replete with outrage and disgust by the fact that the French government, instead of preserving evidence for the purposes of a thorough, independent investigation, is in fact behaving rather more like the chief suspect in the attack – ordering the destruction of vital evidence.

There is something rotten in France’s Judicial Police. Shortly after the Charlie Hebdo attacks on the 7th of January 2015, the judicial police behaved suspiciously before and as they did after the ‘suicide’ of Limoge’s deputy Police Commissioner Helric Fredou. Fredou was found dead shortly after the arrival of the French Judicial Police to his office in Limoges shortly after the Charlie Hebdo massacre. His family were not allowed see his body for 24 hours after his death; they suspect foul play. The Judicial Police claimed he had shot himself in the head, though his mother said she did not see evidence of this. The police commissioner was said to be suffering from depression, a claim denied by the family doctor. Fredou was found dead in his office before the publication of a report on the relationship between Jeanette Bougrab, a former press secretary of Nicolas Sarkozy, and one of the deceased in the attack, Stéphane Charbonnier

He was found dead in his office before the publication of a report on the relationship between Jeanette Bougrab, a former press secretary of Nicolas Sarkozy, and one of the deceased in the attack, Stéphane Charbonnier known as ‘Charb’. The relationship between Bougrab, who is close to all the leaders of the French Zionist movement, and Charb, was one of the most controversial aspects of the Charlie Hebdo massacre story. Fredou was also investigating the background of the Kouachi brothers who were accused of the massacre. They had lived in the town of Limoges.

An article in France’s l’Est Républicain newspaper attempts to reassure the public of the French government’s bona fides with the title ‘No, the footage of the attack has not been deleted’. The report asserts that the Ministry of Justice have not ordered the destruction of evidence but just the deletion of the images from the cameras in Nice. This reassurance might be enough to placate those who are loathe to question the narrative of the war on terror. But, as the recent booing of French Prime Minister Manuel Valls in Nice showed, the French people are waking up.

Now France’s Judicial Police and anti-terrorist authorities want to destroy evidence of the attacks. In most crime cases, those who destroy or seek to destroy evidence are usually trying to cover something up. I have already pointed out some of the inconsistencies in the story we have been told about the Nice massacre. I have not claimed nothing happened or no one was killed but rather that the video evidence so far presented does not match the story. Perhaps new video evidence proving the government’s story will emerge. Let’s hope so! If researchers and journalists with a proven record of peace advocacy and a passion for truth and honesty in reporting were to gain access to those videos, ISIS would be weakened not strengthened.

But we would be naive to believe the French government intends to weaken ISIS, given the incontrovertibly proven fact that they support the child-murdering head choppers in Syria. While some will find their comfort zones and systems justification syndrome perturbed by this information, many more will simply fall back to sleep.Falling asleep is easier in the short term but in time people will realise that the mattress is being pulled from under them, so that when they wake up in terrible discomfort, it will be too late. It’s time to wake up!

http://www.gearoidocolmain.org/french-government-orders-destruction-cctv-videos-...
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