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Reply #435 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:29pm

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 3:02pm:

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Mistress Nicole wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 2:14pm:

Re your first paragraph: if we didn't care so much about collateral damage, we don't need a "massive invasion of troops on the ground". Right, or wrong?

Correct! - but not right.

If they're in Raqqa or wherever, they only need to be surrounded and starved out without a shot being fired. There are hundreds of innocent civilians in there who simply cannot be sacrificed to an all-out blitzkrieg.

Patience is the answer. Simply starve them out as the Afghans did with the British soldiers, back when.

Right or wrong?

Answer the question!

Very decent of you, old chap. You must be an Englishman. However, to defeat an enemy it is necessary to demonstrate ruthlessness to the point where they realise you intend to destroy everything they hold dear. That is how Rome defeated Carthage, The US defeated the southern Confederacy, and how the Allies defeated the Axis powers in WW2. Nice guy will not cut it.

I wouldn't surprised if the French dropped a nuke on Raqqah.

Evil can only be cleansed with fire.

Raqqa is not the problem. It's the Muslims who new this Mohammed and did nothing to stop him. They are the problem.
Radicalised Muslims and their entire extended families should be stripped of their Western citizenship and deported.
Terrorism in Western countries would stop overnight. As it is, they get off too easily and so they don't do enough to stop their kids, brothers, cousins. Muslims must pay a much heavier price for having terrorists and radicals among them.

You know the Kevin Bacon game, I'd do that with terrorist and go 6 levels deep.

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Re: Bastille Day attack in France
Reply #437 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:43pm

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 3:02pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 2:34pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 2:26pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 2:14pm:

Re your first paragraph: if we didn't care so much about collateral damage, we don't need a "massive invasion of troops on the ground". Right, or wrong?

Correct! - but not right.

If they're in Raqqa or wherever, they only need to be surrounded and starved out without a shot being fired. There are hundreds of innocent civilians in there who simply cannot be sacrificed to an all-out blitzkrieg.

Patience is the answer. Simply starve them out as the Afghans did with the British soldiers, back when.

Right or wrong?

Answer the question!

Very decent of you, old chap. You must be an Englishman. However, to defeat an enemy it is necessary to demonstrate ruthlessness to the point where they realise you intend to destroy everything they hold dear. That is how Rome defeated Carthage, The US defeated the southern Confederacy, and how the Allies defeated the Axis powers in WW2. Nice guy will not cut it.

I wouldn't surprised if the French dropped a nuke on Raqqah.

Evil can only be cleansed with fire.

Raqqa is not the problem. It's the Muslims who new this Mohammed and did nothing to stop him. They are the problem.
Radicalised Muslims and their entire extended families should be stripped of their Western citizenship and deported.
Terrorism in Western countries would stop overnight. As it is, they get off too easily and so they don't do enough to stop their kids, brothers, cousins. Muslims must pay a much heavier price for having terrorists and radicals among them.

Good post Frank. I agree.

What's your view on the US and its allies waging war against Isis? It seems to me there are three options:

1) don't wage war
2) wage war, then help them build democracies and self govern; or
3) strike hard and fast. Accept there will be collateral damage. Do not help rebuild anything.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Bastille Day attack in France Reply #438 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 5:15pm Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:17pm: Muslims must pay a much heavier price for having terrorists and radicals among them. What are your thoughts on the Sunni / Shia schism which is the driver of ISIS?
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21696 Gordon Gender:	Re: Bastille Day attack in France Reply #439 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 5:18pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 5:15pm: Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:17pm: Muslims must pay a much heavier price for having terrorists and radicals among them. What are your thoughts on the Sunni / Shia schism which is the driver of ISIS? Arm both side6, get some popcorn.
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Reply #440 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 5:25pm

Where is your ultimate position Nicole Page 2016 which is to murder every Muslim man woman and child? Why are you now hiding what you said you wanted?

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It seems to me there are three options:

1) don't wage war

Gee, there's a novel idea. Can you add ~ 'and get the ferk out of Arabia?'

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2) wage war, then help them build democracies and self govern; or

Where did the West ever successfully do that in Countries it has invaded? Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq....anywhere in the ME? Was it Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos? Where? Iraq?

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3) strike hard and fast. Accept there will be collateral damage. Do not help rebuild anything.

Tried that in Iraq. Amazing success. Outstanding result.

The only solution is that we get the Hell out of where we have no place, where we do not belong. Why are we there, Nicole Page 2016? Are we the Warmongers?

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Re: Bastille Day attack in France
Reply #441 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 5:32pm

Gordon wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 5:18pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 5:15pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

Muslims must pay a much heavier price for having terrorists and radicals among them.

What are your thoughts on the Sunni / Shia schism which is the driver of ISIS?

Arm both side6, get some popcorn.

Gold!

Gordy for President!

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Re: Bastille Day attack in France
Reply #442 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 5:37pm

Gordon wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 5:18pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 5:15pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

Muslims must pay a much heavier price for having terrorists and radicals among them.

What are your thoughts on the Sunni / Shia schism which is the driver of ISIS?

Arm both side6, get some popcorn.

They are both armed - The Sunnis have ISIS... the Shia have Iran and the Iraqi government.

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Re: Bastille Day attack in France
Reply #443 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 5:41pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 5:25pm:

Where is your ultimate position Nicole Page 2016 which is to murder every Muslim man woman and child? Why are you now hiding what you said you wanted?

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It seems to me there are three options:

1) don't wage war

Gee, there's a novel idea. Can you add ~ 'and get the ferk out of Arabia?'

Quote:

2) wage war, then help them build democracies and self govern; or

Where did the West ever do that in Countries it has invaded? Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq....anywhere in the ME? Was it Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos? Where? Iraq?

Quote:

3) strike hard and fast. Accept there will be collateral damage. Do not help rebuild anything.

Tried that in Iraq. Amazing success. Outstanding result.

The only solution is that we get the Hell out of where we have no place, where we do not belong. Why are we there, Nicole Page 2016? Are we the Warmongers?

As usual you're about 100% incorrect.
The shock and awe stage was a stunning success.
At that stage if all muslims wanted peace without Sadam it was theirs for the taking.

Even before the first bomb was dropped Zarqawi had moved to Iraq in anticipation for a chance for phase one. Wipe out the Shia then phase 2 the Caliph.

Had Sadam died if anus cancer we'd probably be in the same position. Do some reading about how pent up the Shia Sunni thing was and how inevitable it was to burst out somewhere.

Bet you just stick to your simplistic Awab for Awabia mantra.

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Re: Bastille Day attack in France
Reply #445 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:12pm

Dustwun wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:08pm:

Ru Chinese, I though I was the only slope here. I'm half Thai.

Gotcha!

I only said that to draw you out!

Quick! Up against the wall with your hands up! I'm abducting you to become a slave in my clothing factory where you'll be chained to the loom 24/7 with all the others!

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Re: Bastille Day attack in France
Reply #446 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:15pm

Gordon wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:11pm:

Ahhh
http://www.smh.com.au/world/bastille-day-attack-french-police-make-arrests-after...

"French authorities are still trying to determine whether the 31-year old Tunisian driver of the vehicle acted alone or with accomplices and whether his motives are connected to radical Islam."

Ah.

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Re: Bastille Day attack in France
Reply #447 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:22pm

Gordon wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:11pm:

Ahhh
http://www.smh.com.au/world/bastille-day-attack-french-police-make-arrests-after...

His cousin says this perpetrator was a lousy Muslim because he not only didn't go to the mosque on Fridays, but even ate pork.

Mind you, they did hear him shouting "Allahu Akbar!" as he plowed that truck through the crowd.

As a martyr he'll only find 72 virgin sows waiting for him ...

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Re: Bastille Day attack in France
Reply #448 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:29pm

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 3:02pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 2:34pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 2:26pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 2:14pm:

Re your first paragraph: if we didn't care so much about collateral damage, we don't need a "massive invasion of troops on the ground". Right, or wrong?

Correct! - but not right.

If they're in Raqqa or wherever, they only need to be surrounded and starved out without a shot being fired. There are hundreds of innocent civilians in there who simply cannot be sacrificed to an all-out blitzkrieg.

Patience is the answer. Simply starve them out as the Afghans did with the British soldiers, back when.

Right or wrong?

Answer the question!

Very decent of you, old chap. You must be an Englishman. However, to defeat an enemy it is necessary to demonstrate ruthlessness to the point where they realise you intend to destroy everything they hold dear. That is how Rome defeated Carthage, The US defeated the southern Confederacy, and how the Allies defeated the Axis powers in WW2. Nice guy will not cut it.

I wouldn't surprised if the French dropped a nuke on Raqqah.

Evil can only be cleansed with fire.

Raqqa is not the problem. It's the Muslims who new this Mohammed and did nothing to stop him. They are the problem.
Radicalised Muslims and their entire extended families should be stripped of their Western citizenship and deported.
Terrorism in Western countries would stop overnight. As it is, they get off too easily and so they don't do enough to stop their kids, brothers, cousins. Muslims must pay a much heavier price for having terrorists and radicals among them.

Send the all to Raqqah - then drop on a nuke on it.

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Re: Bastille Day attack in France
Reply #449 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:35pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:12pm:

Dustwun wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:08pm:

Ru Chinese, I though I was the only slope here. I'm half Thai.

Gotcha!

I only said that to draw you out!

Quick! Up against the wall with your hands up! I'm abducting you to become a slave in my clothing factory where you'll be chained to the loom 24/7 with all the others!

That's not a nice thing to say

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