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Reply #405 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 1:26pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 12:33pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 12:28pm:

cods wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 12:18pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 12:13pm:

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"
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we seem to be doing something... just not quick enough to stop anything.....

we seem to have more luck in this country.....so far a few have been arrested b efore they blow something up...maybe we are lucky enough not to be surrounded by this hatred.

We aren't doing anything except tossing many more millions of $$$ at them. $$$ to try to identify the worst and keep us safe from them. More $$$ to try to de-radicalise those that can never be de-radicalised and the idea of stopping potential terrorists from leaving to fight in Syria was ludicrous. We should have let them all go and then closed the door tight so they could never return. Instead we kept them here to fester.

Our luck is going to run out.

Not to mention that - in Victoria at least - they're seriously talking about implementing de-radicalisation programs in primary schools.

If that doesn't tell you that importing Muslims is a bad idea, I don't know what does.

If the apologists like Brian,Mothra and Little pecca insist Islam has nothing to do with Islamic terror can they explain why we are spending more than $10 million a year in deradicalisation programs for muslims.

I'm new here and still working out the forum personalities.

Greg is a troll and not worth wasting keystrokes on.

I have dealt with Brian for over ten years on other forums. And in thread after thread, I've seen him beaten so badly he resembles Rodney King - but he just keeps coming back for more. I had to change my own tune when my leftwinger ideals were confronted with logic. Brian hasn't managed this, so he's either a troll or a person of low intelligence.

Mothra, at this point, I have respect for - not because I believe she is right, but because she strikes me as genuine.

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Reply #407 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 1:29pm

issuevoter wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 1:23pm:

Radicalization is a myth. It is used by the liberal media to defelect attention away from the ugliness written in the Koran that Muzlims study and bow down to. Every time there is a Muzlim atrocity, we need to hit back harder, in the communities that produce the Martyrs.

We need to simply start deporting the radical imams instead of tolerating their sedition. Send them back to the sand pit they crawled out of.

And how many times have you heard about murdering French terrorists who had been "on the radar"? Here's a novel idea: Change the laws to make it easier to rid the country of terrorist suspects that are guilty of even minor crimes. If they don't have citizenship, use their criminal records as a pretext to deport them.

Sure beats wasting money and resources on trying to keep an eye on them.

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Reply #408 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 1:33pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 1:23pm:

ISIS, like al-Qaeda, is a floating crap game. The Afghanistan experience is a clear demonstration of how Western forces can do no more than teach the local militia how to hold a gun and defend their cities and towns against the insurgents. Once that's been achieved, Western troops should be recalled home - lock, stock, and barrel.

Exactly. No more nation building -- just get the job done and get out.

That's what should be happening in Syria right now: NATO forces should be pounding ISIS's so-called capital -- and any other buildings used by these savages -- into rubble.

Al-Baghdadi is elusive, but everybody has to be somewhere. Plug enough mouse holes and the rodents run out of safe havens.

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Reply #409 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 1:35pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 12:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 8:40am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 11:48pm:

Many radicals need to be rounded up & questioned.

Start with the mosques. Every one of them should get probed from stem to stern. Any found to be in possession of weapons should be closed immediately and all mosque officials (if not members) deported immediately.

France also needs to quit playing pat-a-cake with radical imams and shady characters on the terrorist watch list. If there's even a shred of evidence that they've been preaching sedition or associating with known terrorists, ship them back to whatever Middle East orifice they crawled out of.

Then close the borders. Keep tabs on French citizens leaving for known terrorist hot spots and deny them re-entry. Refuse any additional Muslim refugees and deport the ones who are seeking asylum there.

Harsh? Yes, but even more so is the fact that there have been 16 terrorist attacks in France since 2012, and every one of them has been done in the name of Islam. Misbehaving guests need to leave the party -- through the door or through the window.

Either that or large concentration camps.

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Stalin or Hitler knew what to do.

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Reply #410 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 1:39pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 1:23pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:26am:

Regarding your last sentence, that was my view. But it's changed.

If he's elected, Trump wants to declare war and hit ISIS hard. I agree. And it should be noted in this context that Trump has been critical of bush jnrs invasion of Iraq

Different ball game now.

ISIS, like al-Qaeda, is a floating crap game. The Afghanistan experience is a clear demonstration of how Western forces can do no more than teach the local militia how to hold a gun and defend their cities and towns against the insurgents. Once that's been achieved, Western troops should be recalled home - lock, stock, and barrel.

It's been 15 years since the West put boots on the ground over there in Afghanistan, and not only are the terrorist groups stronger than ever, but apparently 15-goddamned-years hasn't been enough time to drill the locals into some semblance of being a respectable militia ...

... and while all this expensive and life-costing bullshit has been going on for a staggering 15 years - (three times longer than the Second World War) - hundreds of young Afghani men of military age have been migrating to the West to take up jobs as taxi-drivers, Supermarket trolley-boys, security guards, and dole-queue 'clients'.

Herbert, I'm not talking about bush's ridiculous plan of 'democratising' Afghanistan and Iraq. And I don't know, but I strongly suspect trump isn't either. I'm not talking about the west training middle eastern armies and the like.

I think the US (and nato if trump has his way) can decimate Isis in a matter of weeks. Then we pull out.

Of course I take the point made by Issuevoter above - another ugly Islamic group will take control - Islam is a many headed snake. But they cannot - under any circumstances - think they can hit the west with terror attacks with impunity. Good men need to act.

And we need to stop pussy footing around - I had to remind my own father of Dresden last night. F#ck the collateral damage - you strike at our women and children, and we strike at yours.

It's war. It's their civilians or ours.

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Reply #411 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 1:42pm

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 1:33pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 1:23pm:

ISIS, like al-Qaeda, is a floating crap game. The Afghanistan experience is a clear demonstration of how Western forces can do no more than teach the local militia how to hold a gun and defend their cities and towns against the insurgents. Once that's been achieved, Western troops should be recalled home - lock, stock, and barrel.

Exactly. No more nation building -- just get the job done and get out.

That's what should be happening in Syria right now: NATO forces should be pounding ISIS's so-called capital -- and any other buildings used by these savages -- into rubble.

Al-Baghdadi is elusive, but everybody has to be somewhere. Plug enough mouse holes and the rodents run out of safe havens.

Precisely.

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Reply #412 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 1:55pm

cods wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 1:15pm:

I dont think any govt could have foreseen what we are seeing today.... so dont lets start blaming the govt...

again we do have to look at who is doing the radicalising in the first place......we allow the book shops to sell just about anything.. the politically correct have made it quite clear we have to live with them.. not them live with us..

its pathetic...these young people are being got at....its no different to the drug pushers.....they are bending their minds.. just as drugs do... for all we know they may even be giving these young people drugs to win them over in the first place..

we are like sitting ducks... because someone may criticise us......

god forbid..

Perhaps it was nor foreseen initially but how does that excuse the government?

Have they said "Oh, this was a pretty bad idea so we will take steps to reverse it"?

Or have they just opened the doors wider, all the while allotting more and more money to try to balance the effects of a very bad decision?

We should be looking after our children, homeless, aged, abuse victims, indigenous etc first. Not taking away money from our own and pouring it into a bandaid effect whilst opening the doors wider and wider. It doesn't need a very expensive bandaid. It needs to be cut off at the knees.

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Re: Bastille Day attack in France
Reply #413 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 1:59pm

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 1:39pm:

I think the US (and nato if trump has his way) can decimate Isis in a matter of weeks. Then we pull out.

Unless there's a massive invasion of troops on the ground, then the 'tip of the iceberg' visible components that comprise ISIS on our television screens will never be expunged from where they are today.

But just as with the British soldiers in Northern Ireland, nothing is going to improve until the West removes itself from those Middle Eastern trouble spots.

T4E's Plan of how to sort out the troublesome and risky Muslims living in Western countries, is a cracker. It's the answer, and anything less will not solve the problem.

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Reply #414 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 2:14pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 1:59pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 1:39pm:

I think the US (and nato if trump has his way) can decimate Isis in a matter of weeks. Then we pull out.

Unless there's a massive invasion of troops on the ground, then the 'tip of the iceberg' visible components that comprise ISIS on our television screens will never be expunged from where they are today.

But just as with the British soldiers in Northern Ireland, nothing is going to improve until the West removes itself from those Middle Eastern trouble spots.

T4E's Plan of how to sort out the troublesome and risky Muslims living in Western countries, is a cracker. It's the answer, and anything less will not solve the problem.

Re your first paragraph: if we didn't care so much about collateral damage, we don't need a "massive invasion of troops on the ground". Right, or wrong?

4Es plan is right, but I think (unless I've smoked one too many bongs today) that he also agrees we should hit ISIS.

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Reply #415 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 2:26pm

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 2:14pm:

Re your first paragraph: if we didn't care so much about collateral damage, we don't need a "massive invasion of troops on the ground". Right, or wrong?

Correct! - but not right.

If they're in Raqqa or wherever, they only need to be surrounded and starved out without a shot being fired. There are hundreds of innocent civilians in there who simply cannot be sacrificed to an all-out blitzkrieg.

Patience is the answer. Simply starve them out as the Afghans did with the British soldiers, back when.

Right or wrong?

Answer the question!

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Reply #416 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 2:30pm

"Invasion?" Invasion of what? "Hit them hard." Hit who hard....where?

"Implementing de-radicalisation programs in primary schools."

WTF????? Kids are now extreme radicalised people? Huh? What exactly is a de-radicalisation programme.

You lot are just shouting slogans and getting all lathered up in heroic keyboard excitement.

Just get out of the ME and if there are schit stirring arseholes in the West who are breaking the Law, piss them off.

Arabia if for Arabs. When will "you" get that into your heads?

Do we never learn from the mistakes of the past, eg, Iraq, Afghanistan?

Bush Snr beat the schit out Saddam's Iraq and then departed. That worked so well, didn't it. Bush Jnr had a crack. He took it further than his Old Man, but exactly how much of a failure was that. Is 'disaster' too strong a word?

Nah, just get the ferk out of there, and let them slit each others throats. Nothing to do with us, never has been.

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Reply #417 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 2:34pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 2:26pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 2:14pm:

Re your first paragraph: if we didn't care so much about collateral damage, we don't need a "massive invasion of troops on the ground". Right, or wrong?

Correct! - but not right.

If they're in Raqqa or wherever, they only need to be surrounded and starved out without a shot being fired. There are hundreds of innocent civilians in there who simply cannot be sacrificed to an all-out blitzkrieg.

Patience is the answer. Simply starve them out as the Afghans did with the British soldiers, back when.

Right or wrong?

Answer the question!

Very decent of you, old chap. You must be an Englishman. However, to defeat an enemy it is necessary to demonstrate ruthlessness to the point where they realise you intend to destroy everything they hold dear. That is how Rome defeated Carthage, The US defeated the southern Confederacy, and how the Allies defeated the Axis powers in WW2. Nice guy will not cut it.

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Reply #419 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 2:46pm

issuevoter wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 2:34pm:

Very decent of you, old chap. You must be an Englishman.

I'm Chinese, but don't let that put you off your stroke.

issuevoter wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 2:34pm:

However, to defeat an enemy it is necessary to demonstrate ruthlessness to the point where they realise you intend to destroy everything they hold dear. That is how Rome defeated Carthage, The US defeated the southern Confederacy, and how the Allies defeated the Axis powers in WW2. Nice guy will not cut it.

You've been channelling Aquascoot.

Dresden was an important railway hub as well as the location of many manufacturing industries that were vital to Germany's war effort.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki ... stopped the war and saved countless lives and countless structures across the length and breadth of Japan.

I repeat: Surround ISIS in Raqqa and starve them out.

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