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"I told him not to reach for it."
Jul 8^th, 2016 at 12:05am

"I told him not to reach for it."

he reaches for it

Aftermath of deadly police shooting streamed live on Facebook

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A police officer shot and killed a black man in St. Paul, Minnesota on Wednesday night during a routine traffic stop, the aftermath of which was captured on video and streamed on Facebook by his girlfriend sitting in the front seat.

https://news.vice.com/article/aftermath-of-fatal-police-shooting-in-minnesota-ca...

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: "I told him not to reach for it." Reply #1 - Jul 8^th, 2016 at 1:29am The more I hear about the USA, the more concerned I am about its future/fate.
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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: "I told him not to reach for it." Reply #2 - Jul 8^th, 2016 at 1:32am Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 1:29am: The more I hear about the USA, the more concerned I am about its future/fate. thing is, violent crime in large American cities has been on the decline for quite a while now. these sort of images makes it seem like they are more dangerous than ever ...
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Reply #3 - Jul 8^th, 2016 at 1:50am

AiA wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 1:32am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 1:29am:

The more I hear about the USA, the more concerned I am about its future/fate.

thing is, violent crime in large American cities has been on the decline for quite a while now. these sort of images makes it seem like they are more dangerous than ever ...

Yeah?

Hey, while I've got you here....please tell me you don't think Trump is going to win the election there.

I shudder to think what might happen if he was elected.

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Reply #4 - Jul 8^th, 2016 at 2:11am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 1:50am:

AiA wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 1:32am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 1:29am:

The more I hear about the USA, the more concerned I am about its future/fate.

thing is, violent crime in large American cities has been on the decline for quite a while now. these sort of images makes it seem like they are more dangerous than ever ...

Yeah?

Hey, while I've got you here....please tell me you don't think Trump is going to win the election there.

I shudder to think what might happen if he was elected.

What do you "shudder" about happening in particular? Enquiring minds...

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Reply #5 - Jul 8^th, 2016 at 2:28am

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 2:11am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 1:50am:

AiA wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 1:32am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 1:29am:

The more I hear about the USA, the more concerned I am about its future/fate.

thing is, violent crime in large American cities has been on the decline for quite a while now. these sort of images makes it seem like they are more dangerous than ever ...

Yeah?

Hey, while I've got you here....please tell me you don't think Trump is going to win the election there.

I shudder to think what might happen if he was elected.

What do you "shudder" about happening in particular? Enquiring minds...

I'd much prefer to wait for AiA to answer my question which was directed at him if you don't mind.

After that...you can enquire all you like lol.

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Reply #7 - Jul 8^th, 2016 at 8:12am

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/alton-sterling-second-video-shows-bl...AiA wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 1:32am:

thing is, violent crime in large American cities has been on the decline for quite a while now. these sort of images makes it seem like they are more dangerous than ever

strange comment......Orlando anyone??>..

and this btw AiA is about white cops shooting black men...

even your President has something to say about the latest...

these appear to be legal murderers...

.hes black he is definitely guilty shoot first talk later if they can.. Angry

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: "I told him not to reach for it." Reply #8 - Jul 8^th, 2016 at 8:12am Fuzzball wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 8:09am: Donald Trump is America's only salvation. he thinks everyone should be armed to the teeth..
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Reply #9 - Jul 8^th, 2016 at 8:15am

Regarding the black with a gun. He was stopped for a traffic matter, and became agitated, after telling the officers he had a weapon and had a CCL; whilst attempting to make the man comply he reached for the gun he carried and had concealed carry license for, one of the officers shot him.

He shouldn't have reached for his gun.

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Reply #10 - Jul 8^th, 2016 at 8:25am

Fuzzball wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

Regarding the black with a gun. He was stopped for a traffic matter, and became agitated, after telling the officers he had a weapon and had a CCL; whilst attempting to make the man comply he reached for the gun he carried and had concealed carry license for, one of the officers shot him.

He shouldn't have reached for his gun.

he was reaching for his licence as per instructions from the officer..

why would he tell the cop he had a gun.. if he planned to use it>

doesnt everyone have a GUN in America... its sort of compulsory isnt it?????????? Angry

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Reply #11 - Jul 8^th, 2016 at 8:30am

They knew he had a CCL, he told them, but he became agitated when they were questioning him so they took him to the ground because they were aware he had a weapon, when he started to reach for the gun (on the ground with officers struggling to hold him down), they shot him.

What would you have done, waited for him to get his bloody gun out?

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Reply #12 - Jul 8^th, 2016 at 8:35am

Fuzzball wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 8:30am:

They knew he had a CCL, he told them, but he became agitated when they were questioning him so they took him to the ground because they were aware he had a weapon, when he started to reach for the gun (on the ground with officers struggling to hold him down), they shot him.

What would you have done, waited for him to get his bloody gun out?

how was he meant to show them his licence...

why did they ask him for it if it meant him using his hands..

I dunno about you.. but thats the only way I would ever be able to show my licence.....

by moving my hands to get it.. Roll Eyes

maybe black men should have it tattoo to their foreheads so they have no need to move when challenged...

you seem to find this acceptable for a cop... Angry

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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: "I told him not to reach for it." Reply #13 - Jul 8^th, 2016 at 8:46am Too early to know the facts of the incident. Everything is in the fog of hysteria. I am living in the States. If I were to be pulled over I would keep my hands on the wheel, visible to the officer. When he asks for ID I would tell him I am going to pull it out of my pocket or wherever it is before I make a move.
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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20755 Gender:	Re: "I told him not to reach for it." Reply #14 - Jul 8^th, 2016 at 8:48am You should listen to the police and comply with what they ask. Do people care about the Police killed on duty or do they only whinge about those who the police shoot? odmp.org/search/year
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Reply #15 - Jul 8^th, 2016 at 8:53am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 8:48am:

You should listen to the police and comply with what they ask.

Yes. And no. If they ask to see your ID you give it to them. If they ask you to roll down the window you do so. If they ask you to step out of the car, of course, you do.

But if they start asking questions you are under NO obligation to answer them in the USA. They will ask them. "Where are you coming from?" "What were you doing there?" "Where are you going?" By asking questions they are building a case.

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Reply #16 - Jul 8^th, 2016 at 12:24pm

Police, regardless of how popular they are ATM, are still human beings. They are still part of the community. When a police officer leaves for work (arguably the most dangerous job in America) he has all the intentions of coming home when his day is done.

That said, any threat to him or her returning home safely has to be taken extremely seriously.

Now, you & I weren't there.....we weren't in the officers mind to know exactly what he was thinking, how he made his split second decisions, but when all the dust settles in this matter, we should have a better understanding of what 'actually' transpired as opposed to agenda driven hysteria & emotion.

Whether we like it or not is immaterial.

BTW.......I suggest if you fear being hit by lightning, don't travel to America, because you are way more apt to be hit by a bolt of lightning, than a bullet, regardless of how the media attempts to convince you otherwise.....what they do is all aimed to gain viewership, gain readership, & advance their personal agenda(s).....not to accurately portray the facts of the incident(s).

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Reply #17 - Jul 8^th, 2016 at 12:53pm

AiA wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 8:46am:

Too early to know the facts of the incident. Everything is in the fog of hysteria.

I am living in the States. If I were to be pulled over I would keep my hands on the wheel, visible to the officer. When he asks for ID I would tell him I am going to pull it out of my pocket or wherever it is before I make a move.

I find it acceptable for a police officer to protect himself and his colleagues.

You just spout populist dross.

Sorry meant as a reply to cods.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 155008 Gender:	Re: "I told him not to reach for it." Reply #19 - Jul 8^th, 2016 at 1:02pm AiA wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 12:05am: Quote: "A police officer shot and killed a black man in St. Paul, Minnesota on Wednesday night during a routine execution." Fixed.
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Reply #21 - Jul 8^th, 2016 at 1:07pm

AiA wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 8:46am:

Too early to know the facts of the incident. Everything is in the fog of hysteria.

I am living in the States. If I were to be pulled over I would keep my hands on the wheel, visible to the officer. When he asks for ID I would tell him I am going to pull it out of my pocket or wherever it is before I make a move.

Gawd. Thank God I live in Australia. If I get pulled over here it's always for some breath test which is fine because I never drink much alcohol anyway.

For whatever reason, I always greet these cops with a smile and a Gday.

If any cop ever pulled a gun on me, I reckon I'd pass out and/or go into cardiac arrest. Undecided

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Reply #22 - Jul 8^th, 2016 at 1:41pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 12:59pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

Donald Trump is America's only salvation.

"DONALD Trump has been accused of an historical child rape in shocking allegations filed with the United States Federal Court." Link

Thanks for that. I didn't know. /sarc

Apart from your threadbombing that is.

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Reply #23 - Jul 8^th, 2016 at 1:47pm

lee wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 1:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 12:59pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

Donald Trump is America's only salvation.

"DONALD Trump has been accused of an historical child rape in shocking allegations filed with the United States Federal Court." Link

Thanks for that. I didn't know.

No probs.

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Reply #25 - Jul 8^th, 2016 at 3:01pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 12:59pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

Donald Trump is America's only salvation.

"DONALD Trump has been accused of an historical child rape in shocking allegations filed with the United States Federal Court." Link

Not only has Trump vehemently denied the allegations, but his lawyer has dismissed them as a politically-motivated hoax, pointing out that the court documents were filed in such a way as to make it impossible to trace their source.

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Reply #26 - Jul 8^th, 2016 at 3:02pm

Frank wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 3:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 12:59pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

Donald Trump is America's only salvation.

"DONALD Trump has been accused of an historical child rape in shocking allegations filed with the United States Federal Court." Link

Not only has Trump vehemently denied the allegations, but his lawyer has dismissed them as a politically-motivated hoax, pointing out that the court documents were filed in such a way as to make it impossible to trace their source.

The lawyer and the defendant say it isn't true.

Ah.

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Reply #27 - Jul 8^th, 2016 at 3:07pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 3:02pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 3:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 12:59pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

Donald Trump is America's only salvation.

"DONALD Trump has been accused of an historical child rape in shocking allegations filed with the United States Federal Court." Link

Not only has Trump vehemently denied the allegations, but his lawyer has dismissed them as a politically-motivated hoax, pointing out that the court documents were filed in such a way as to make it impossible to trace their source.

The lawyer and the defendant say it isn't true.

Ah.

Whilst the haemorrhoid takes every opportunity to be irritating.

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Reply #28 - Jul 8^th, 2016 at 3:09pm

Fuzzball wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 3:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 3:02pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 3:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 12:59pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

Donald Trump is America's only salvation.

"DONALD Trump has been accused of an historical child rape in shocking allegations filed with the United States Federal Court." Link

Not only has Trump vehemently denied the allegations, but his lawyer has dismissed them as a politically-motivated hoax, pointing out that the court documents were filed in such a way as to make it impossible to trace their source.

The lawyer and the defendant say it isn't true.

Ah.

Whilst the haemorrhoid takes every opportunity to be irritating.

They may have set a precedent.

Has a defendant and their lawyer ever denied allegations before?

I'm curious.

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Reply #32 - Jul 8^th, 2016 at 7:21pm

lee wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 1:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 12:59pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

Donald Trump is America's only salvation.

"DONALD Trump has been accused of an historical child rape in shocking allegations filed with the United States Federal Court." Link

Thanks for that. I didn't know. /sarc

Apart from your threadbombing that is.

Forum bombing you mean.

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Reply #34 - Jul 9^th, 2016 at 8:28am

Mortdooley wrote on Jul 9^th, 2016 at 2:31am:

Fuzzball wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

Donald Trump is America's only salvation.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/07/08/sheriff-clarke-i-hope-i-pray-that-dona...

Sheriff Clarke agrees with you and he is a conservative and........Black.

Yes, he's a very honest guy who tells it like it is, and he's a very professional and experienced police officer.

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Reply #35 - Jul 9^th, 2016 at 2:16pm

Mortdooley wrote on Jul 9^th, 2016 at 2:31am:

Fuzzball wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

Donald Trump is America's only salvation.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/07/08/sheriff-clarke-i-hope-i-pray-that-dona...

Sheriff Clarke agrees with you and he is a conservative and........Black.

Well, I agree with him too.....I haven't always felt this way about Trump, but knowing all the alternatives, he isn't the best choice for America....he's the ONLY CHOICE for America.

After seeing how Hillary has maneuvered her way out of indictment, & reading more & more about her history, there is no doubt whatsoever that that crusty tnuc would be the absolute worse thing to happen to America....hell, a 3rd Obama Presidency would be better, illegal as that would be, would be better than her placing her rank ass on the presidential seat in Americas Oval Office.

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