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Reply #75 - Jul 9^th, 2016 at 10:33am

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 9^th, 2016 at 9:29am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 6:08pm:

Asians being South Asians (subcontinentals that include Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and Sri Lankans) as opposed to South East Asians.

The price of Empire (until the 80s) was that Britain got to keep the queen's subjects, only they had to squeeze them from four continents into an island.

Bad idea, considering there are now something like 85 sharia courts in the UK.

Some assimilation, huh? Sounds like the British government has being doing most of the assimilating.

From Empire to Imperial overreach to post-Imperial consequences to a collective, over-accommodating, post-imperial sense of guilt... None of which, of course, was Europe's fault.

India was once the 'jewel in the crown' of the British Empire (Be careful what you desire!)

A lesson for the American Empire!

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Reply #76 - Jul 9^th, 2016 at 10:48am

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 1:38pm:

Believe it or not, John Elliot, as Liberal Party president, once suggested Australia join the EU. Keating, as treasurer, decided to go with Asia instead. It was a contentious debate at the time, and one that is still playing out in the politics of parties like One Nation.

You need to update yourself.

Implying that One Nation is the repository of all things Rightwing and nasty in Australian politics, is very outdated and passé. Less than a year ago Australia's prime minister, Tony Abbott, was telling us that whatever trade deals we make with our Asian business partners - this country's soul will always be linked to the Anglo-sphere of the English-speaking nations.

Howard said pretty much the same thing.

Your monster-under-the-bed One Nation boogey-man has long since been exorcised and sanitized of any evil intent.

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"Tony Abbott believes in the Anglosphere, as he made clear in his book Battlelines. For a witty version of why the Anglosphere works for Abbott, read his Oxford speech on how he was formed by studying there as a Rhodes Scholar.

The strongest foreign policy element in the address is his aside giving the Anglosphere an Asian tinge:

As with all the countries that think and argue among themselves in English (that these days include Singapore and Hong Kong, Malaysia and even India), what we have in common is usually more important than anything that divides us."

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"Tony Abbott has spoken many times about the Anglosphere, the importance of the Anglosphere to him. He did it in his book, where he is not constrained by the obligation to prove he’s not a fire-breathing right-winger. He spoke about the Anglosphere more frequently and forcefully. I value very highly the comfort in our relations with other English-speaking democracies and it means a great deal to Australia ... "

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Reply #77 - Jul 9^th, 2016 at 10:56am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 9^th, 2016 at 10:48am:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 1:38pm:

Believe it or not, John Elliot, as Liberal Party president, once suggested Australia join the EU. Keating, as treasurer, decided to go with Asia instead. It was a contentious debate at the time, and one that is still playing out in the politics of parties like One Nation.

You need to update yourself.

Implying that One Nation is the repository of all things Rightwing and nasty in Australian politics, is very outdated and passé.

Thanks, Herb, that’s a relief.

They’ve modernised, eh?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21157 Gender:	Re: EU to seek empire Reply #78 - Jul 9^th, 2016 at 11:38am Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jul 9^th, 2016 at 10:56am: They’ve modernised, eh? Unlike the Labor Party.
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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: EU to seek empire Reply #79 - Jul 9^th, 2016 at 11:54am Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jul 9^th, 2016 at 10:56am: They’ve modernised, eh? The Liberal Party - yes, but there might be a bit of backsliding under Turnbull's watch.
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Dirty Paki Khunt Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103191	Re: EU to seek empire Reply #81 - Jul 9^th, 2016 at 4:41pm Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 9^th, 2016 at 1:44pm: .. What do you think about the EU seeking an empire, Herbie? More importantly, what do you think about the EU sending Pakis into Mother England? Fullness of time, or what?
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Reply #82 - Jul 9^th, 2016 at 6:16pm

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jul 9^th, 2016 at 4:41pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 9^th, 2016 at 1:44pm:

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What do you think about the EU seeking an empire, Herbie?

More importantly, what do you think about the EU sending Pakis into Mother England?

Fullness of time, or what?

Volume is the problem.

Critical demographic mass.

Britain is heading for the racial divide we've just been witnessing in Dallas ... and it has been entirely artificially social-engineered from a standing-start by liberal-progressives.

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Reply #83 - Jul 9^th, 2016 at 6:55pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 9^th, 2016 at 6:16pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jul 9^th, 2016 at 4:41pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 9^th, 2016 at 1:44pm:

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What do you think about the EU seeking an empire, Herbie?

More importantly, what do you think about the EU sending Pakis into Mother England?

Fullness of time, or what?

Volume is the problem.

Critical demographic mass.

Britain is heading for the racial divide we've just been witnessing in Dallas ... and it has been entirely artificially social-engineered from a standing-start by liberal-progressives.

Mother doesn't have the history of slavery, Herbie - or the police shootings or level of gun violence. This is Uncle's problem.

What have liberal-progressives got to do with Pakis? More importantly, what about the EU?

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Reply #84 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 5:39am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 9^th, 2016 at 10:33am:

From Empire to Imperial overreach to post-Imperial consequences to a collective, over-accommodating, post-imperial sense of guilt... None of which, of course, was Europe's fault.

India was once the 'jewel in the crown' of the British Empire (Be careful what you desire!)

A lesson for the American Empire!

Hmmm ... what, outside the basic 50, do you consider a part of the "American Empire"?

Puerto Rico? Wake Island? Guantanamo Bay?

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Reply #85 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:29am

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 5:39am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 9^th, 2016 at 10:33am:

From Empire to Imperial overreach to post-Imperial consequences to a collective, over-accommodating, post-imperial sense of guilt... None of which, of course, was Europe's fault.

India was once the 'jewel in the crown' of the British Empire (Be careful what you desire!)

A lesson for the American Empire!

Hmmm ... what, outside the basic 50, do you consider a part of the "American Empire"?

Puerto Rico? Wake Island? Guantanamo Bay?

I was thinking more of the late Chalmers Johnson's definition of empire in his book 'Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Empire' in which he suggests the US has already entered the phase of 'Imperial overreach'.

Johnson's sentiments were echoed by Ron Paul in a speech to the House in 2009 : 'An empire replacing the republic. Slavery sold as liberty. Excellence and virtue traded for mediocrity. [] Yet cheered on by the pseudo-capitalists of Wall Street, the military-industrial complex and Detroit, we police our world empire with troops on 700 bases and in 130 countries around the world.'

http://www.ronpaul.com/2012-12-11/ron-paul-is-this-reality-or-just-a-bad-dream-2...

The speech not only echoed Chalmers Johnson's warning but was delivered with a lyricism that owed much to Charles Bukowski.

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Reply #86 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 12:34pm

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 5:39am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 9^th, 2016 at 10:33am:

From Empire to Imperial overreach to post-Imperial consequences to a collective, over-accommodating, post-imperial sense of guilt... None of which, of course, was Europe's fault.

India was once the 'jewel in the crown' of the British Empire (Be careful what you desire!)

A lesson for the American Empire!

Hmmm ... what, outside the basic 50, do you consider a part of the "American Empire"?

Puerto Rico? Wake Island? Guantanamo Bay?

Latin America, South East Asia, the Middle East, NATO...

I could go on.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21157 Gender:	Re: EU to seek empire Reply #87 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 1:07pm Well Barry O said there were 57 states.
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Reply #88 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 1:11pm

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 12:34pm:

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 5:39am:

Hmmm ... what, outside the basic 50, do you consider a part of the "American Empire"?

Puerto Rico? Wake Island? Guantanamo Bay?

Latin America, South East Asia, the Middle East, NATO...

I could go on.

You obviously haven't been here lately. Under Obama, Latin America has been moving into the United States -- one illegal family at a time.

And what part of Southeast Asia are you referring to -- the Philippines? Surely you're not still talking about Vietnam. ("For it's 1, 2, 3, what are we fightin' for?")
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXspsfoPX50

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The4thEstate Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 322 Flyover Country, U.S.A. Gender:	Re: EU to seek empire Reply #89 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 1:13pm lee wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 1:07pm: Well Barry O said there were 57 states. Yes he did. Wonder if he was thinking about Heinz sauce. Of course, he's also the guy who once gave a speech about -- as he pronounced it -- "Navy CORPSEmen."
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