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Realists Global Cooling is too real for comfort
Jun 29th, 2016 at 9:13pm
 
We are likely headed for a mini ice age.  This is FACT and not lying Greenie Global Warming RUBBISH.


The sun has gone blank twice this month. This is what it means
news.com.au June 29, 2016 5:16pm

The sun at the moment is completely blank. But don’t worry, everything’s going to be all right.

YOU may not have noticed but our sun has gone as blank as a cue ball. As in, it’s lost its spots.

According to scientists, this unsettling phenomenon is a sign we are heading for a mini ice age.


Meteorologist and renowned sun-watcher Paul Dorian raised the alarm in his latest report, which has sparked a mild panic about an impending Game of Thrones-style winter not seen since the 17th century.

“For the second time this month, the sun has gone completely blank,” Mr Dorian says.

“The blank sun is a sign that the next solar minimum is approaching and there will be an increasing number of spotless days over the next few years.

“At first, the blankness will stretch for just a few days at a time, then it’ll continue for weeks at a time, and finally it should last for months at a time when the sunspot cycle reaches its nadir. The next solar minimum phase is expected to take place around 2019 or 2020.”

If you’re confused about what a “blank” sun is, below is a picture of what it normally looks like, in all its solar flare-and-blemishes glory.
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Not blank: Plenty going on here. Picture: NASA

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Blank: A blemish-free sun indicates decreased solar activity known as a solar minimum.

According to NASA, the sun goes through a natural solar cycle approximately every 11 years. The cycle is marked by the increase and decrease of sunspots — visible as dark blemishes on the sun’s surface, or photosphere. The greatest number of sunspots in any given solar cycle is designated as “solar maximum.” The lowest number is “solar minimum”.

“During Solar Max, huge sunspots and intense solar flares are a daily occurrence. Auroras appear in Florida. Radiation storms knock out satellites. Radio blackouts frustrate CB radio as well. The last such episode took place in the years around 2000-2001,” the space agency’s website

“During solar minimum, the opposite occurs. Solar flares are almost non-existent while whole weeks go by without a single, tiny sunspot to break the monotony of the blank sun. This is what we are experiencing now.”

Given that the sun is the main driver of all weather and climate, the sinister-sounding “blankness” to which Mr Dorian refers has some experts predicting a “Maunder Minimum” phase similar to one which began in 1645 and which is referred to as the “Little Ice Age”.

The Maunder Minimum, named after solar astronomer Edward Maunder, lasted for a brutal 70 years and was so cold the Thames froze over.

A slightly less intense ice age-like period called the Dalton Minimum — after British Meteorologist John Dalton — arrived decades later and lasted from about 1790 to 1830.

“If history is any guide, it is safe to say that weak solar activity for a prolonged period of time can have a cooling impact on global temperatures in the troposphere which is the bottommost layer of Earth’s atmosphere — and where we all live,” Mr Dorian says.

Mr Dorian’s findings back research by professor Valentina Zharkova of Northumbria University, who warned that a predicted sharp decline in solar activity between 2020 and 2050 was a sign another ice age was coming.

“I am absolutely confident in our research,” Prof Zharkova said.

“It has good mathematical background and reliable data, which has been handled correctly. In fact, our results can be repeated by any researchers with the similar data available in many solar observatories, so they can derive their own evidence of upcoming Maunder Minimum in solar magnetic field and activity.”

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A graph showing the top ‘sunspotless’ days since 1849. The peach columns show when relatively brief solar minimums have occurred. In contrast, the ‘Little Ice Age’ of the 17th century coincided with a 70-year solar minimum.

And there are other consequences of a sun without spots. Not least for astronauts who face the risk of having their DNA “shattered” by cosmic rays, whose potency surges during periods of solar weakness.

According to Mr Dorian, cosmic rays surge into the inner solar system “with relative ease” during periods of solar minimum.

“Solar wind decreases and sun’s magnetic field weakens during solar minimums making it easier for cosmic rays to reach the Earth,” he explains.

“This is a more dangerous time for astronauts as the increase in potent cosmic rays can easily shatter a strand of human DNA. Also, during years of lower sunspot number, the sun’s extreme ultraviolet radiation (EUV) drops and the Earth’s upper atmosphere cools and contracts.

“With sharply lower aerodynamic drag, satellites have less trouble staying in orbit — a good thing. On the other hand, space junk tends to accumulate, making the space around Earth a more dangerous place for astronauts.”

The weather is changing so fast that the new extremes being felt around the world might actually threaten human civilisation itself. Welcome to the new terrifying world of global weirding.

[url]http://www.couriermail.com.au/technology/science/the-sun-has-gone-blank-twice-this-month-this-is-what-it-means/news-story/d775ecf894ab68415ed
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Reply #1 - Jun 30th, 2016 at 12:47pm
 
Sigh.

Solar flares dont change the thermal output of the sun.
this is a ten year cycle. We dont have an ice age every decade.

The scientist in the story never even mentions climate. The story doesnt detail which "expert" draws that conclusion. Because no "expert" would admit to such a childlike comprehension of solardynamics.

It does raise a valid point about the effect of solar wind on cosmic radiation. Irrelevent to the climate issue, but at least it pads out the article with some more sciency terms, and lets face it, this article needs all the help it can get!






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Reply #2 - Jun 30th, 2016 at 3:55pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jun 30th, 2016 at 12:47pm:
Sigh.

Solar flares dont change the thermal output of the sun.
this is a ten year cycle. We dont have an ice age every decade.

The scientist in the story never even mentions climate. The story doesnt detail which "expert" draws that conclusion. Because no "expert" would admit to such a childlike comprehension of solardynamics.

It does raise a valid point about the effect of solar wind on cosmic radiation. Irrelevent to the climate issue, but at least it pads out the article with some more sciency terms, and lets face it, this article needs all the help it can get!



You do realise we have other cycles? Have you thought about algebraically adding them?
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Reply #3 - Jun 30th, 2016 at 9:40pm
 
juliar wrote on Jun 29th, 2016 at 9:13pm:
the sinister-sounding “blankness” to which Mr Dorian refers has some experts predicting a “Maunder Minimum” phase similar to one which began in 1645 and which is referred to as the “Little Ice Age”.



except that we have a "blank" sun every 11 years
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Reply #4 - Jul 1st, 2016 at 6:50pm
 
'This is the first spotless day of the 24-25 solar minimum. Not a great deal can be read from that. According to Wilson, for cycles 9-14, sunspot minimum followed the first spotless day by about 72 months, having a range of 62-82 months; for cycles 15-21, sunspot minimum followed the first spotless day by about 35 months, having a range of 27-40 months. So we could still be six years from minimum making Solar Cycle 24 about 13 years long. Longer is weaker in the following cycle, and colder.

When the Sun goes blank we still have what the professionals use – the F10.7 flux:'

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Posted at WattsUpWithThat but have at it and find it elsewhere.
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Reply #5 - Jul 2nd, 2016 at 10:27am
 
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This is the first spotless day of the 24-25 solar minimum. Not a great deal can be read from that.


Juliar. You know that you are onto a dud when even Whatsupwiththat are distancing themselves from it

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Reply #6 - Jul 2nd, 2016 at 11:07am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 2nd, 2016 at 10:27am:
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This is the first spotless day of the 24-25 solar minimum. Not a great deal can be read from that.


Juliar. You know that you are onto a dud when even Whatsupwiththat are distancing themselves from it

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The one thing I really hate about warmist and alarmists  is their deception has no bounds.

Really brain washed individuals.

In the past you would have been witch hunters or young Nazis..... Cry

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/10/28/bbc-real-risk-of-a-maunder-minimum-little...

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Reply #7 - Jul 2nd, 2016 at 11:55am
 
What I hate about AGM deniers is their constant misrepresentation and cherry picking.

Thanks for posting the "Whats up with that?" article becaus it shows once and for all how dishonest they are.

The headline is BBC - Real risk of a Maunder minimum 'Little Ice Age'
This implies that this is an officially endorsed by the BBC. It isn't. Paul Hudson is just a weatherman at the BBC and he is misrepresenting what Professor Mike Lockwood has said. Notice how he never actually quotes him.

Here is a REAL BBC article with a REAL Mike Lockwood quote:

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A new scientific study concludes that changes in the Sun's output cannot be causing modern-day climate change.

"This should settle the debate," said Mike Lockwood, from the UK's Rutherford-Appleton Laboratory, who carried out the new analysis together with Claus Froehlich from the World Radiation Center in Switzerland.
Dr Lockwood initiated the study partially in response to the TV documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle, broadcast on Britain's Channel Four earlier this year, which featured the cosmic ray hypothesis.
"All the graphs they showed stopped in about 1980, and I knew why, because things diverged after that," he told the BBC News website.

"You can't just ignore bits of data that you don't like," he said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6290228.stm


Blatant dishonesty by Whats Up With That

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Reply #8 - Jul 2nd, 2016 at 12:13pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 2nd, 2016 at 11:55am:
What I hate about AGM deniers is their constant misrepresentation and cherry picking.

Thanks for posting the "Whats up with that?" article becaus it shows once and for all how dishonest they are.

The headline is BBC - Real risk of a Maunder minimum 'Little Ice Age'
This implies that this is an officially endorsed by the BBC. It isn't. Paul Hudson is just a weatherman at the BBC and he is misrepresenting what Professor Mike Lockwood has said. Notice how he never actually quotes him.

Here is a REAL BBC article with a REAL Mike Lockwood quote:

Quote:
A new scientific study concludes that changes in the Sun's output cannot be causing modern-day climate change.

"This should settle the debate," said Mike Lockwood, from the UK's Rutherford-Appleton Laboratory, who carried out the new analysis together with Claus Froehlich from the World Radiation Center in Switzerland.
Dr Lockwood initiated the study partially in response to the TV documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle, broadcast on Britain's Channel Four earlier this year, which featured the cosmic ray hypothesis.
"All the graphs they showed stopped in about 1980, and I knew why, because things diverged after that," he told the BBC News website.

"You can't just ignore bits of data that you don't like," he said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6290228.stm


Blatant dishonesty by Whats Up With That



Typical warmist destroy the source.

Well were in his story does he actually misrepresent Lockwood, I'm all ears, please point it out cause I cant see it.

Talking through your pie hole again.

You said WUWT are distancing themselves from the maunder minimum, which they are NOT.

http://notrickszone.com/2016/06/29/u-turn-scientists-at-pik-potsdam-institute-no...

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Reply #9 - Jul 2nd, 2016 at 12:52pm
 
Ajax wrote on Jul 2nd, 2016 at 12:13pm:
Typical warmist destroy the source.

Well were in his story does he actually misrepresent Lockwood, I'm all ears, please point it out cause I cant see it.



No if you had read it carefully you would realise that I'm actually destroying the article.

Fraudulently implying that it was a BBC article and then not providing any quotes from the Lockwood to back up their claim.

But they know that people like you will fall for it

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Reply #10 - Jul 2nd, 2016 at 1:03pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 2nd, 2016 at 12:52pm:
Ajax wrote on Jul 2nd, 2016 at 12:13pm:
Typical warmist destroy the source.

Well were in his story does he actually misrepresent Lockwood, I'm all ears, please point it out cause I cant see it.



No if you had read it carefully you would realise that I'm actually destroying the article.

Fraudulently implying that it was a BBC article and then not providing any quotes from the Lockwood to back up their claim.

But they know that people like you will fall for it

Grin


Technicalities don't get you a get out of free jail card.

Its on his blog which is part of the BBC web site.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulhudson/entries/6d50a6bd-779a-32d6-bfca-06e4484d68...

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Reply #11 - Jul 2nd, 2016 at 1:24pm
 
Ajax wrote on Jul 2nd, 2016 at 1:03pm:
Its on his blog which is part of the BBC web site.



Yes and its from 2013, almost 3 years ago

Given 2014 and 2015 were the warmest years on record how much longer are we going to have to wait for this "little ice age"

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Reply #12 - Jul 2nd, 2016 at 4:52pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 2nd, 2016 at 1:24pm:
Given 2014 and 2015 were the warmest years on record



You still can't get your head around the 1997 temperature which was 3.83ºF higher than 2015, can you?  According to NOAA, the warmists Bible. Wink
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Reply #13 - Jul 3rd, 2016 at 12:00pm
 
lee wrote on Jul 2nd, 2016 at 4:52pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 2nd, 2016 at 1:24pm:
Given 2014 and 2015 were the warmest years on record



You still can't get your head around the 1997 temperature which was 3.83ºF higher than 2015, can you?  According to NOAA, the warmists Bible. Wink


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Please note: the estimate for the baseline global temperature used in this study differed, and was warmer than, the baseline estimate (Jones et al., 1999) used currently. This report has been superseded by subsequent analyses. However, as with all climate monitoring reports, it is left online as it was written at the time.
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/199713


I've posted this before. What don't you understand about this?
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Reply #14 - Jul 3rd, 2016 at 4:10pm
 
Well, well, well....look what we've got here

If it isn't big bad lee spreading his deceptions and delusional hatred for the future wellbeing of the world's children.

I leave for 5 minutes and some things just never change.

lee's hatred reverberates across this forum like a putrid foul stenching fume acridly corroding the decent folk of this once fine establishment.

It is not enough for lee to merely protect the elite, the corporate welfare scavengers, the privatised unaccountable banksters and merchant vultures - Oh no ladies and gentlemen, this can never be enough for lee - he must incinerate the carcasses of future generations of children with his fossil fuel combustion neurosis and hatred of renewable energy options and clean living.

Well done lee, well smacking done mate

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