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Reply #75 - Jul 1^st, 2016 at 3:27pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 1^st, 2016 at 3:03pm:

I see a lot of scoffing and faux outrage to this statement, but no one has actually tried to refute it. Not you, not Quantum and not Herb.

You are attempting to perform a very risky high-wire circus act without a net here when you ask us to believe that the reinstatement of Islam into Turkish society as a more strict and pervasive discipline than was the case under Ataturk, means that somehow this also delivers more personal freedom for the average citizen.

It's a contradiction in terms.

Religion promotes the antithesis of everything that constitutes democracy, freedom of the press, and personal freedoms.

I know.

I was frog-marched to church every Sunday morning for 4 years despite my objections.

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Reply #78 - Jul 1^st, 2016 at 3:31pm

Melanias purse wrote on Jul 1^st, 2016 at 2:34pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 1^st, 2016 at 10:40am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 1^st, 2016 at 10:25am:

Correction: They are from Russia, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan.

Spetsnaz knows how to deal with them, but after Turkey shot down a Russian plane just recently it's possible that Russian Intelligence allowed these three to go through to Turkey while knowing they might be up to mischief.

A very good point, Herbie.

It's a conspiracy theory that's a bit far fetched, but I thought I'd fly that kite anyway while there was a breeze blowing.

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Reply #79 - Jul 1^st, 2016 at 3:55pm

Herbie says this:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 1^st, 2016 at 3:27pm:

You are attempting to perform a very risky high-wire circus act without a net here

Before he says this:

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when you ask us to believe that the reinstatement of Islam into Turkish society as a more strict and pervasive discipline than was the case under Ataturk, means that somehow this also delivers more personal freedom for the average citizen.

I know I know, I don't understand it either.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Istanbul airport bombing Reply #80 - Jul 1^st, 2016 at 4:12pm I was going to reply to that, but then I thought why bother?
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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Istanbul airport bombing Reply #81 - Jul 1^st, 2016 at 4:19pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 1^st, 2016 at 4:12pm: I was going to reply to that, but then I thought why bother? Exactly. You've been on a hopeless mission with this, so cutting your losses while you're behind is a wise decision.
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Reply #82 - Jul 1^st, 2016 at 4:19pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 1^st, 2016 at 3:31pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Jul 1^st, 2016 at 2:34pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 1^st, 2016 at 10:40am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 1^st, 2016 at 10:25am:

Correction: They are from Russia, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan.

Spetsnaz knows how to deal with them, but after Turkey shot down a Russian plane just recently it's possible that Russian Intelligence allowed these three to go through to Turkey while knowing they might be up to mischief.

A very good point, Herbie.

It's a conspiracy theory that's a bit far fetched, but I thought I'd fly that kite anyway while there was a breeze blowing.

It doesn't sound too far-fetched to me. Putin's own security forces were caught red-handed placing bombs in Moscow apartment blocks during his first election as president. This is how Putin works.

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Reply #83 - Jul 1^st, 2016 at 4:25pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 1^st, 2016 at 4:19pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 1^st, 2016 at 4:12pm:

I was going to reply to that, but then I thought why bother?

Exactly.

You've been on a hopeless mission with this, so cutting your losses while you're behind is a wise decision.

more a case of blood sugar levels being low late in the afternoon when you fast. At the moment I'm more interested in the kebab I'll be consuming in, oh about one hour.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #84 - Jul 1^st, 2016 at 4:34pm

Brian,??

Indeed, the total number of books translated into Arabic during the 1,000 years since the age of Caliph Al-Ma’moun [a ninth-century Arab ruler who was a patron of cultural interaction between Arab, Persian, and Greek scholars—WPR] to this day is less than those translated in Spain in one year. The report noted that Arab rulers stay in office all their lives and create dynasties that inherit power, and the peoples are unable to institute change.

The Arab development report hangs out the Arabs’ dirty washing before the world and offers a wealth of information that mars the image of the Arabs in the world, but unfortunately the information is correct. Perhaps the most Arab regimes will do after reading it is to pressure Kofi Annan to move Rima Khalaf and ask her to pack her bags and return to her home in Amman.

http://worldpress.org/Mideast/663.cfm

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Reply #85 - Jul 1^st, 2016 at 6:21pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 1^st, 2016 at 4:25pm:

more a case of blood sugar levels being low late in the afternoon when you fast. At the moment I'm more interested in the kebab I'll be consuming in, oh about one hour.

The kebabs that I buy have WAY too many diced chunks of fat masquerading as solid meat pieces which I believe the Greeks and Lebbos who sell me these kid themselves that I'm not aware of this ethnic fraud.

During Ramadan I made sure not to be seen eating in front of my Muslim workmates. It was just a courtesy that I paid them, in the same way that I didn't smoke in front of my brother when he was medically forced to quit smoking.

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Reply #86 - Jul 1^st, 2016 at 9:53pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 1^st, 2016 at 6:21pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 1^st, 2016 at 4:25pm:

more a case of blood sugar levels being low late in the afternoon when you fast. At the moment I'm more interested in the kebab I'll be consuming in, oh about one hour.

The kebabs that I buy have WAY too many diced chunks of fat masquerading as solid meat pieces which I believe the Greeks and Lebbos who sell me these kid themselves that I'm not aware of this ethnic fraud.

During Ramadan I made sure not to be seen eating in front of my Muslim workmates. It was just a courtesy that I paid them, in the same way that I didn't smoke in front of my brother when he was medically forced to quit smoking.

Ah yes, you remember the kebabs back in the good old days - before the arrival of those stingy Lebs and Turks .

Those were the days, eh? What was your favourite flavour, Herb?

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Reply #87 - Jul 2^nd, 2016 at 11:16am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 1^st, 2016 at 3:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2016 at 8:19am:

What's a jailing or two between friends? Those journalists were probably writing articles about Erdogan's past as a war criminal. We can't have that, when Muslims are working so hard to paint him as a progressive reformer. And no doubt those Armenians broke some kind of treaty....

You're not making any point here FD, it remains a fact that in Turkey those on the side of freedom and democracy have, for well over a century, been the Islamists, while those on the side of oppression have been the anti-religious Kemalists. I see a lot of scoffing and faux outrage to this statement, but no one has actually tried to refute it. Not you, not Quantum and not Herb.

Is it opposite day?

The Kemalists removed religion (Islam) from public life (from schools, public buildings, public institutions, Islamic clothing). It was a necessary oppression so Turkey could move into the modern world.

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Reply #89 - Jul 2^nd, 2016 at 12:05pm

Melanias purse wrote on Jul 1^st, 2016 at 9:53pm:

Ah yes, you remember the kebabs back in the good old days - before the arrival of those stingy Lebs and Turks .

Those were the days, eh? What was your favourite flavour, Herb?

Pork, beef, lamb, mutton, rabbit, chicken - we had it all on the plate long before swamping the West with Third World ethnics was a glint in our politicians' eyes.

Oh, but then these ethnics had the idea of sliding bits of meat onto a stick for Take Away. Who would have thought such genius was possible?

And guess what the sons, daughters, and grandchildren of most immigrant ethnics eat nowadays as their staple diet?

English/Western cuisine.

Have a look at the sons and daughters of Greek, Italian, Chinese, Filipino, Macedonian, and Indian migrants ... They tower over their parents because of meat-and-three-vegetables Western foods.

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