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Re: Istanbul airport bombing
Reply #45 - Jun 30^th, 2016 at 8:13pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 8:11pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 6:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 6:00pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 5:37pm:

Love how the Ottomans are are regarded as the pinnacle of modern Islam. Pitty they couldn't even get their heads around the printing press

Really?

You always make me laugh, say funny things. Wink

Ottomans were first introduced to the printing press by the Sephardic Jews in Istanbul in 1494
The printing press was used only by the non-Muslims in the Ottoman Empire until the 18th century.

We are a talking about a 290 year delay since the invention of the printing press. The 290 year delay is unforgivable but that’s not the saddest part. The adoption of the printing press took another century. Şükrü Hanioğlu [1] explains that the number of books printed in the following century was miniscule.

“The late arrival of the printing house in the empire has often been cited as one of the major causes of the relative decline of Ottoman science and culture in comparison with Europe. It should be noted, however, that the major Ottoman printing houses published a combined total of only 142 books in more than a century of printing between 1727 and 1838. When taken in conjunction with the fact that only a miniscule number of copies of each book were printed, this statistic demonstrates that the introduction of the printing press did not transform Ottoman cultural life until the emergence of vibrant print media in the middle of the nineteenth century”

https://sureshemre.wordpress.com/2014/01/18/on-the-late-adoption-of-the-printing...

Missing the point, Gordy? How unusual. You claimed they "couldn't get their heads around the printing press", yet they were using printing presses inside the Ottoman Empire well enough IMHO. Perhaps the Ottomans care more about their scribes than the Europeans did? Roll Eyes

Shall we move on to science in the Islamic world in the last 250 years? Grin

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Re: Istanbul airport bombing
Reply #46 - Jun 30^th, 2016 at 8:27pm

Quantum wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 8:09pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 8:01pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 7:02pm:

Third, while Erdogan has gone a bit over the top with his rhetoric, I don't see much evidence of actual moves to suppress democracy in practice - apart from a gaoling here and there.

Now I KNOW you're pulling our leg!

For a while there you had me sucked in and taking you seriously.

Yeah, apparently on 9/11 the Muslims also went a bit over the top, but overall it wasn't really "terrorism" or anything.

Precisely.

It was a media beat-up for the most part, pandering to the Islamophobes, the bigots, and the xenophobes.

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Re: Istanbul airport bombing
Reply #48 - Jun 30^th, 2016 at 8:29pm

Now all you lot have to do is demonstrate how the decades of Kemalist rule were so much better than the Islamists that both followed and preceded them - in terms of democracy and freedom.

freediver wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

Perhaps he is referring to a different Erdogan.

Says he who quoted an article that highlights the increased political activism of women:

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Turkey’s women are becoming more openly politicised than its men. Half of the protesters at the Gezi park demonstrations were women. In social media most of the critical campaigns are led by women.

How can that be - people openly protesting against Islamists in such a brutal anti-democratic Islamic theocracy?

I'd ask you how well you think the political activist scene thrived during the Kemalist rule - but I'm pretty sure I'd be wasting my time.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Istanbul airport bombing
Reply #49 - Jun 30^th, 2016 at 8:42pm

GordyL wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 8:13pm:

Shall we move on to science in the Islamic world in the last 250 years? Grin

I'll take that then an admission that your original statement was wrong, shall I, Gordy?

Science in the Muslim world was once the world's leader but that was hundreds of years ago. Today, it has been blighted by anti-intellectualism within the Islamist factions and lags well behind the West. Roll Eyes

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Re: Istanbul airport bombing
Reply #50 - Jun 30^th, 2016 at 8:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 8:13pm:

Shall we move on to science in the Islamic world in the last 250 years? Grin

I'll take that then an admission that your original statement was wrong, shall I, Gordy?

Science in the Muslim world was once the world's leader but that was hundreds of years ago. Today, it has been blighted by anti-intellectualism within the Islamist factions and lags well behind the West. Roll Eyes

Bribei. They used the printing press but it wasn't widely embrased

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Re: Istanbul airport bombing
Reply #52 - Jun 30^th, 2016 at 9:16pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

Science in the Muslim world was once the world's leader but that was hundreds of years ago.

Al Ghazali declared Ibn Sina was atheist, Gandalf admits Muhammad al Razi was atheist in fact the vast majority of scientists were from the golden age of atheism. Roll Eyes

Al Haytham wrote his book of Optics while under house arrest and he was feigning madness , that is the only one than can be called a muslim. Roll Eyes

Been through this all before bwian perhaps you should search this forum before making a fool of yourself again.
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Has everyone left your crappy forum again bwian, what sort of loser has a forum that nobody goes to, how sad you have to come here to feed your internet addiction. Roll Eyes

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Re: Istanbul airport bombing
Reply #53 - Jun 30^th, 2016 at 9:18pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 8:08pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 6:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 6:00pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 5:37pm:

Love how the Ottomans are are regarded as the pinnacle of modern Islam. Pitty they couldn't even get their heads around the printing press

Really?

Yes...REALLY!

Really?

Wiki is not a credible source bwian. Roll Eyes

Was Constantinople renamed Istanbul when muslims conquered it? Roll Eyes

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Re: Istanbul airport bombing
Reply #54 - Jun 30^th, 2016 at 9:21pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 9:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

Science in the Muslim world was once the world's leader but that was hundreds of years ago.

Al Ghazali declared Ibn Sina was atheist, Gandalf admits Muhammad al Razi was atheist in fact the vast majority of scientists were from the golden age of atheism. Roll Eyes

Al Haytham wrote his book of Optics while under house arrest and he was feigning madness , that is the only one than can be called a muslim. Roll Eyes

Been through this all before bwian perhaps you should search this forum before making a fool of yourself again.
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Has everyone left your crappy forum again bwian, what sort of loser has a forum that nobody goes to, how sad you have to come here to feed your internet addiction. Roll Eyes

Lol what forum?

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Re: Istanbul airport bombing
Reply #55 - Jun 30^th, 2016 at 9:26pm

GordyL wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 9:21pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 9:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

Science in the Muslim world was once the world's leader but that was hundreds of years ago.

Al Ghazali declared Ibn Sina was atheist, Gandalf admits Muhammad al Razi was atheist in fact the vast majority of scientists were from the golden age of atheism. Roll Eyes

Al Haytham wrote his book of Optics while under house arrest and he was feigning madness , that is the only one than can be called a muslim. Roll Eyes

Been through this all before bwian perhaps you should search this forum before making a fool of yourself again.
Roll Eyes

Has everyone left your crappy forum again bwian, what sort of loser has a forum that nobody goes to, how sad you have to come here to feed your internet addiction. Roll Eyes

Lol what forum?

Ask Brian about it, it's not worth pissing on then again maybe it is. Grin

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Re: Istanbul airport bombing
Reply #56 - Jun 30^th, 2016 at 9:39pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 6:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 6:00pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 5:37pm:

Love how the Ottomans are are regarded as the pinnacle of modern Islam. Pitty they couldn't even get their heads around the printing press

Really?

You always make me laugh, say funny things. Wink

Ottomans were first introduced to the printing press by the Sephardic Jews in Istanbul in 1494.

The printing press was used only by the non-Muslims in the Ottoman Empire until the 18th century.

We are a talking about a 290 year delay since the invention of the printing press. The 290 year delay is unforgivable but that’s not the saddest part. The adoption of the printing press took another century. Şükrü Hanioğlu [1] explains that the number of books printed in the following century was miniscule.

“The late arrival of the printing house in the empire has often been cited as one of the major causes of the relative decline of Ottoman science and culture in comparison with Europe. It should be noted, however, that the major Ottoman printing houses published a combined total of only 142 books in more than a century of printing between 1727 and 1838. When taken in conjunction with the fact that only a miniscule number of copies of each book were printed, this statistic demonstrates that the introduction of the printing press did not transform Ottoman cultural life until the emergence of vibrant print media in the middle of the nineteenth century”

https://sureshemre.wordpress.com/2014/01/18/on-the-late-adoption-of-the-printing...

Oh dear. Those Jews. Again lol Grin

Now now, no need to be touchy, Gordy.

Wasn’t it the Sephardic Canadians?

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Re: Istanbul airport bombing
Reply #57 - Jun 30^th, 2016 at 9:51pm

Melanias purse wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 9:39pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 6:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 6:00pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 5:37pm:

Love how the Ottomans are are regarded as the pinnacle of modern Islam. Pitty they couldn't even get their heads around the printing press

Really?

You always make me laugh, say funny things. Wink

Ottomans were first introduced to the printing press by the Sephardic Jews in Istanbul in 1494.

The printing press was used only by the non-Muslims in the Ottoman Empire until the 18th century.

We are a talking about a 290 year delay since the invention of the printing press. The 290 year delay is unforgivable but that’s not the saddest part. The adoption of the printing press took another century. Şükrü Hanioğlu [1] explains that the number of books printed in the following century was miniscule.

“The late arrival of the printing house in the empire has often been cited as one of the major causes of the relative decline of Ottoman science and culture in comparison with Europe. It should be noted, however, that the major Ottoman printing houses published a combined total of only 142 books in more than a century of printing between 1727 and 1838. When taken in conjunction with the fact that only a miniscule number of copies of each book were printed, this statistic demonstrates that the introduction of the printing press did not transform Ottoman cultural life until the emergence of vibrant print media in the middle of the nineteenth century”

https://sureshemre.wordpress.com/2014/01/18/on-the-late-adoption-of-the-printing...

Oh dear. Those Jews. Again lol Grin

Now now, no need to be touchy, Gordy.

Wasn’t it the Sephardic Canadians?

Why do you think I'm Jewish? Are you hoping I am as you have a preference for cut penis?
You know your husband will stone you?

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Re: Istanbul airport bombing
Reply #58 - Jun 30^th, 2016 at 10:31pm

GordyL wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 9:21pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 9:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

Science in the Muslim world was once the world's leader but that was hundreds of years ago.

Al Ghazali declared Ibn Sina was atheist, Gandalf admits Muhammad al Razi was atheist in fact the vast majority of scientists were from the golden age of atheism. Roll Eyes

Al Haytham wrote his book of Optics while under house arrest and he was feigning madness , that is the only one than can be called a muslim. Roll Eyes

Been through this all before bwian perhaps you should search this forum before making a fool of yourself again.
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Has everyone left your crappy forum again bwian, what sort of loser has a forum that nobody goes to, how sad you have to come here to feed your internet addiction. Roll Eyes

Lol what forum?

Of course, you'd be welcome to join, Gordy.

http://www.debaterelate.com

Of course, you do need first to agree to the rules. Do you think you could do that? Baron decided he couldn't act like a civilised person and so never bothered to register. Funny that. Roll Eyes

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Re: Istanbul airport bombing
Reply #59 - Jun 30^th, 2016 at 10:32pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 9:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

Science in the Muslim world was once the world's leader but that was hundreds of years ago.

Al Ghazali declared Ibn Sina was atheist, Gandalf admits Muhammad al Razi was atheist in fact the vast majority of scientists were from the golden age of atheism. Roll Eyes

Al Haytham wrote his book of Optics while under house arrest and he was feigning madness , that is the only one than can be called a muslim. Roll Eyes

Been through this all before bwian perhaps you should search this forum before making a fool of yourself again.
Roll Eyes

Has everyone left your crappy forum again bwian, what sort of loser has a forum that nobody goes to, how sad you have to come here to feed your internet addiction. Roll Eyes

Resorting to ad hominem again, Baron. How unsurprising. Roll Eyes

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