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GordyL Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4365 Hate Town Gender:	Istanbul airport bombing Jun 29^th, 2016 at 9:03am Reports of more than 50 dead. I blame Islam http://m.smh.com.au/world/suicide-bomber-in-istanbul-airport-blast-says-turkish-...
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Re: Istanbul airport bombing
Reply #1 - Jun 29^th, 2016 at 9:53am

GordyL wrote on Jun 29^th, 2016 at 9:03am:

Reports of more than 50 dead.
I blame Islam
http://m.smh.com.au/world/suicide-bomber-in-istanbul-airport-blast-says-turkish-...

if it was a suicide bomber who else?>...

3 bombs.. bloody hell what sort of security do they have there.... none by the sound of it..

my daughter and her family are on a plane right now coming home to Aust its not a good feeling what with planes catching fire and now this...its horrible nowhere is safe we are kidding ourselves if this cant happen here...

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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: Istanbul airport bombing Reply #2 - Jun 29^th, 2016 at 12:45pm The West has many ailments, but Islam has cancer. They need to start cutting it out.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Istanbul airport bombing Reply #3 - Jun 29^th, 2016 at 1:14pm issuevoter wrote on Jun 29^th, 2016 at 12:45pm: The West has many ailments, but Islam has cancer. They need to start cutting it out. Turkey is proving remarkably successful at advancing a progressive, liberal-minded Islamic culture into their society. I suspect thats why they are being targeted by Islamists.
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39699 Gender:	Re: Istanbul airport bombing Reply #4 - Jun 29^th, 2016 at 7:01pm What a loser this murdering idiot was always going to be. A LERT: IDIOT BLOWS HIMSELF UP.
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 56936 Gender:	Re: Istanbul airport bombing Reply #5 - Jun 29^th, 2016 at 7:04pm Aussie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2016 at 7:01pm: What a loser this murdering idiot was always going to be. A LERT: IDIOT BLOWS HIMSELF UP. He was shouting Allahu Akhbar - which, apparently, has nothing to do with Islam or Muslims but is Arabic for 'what about that Westboro Christian'. Weird.
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Re: Istanbul airport bombing
Reply #6 - Jun 29^th, 2016 at 7:06pm

Frank wrote on Jun 29^th, 2016 at 7:04pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2016 at 7:01pm:

What a loser this murdering idiot was always going to be.

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LERT: IDIOT BLOWS HIMSELF UP.

He was shouting Allahu Akhbar - which, apparently, has nothing to do with Islam or Muslims.

Really? I did not hear that, but I would not be at all surprised if he did.

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Re: Istanbul airport bombing
Reply #7 - Jun 29^th, 2016 at 7:10pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2016 at 7:06pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 29^th, 2016 at 7:04pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2016 at 7:01pm:

What a loser this murdering idiot was always going to be.

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LERT: IDIOT BLOWS HIMSELF UP.

He was shouting Allahu Akhbar - which, apparently, has nothing to do with Islam or Muslims.

Really? I did not hear that, but I would not be at all surprised if he did.

"Really"???

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Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39699 Gender:	Re: Istanbul airport bombing Reply #8 - Jun 29^th, 2016 at 7:17pm Yeas. I did type ~ Really. Have another look. You'll see it. Really.
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Re: Istanbul airport bombing
Reply #9 - Jun 30^th, 2016 at 1:10pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 29^th, 2016 at 1:14pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 29^th, 2016 at 12:45pm:

The West has many ailments, but Islam has cancer. They need to start cutting it out.

Turkey is proving remarkably successful at advancing a progressive, liberal-minded Islamic culture into their society.

It used to be. It reached its peak in secularism in the late 1970s. Religion emerged (again) in the early 1980s in an attempt to try to halt the violent fighting between the left and right. Since Erdogan came to power religion has become more and more prominent.

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Re: Istanbul airport bombing
Reply #10 - Jun 30^th, 2016 at 2:07pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 29^th, 2016 at 1:14pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 29^th, 2016 at 12:45pm:

The West has many ailments, but Islam has cancer. They need to start cutting it out.

Turkey is proving remarkably successful at advancing a progressive, liberal-minded Islamic culture into their society.

It used to be. It reached its peak in secularism in the late 1970s. Religion emerged (again) in the early 1980s in an attempt to try to halt the violent fighting between the left and right. Since Erdogan came to power religion has become more and more prominent.

Misty you are drawing a false dichotomy here.

You are right that religion has become more prominent, but wrong to equate that with lack of liberty, or even 'liberal mindedness'. The great late President Turgut Ozal was a devout muslim, and also a believer in liberty and private enterprise. Whats important to note though, is that he actually saw the two as complimentary - as any muslim from the rationalist school will tell you. Through his notion of "the three freedom" - ideas, religion and enterprise -Ozal sought to build a Turkish economy that was pro-enterprise and pro-liberty, using Islam as the vehicle. Thus begat the era of the new Islamic Turkish revival - based on freedom and enterprise. Which was really just a continuation of the same Islamic ideals carried by the 'Young Ottomans' in the 19th and early 20th century, before militant secularists such as the 'Young Turks' took over.

In fact Ozal's, and later Erdogan's AKPs vision of Islam's role as an enabler of economic and personal freedoms, has a strong scholarly basis, through such works as the 'hadith project'.

But whats really funny here is for you to speak disparagingly of 'Turkish Islamism' in the context of liberty. What a joke - given the regard the Kemalists had and still have for Turkish people's liberties! Turks today enjoy far more freedom and democracy today under the 'Islamists' than they did under the anti-Islam secularists - and its precisely because of Islam.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #11 - Jun 30^th, 2016 at 2:12pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 2:07pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 29^th, 2016 at 1:14pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 29^th, 2016 at 12:45pm:

The West has many ailments, but Islam has cancer. They need to start cutting it out.

Turkey is proving remarkably successful at advancing a progressive, liberal-minded Islamic culture into their society.

It used to be. It reached its peak in secularism in the late 1970s. Religion emerged (again) in the early 1980s in an attempt to try to halt the violent fighting between the left and right. Since Erdogan came to power religion has become more and more prominent.

Misty you are drawing a false dichotomy here.

You are right that religion has become more prominent, but wrong to equate that with lack of liberty, or even 'liberal mindedness'. The great late President Turgut Ozal was a devout muslim, and also a believer in liberty and private enterprise. Whats important to note though, is that he actually saw the two as complimentary - as any muslim from the rationalist school will tell you. Through his notion of "the three freedom" - ideas, religion and enterprise -Ozal sought to build a Turkish economy that was pro-enterprise and pro-liberty, using Islam as the vehicle. Thus begat the era of the new Islamic Turkish revival - based on freedom and enterprise. Which was really just a continuation of the same Islamic ideals carried by the 'Young Ottomans' in the 19th and early 20th century, before militant secularists such as the 'Young Turks' took over.

In fact Ozal's, and later Erdogan's AKPs vision of Islam's role as an enabler of economic and personal freedoms, has a strong scholarly basis, through such works as the 'hadith project'.

But whats really funny here is for you to speak disparagingly of 'Turkish Islamism' in the context of liberty. What a joke - given the regard the Kemalists had and still have for Turkish people's liberties! Turks today enjoy far more freedom and democracy today under the 'Islamists' than they did under the anti-Islam secularists - and its precisely because of Islam.

Do gays get "liberty" under Islamic rulership? What about atheists and the many other minorities??

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Re: Istanbul airport bombing
Reply #12 - Jun 30^th, 2016 at 2:54pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 2:07pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 29^th, 2016 at 1:14pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 29^th, 2016 at 12:45pm:

The West has many ailments, but Islam has cancer. They need to start cutting it out.

Turkey is proving remarkably successful at advancing a progressive, liberal-minded Islamic culture into their society.

It used to be. It reached its peak in secularism in the late 1970s. Religion emerged (again) in the early 1980s in an attempt to try to halt the violent fighting between the left and right. Since Erdogan came to power religion has become more and more prominent.

Misty you are drawing a false dichotomy here.

You are right that religion has become more prominent, but wrong to equate that with lack of liberty, or even 'liberal mindedness'. The great late President Turgut Ozal was a devout muslim, and also a believer in liberty and private enterprise. Whats important to note though, is that he actually saw the two as complimentary - as any muslim from the rationalist school will tell you. Through his notion of "the three freedom" - ideas, religion and enterprise -Ozal sought to build a Turkish economy that was pro-enterprise and pro-liberty, using Islam as the vehicle. Thus begat the era of the new Islamic Turkish revival - based on freedom and enterprise. Which was really just a continuation of the same Islamic ideals carried by the 'Young Ottomans' in the 19th and early 20th century, before militant secularists such as the 'Young Turks' took over.

In fact Ozal's, and later Erdogan's AKPs vision of Islam's role as an enabler of economic and personal freedoms, has a strong scholarly basis, through such works as the 'hadith project'.

But whats really funny here is for you to speak disparagingly of 'Turkish Islamism' in the context of liberty. What a joke - given the regard the Kemalists had and still have for Turkish people's liberties! Turks today enjoy far more freedom and democracy today under the 'Islamists' than they did under the anti-Islam secularists - and its precisely because of Islam.

Just to be clear, you're arguing that Erdogan has used Islam to bring about liberty and freedom, and Turkey today is progressing towards being a nation with even more freedoms?

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Re: Istanbul airport bombing
Reply #13 - Jun 30^th, 2016 at 3:07pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 29^th, 2016 at 1:14pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 29^th, 2016 at 12:45pm:

The West has many ailments, but Islam has cancer. They need to start cutting it out.

Turkey is proving remarkably successful at advancing a progressive, liberal-minded Islamic culture into their society. I suspect thats why they are being targeted by Islamists.

I believe you know very well that Erdogan has been leading the country back into a state of saturation with Islam in all aspects of life.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Istanbul airport bombing Reply #14 - Jun 30^th, 2016 at 3:10pm Aussie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2016 at 7:01pm: What a loser this murdering idiot was always going to be. A LERT: IDIOT BLOWS HIMSELF UP. There's nothing to see except a flash. The question begs : why didn't the policeman shoot him dead while he was groping for the rip-cord?
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