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Jun 23rd, 2016 at 10:38am
 
Venezuela is suffering the worst economic crisis in its history. Ordinary people in the oil-rich country are regularly going without food. Three-quarter empty supermarkets are being ransacked by angry, hungry mobs. The government has declared a state of emergency, food is now being transported under armed guard, and basic necessities are being rationed. People have to queue for hours and sometimes overnight on their assigned days to receive staples like rice and cooking oil.
'We are like a bomb': food riots show Venezuela crisis has gone beyond politics

 
By IMF figures, it has the world’s worst negative growth rate (-8%), and the worst inflation rate (482%). The unemployment rate is 17% but is expected to climb to near 30% in the coming few years.

The shadow of hunger, the desperation of the crowds and the spread of unrest and criminality threaten the government of Nicolás Maduro, three years after he was bequeathed power by the dying revolutionary strongman, Hugo Chávez. The opposition has launched a drive to canvas signatures for a petition for him to step down. That will be a difficult task in the face of a state-run electoral system determined to thwart it, but the state may implode even if the recall referendum fails.

How did such an oil-rich state collapse so catastrophically?

The Maduro government has blamed the crisis on the US and rightwing business owners who it accuses of cutting production to sabotage the economy, but Maduro has inherited a ruinous state-run system from Chávez to which economists say he has added some damaging mistakes of his own. Chávez build his popularity on oil money and foreign debt, using both to fund consumption, while nationalising more than 1,200 private companies deemed not to be functioning in the public interest. But in 2015 the oil price was cut in half and Venezuela’s reckless public finances helped make it a high-risk debtor, cutting the country’s access to international capital.



The Maduro government has responded to the consequent hole in public finances by printing money, fuelling inflation. It’s estimated that the cost of basic groceries that would keep a family going through a week increased by more than 25% between March and April, and now costs 22 times the state minimum salary.
The state has tried to ration basic foodstuffs and set their prices, but the consequence is they have simply disappeared from the shops into the black market. The opposition says the direct distribution of food has been politicised by being channeled through local committees run by Maduro’s United Socialist Party of Venezuela.
According to Transparency International, Venezuela is the ninth most corrupt country in the world. Member’s of Maduro’s family and immediate entourage have been implicated in drug smuggling and hundreds of billions of dollars are believed to have been syphoned out of the economy.

The crisis is likely to get even worse in the near future.


The government has been running through the country’s gold reserves to pay its international debt service and finance at least some basic imports, but those reserves are now dwindling, and Maduro will either have to default or stop importing food. Both options are potentially catastrophic.


Will Maduro be brought down by the recall referendum?

The opposition have put high hopes in a referendum, and launched a signature drive in April but Venezuela’s National Electoral Council (CNE) has imposed a set of high hurdles for a petition to pass before the choice can be presented to the general population. Roughly 1.3 million people signed a petition for a recall vote – far more than the 200,000 required by law, but 600,000 of the signatures have already been rejected by the CNE, and people have been queueing for hours to validate the rest of the signatures by having their fingerprints scanned. Even if they are found to have passed the required threshold of 1% of voters, that just allows them to go forward to a second petition, in which opponents would have to amass close to 4 million votes to trigger a recall vote.
(Guardian)
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Reply #1 - Jun 23rd, 2016 at 10:39am
 
Elect socialists or quasi-socialists (ie "progressives") anywhere and the result is the same.
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Reply #2 - Jun 23rd, 2016 at 4:35pm
 
Nobody willing to leap to the defence of the socialists in Venezuela?
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Reply #3 - Jun 23rd, 2016 at 4:38pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 4:35pm:
Nobody willing to leap to the defence of the socialists in Venezuela?



marla must be offline.  Wink
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Reply #4 - Jun 23rd, 2016 at 4:46pm
 
Marla's always offline.

Hey babe, take a walk on the weed side.
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Reply #5 - Jun 27th, 2016 at 10:43am
 
This forum is full of socialists mainly. I think that is undeniable.
Why is it then that they have no comment to make on this example of the glorious sunshine which socialism offers to the world if only the idiots like me would realise it?

At the very least they should be here putting forward reasons for the abject failure: this was never true socialism perhaps; the US capitalists brought the collapse about; maybe the ignorant peasants of South America had not reached the stage of development to make it work.
Something . . .anything?
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Reply #6 - Jun 27th, 2016 at 10:47pm
 
There are failed Capitalist countries too, and Communist ones.  It's not hard to find failures.  The problem with Venezuela seems to be to me to be more a problem with humankind in general.  Socialism, or to take its more extreme form, Communism, requires everyone to work towards the common good.  Unfortunately humans are not like that.  It is more often a case of “what’s in it for me?”.  In the case of Venezuela a lot has gone wrong.  One of the major problems there has been corruption - that and outright incompetence.  Socialism has no chance in such an environment, hence the failure.  Venezuela needs a total change of government before it can recover.  The ruling elite needs to be removed from all spheres of influence before things can improve.  Whether this will happen remains to be seen.
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Reply #7 - Jun 28th, 2016 at 3:42am
 
Another boring Boey Boy bait and switch topic.
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Reply #8 - Jun 28th, 2016 at 9:11am
 
Marla, get your head out of the sand. Venezuela had every possible natural advantage, yet after socialist mismanagement, it is a total basket case. If it is the fault of US business interests, as the government claims, they should have seen it coming and had contingency plans. That is, if their system is so damn competent at organizing national interests.

I suppose the above point of view makes me another hippie.
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Reply #9 - Jun 28th, 2016 at 9:23am
 
I have already discussed this topic. Boey is just bored with himself.
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Reply #10 - Jun 28th, 2016 at 9:31am
 
Part of being a socialist requires one to not be able to see the bleeding obvious, socialism is more a religion, like islam, it requires faith not logic, and those having the most faith have the most to gain from that religion, take marlene for instance, in a socialist system she would most likely be put in charge of something as a reward for having faith and not because she is good at something, she doesn't support socialism because its good for everyone she supports socialism because it will be good for her and like the mad muslim she has a very hard time of convincing everyone else to convert because they don't have the faith and they will be cast out as unbelievers.
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Reply #11 - Jun 28th, 2016 at 10:27am
 
Marla wrote on Jun 28th, 2016 at 9:23am:
I have already discussed this topic. Boey is just bored with himself.


This is true but only momentarily.
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innocentbystander. wrote on Jun 28th, 2016 at 9:31am:
Part of being a socialist requires one to not be able to see the bleeding obvious, socialism is more a religion, like islam, it requires faith not logic, and those having the most faith have the most to gain from that religion, take marlene for instance, in a socialist system she would most likely be put in charge of something as a reward for having faith and not because she is good at something, she doesn't support socialism because its good for everyone she supports socialism because it will be good for her and like the mad muslim she has a very hard time of convincing everyone else to convert because they don't have the faith and they will be cast out as unbelievers.



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Reply #13 - Jun 28th, 2016 at 12:42pm
 
Marla wrote on Jun 28th, 2016 at 12:02pm:
innocentbystander. wrote on Jun 28th, 2016 at 9:31am:
Part of being a socialist requires one to not be able to see the bleeding obvious, socialism is more a religion, like islam, it requires faith not logic, and those having the most faith have the most to gain from that religion, take marlene for instance, in a socialist system she would most likely be put in charge of something as a reward for having faith and not because she is good at something, she doesn't support socialism because its good for everyone she supports socialism because it will be good for her and like the mad muslim she has a very hard time of convincing everyone else to convert because they don't have the faith and they will be cast out as unbelievers.



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Reply #14 - Jun 28th, 2016 at 7:52pm
 
It is good that Marla, the pedant, has arrived. Wink
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